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Turn7

23,500 posts

220 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Rea - lazy ? rofl

Dont forgot he rode Stoners bike for a couple of races and did ok on it....

TBH, I cant see him going to GP now as its much longer away from home - 20 odd races vs 17 plus loads more PR...

Big fish in small pond, hmmm, not sure..... JR is clearly fast, but his age is against him to to GP now, so why bother ?

Clearly enjoying winning in WSBK and earning so well, so why bother ?

No difference really twixt him in SBK and Shakey in BSB..

chunder27

2,309 posts

207 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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I don't mean lazy as in training etc or his dedication.

I simply mean it's too easy for him to sit in SBK and pick up easy money and wins. He is probbaly paid more than most MotoGP riders at Kawasaki.

he is utterly wasted in SBK just like Mladin was in AMA all those years ago.

He had a chance to move up to GP and preferred to just give up while still young on that goal and take the easy road. If it didnt work out after 2 or 3 years he is more than god enough to do what he is doing now in his later years.

Yes, his career has been tough up to then, but when you think where he could be now...

Such a waste

Turn7

23,500 posts

220 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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I dont think its waste by any means, more a case of the right package not being available at the the right time......

oilbethere

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908 posts

80 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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Rawwr said:
And in the last 10 years has won 7 more races than Rossi. Pedrosa's point scoring average in that period has been 14.31 per race, whereas Rossi's has been 14.15. Even if you push the stats back another year to include both of Rossi's championship winning seasons, that puts them on an equal amount of wins with 27 each.

Just for fun, Stoner has won 28 in the same period (4 years) and Marquez has won 38 (6 years) smile

He may not have won a championship but to hint that he doesn't deserve his seat is quite a leap.

Edited by Rawwr on Saturday 26th May 11:06
Yet he's failed to win a championship. The only bloke to win a race and look like he's lost a tenner and found a pound! I've warmed to him more over the years but other people have deserved his ride. Perfect number two though as he's added no pressure to the number 1 rider.

DuraAce

4,240 posts

159 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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oilbethere said:
Yet he's failed to win a championship. The only bloke to win a race and look like he's lost a tenner and found a pound! I've warmed to him more over the years but other people have deserved his ride. Perfect number two though as he's added no pressure to the number 1 rider.
He did win 3 lower class world titles though. 2nd in mgp 3 times (I think?), would've won at least one title if it weren't for bad luck/injury.

Who should be on the 2nd Repsol bike then?
(bearing in mind 93 wins everything as it is, he calls the shots in that team, no way would he allow 99/46 to come in for example IMHO.)
You can't have 2 hrc bikes on the top step of the podium, not sure what else the poor lad can do to be honest!

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Saturday 26th May 2018
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DuraAce said:
oilbethere said:
Yet he's failed to win a championship. The only bloke to win a race and look like he's lost a tenner and found a pound! I've warmed to him more over the years but other people have deserved his ride. Perfect number two though as he's added no pressure to the number 1 rider.
He did win 3 lower class world titles though. 2nd in mgp 3 times (I think?), would've won at least one title if it weren't for bad luck/injury.

Who should be on the 2nd Repsol bike then?
(bearing in mind 93 wins everything as it is, he calls the shots in that team, no way would he allow 99/46 to come in for example IMHO.)
You can't have 2 hrc bikes on the top step of the podium, not sure what else the poor lad can do to be honest!
Those dismissing Pedrosa are fools IMO, they miss the whole point of what a great rider he is, with the worst timing possible. If he’d been around at the right time a la Criville / KR JR, then he’d have at least one MotoGP title to his name. The amount of people calling for acrutchlow to get the Repsol baffles me, he’s won a couple of races amd has a far worse track record than Pedrosa over every season (I’ve not checked that but pretty certain it’s correct).

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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oilbethere said:
I've warmed to him more over the years but other people have deserved his ride.
Who, specifically?

oilbethere

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908 posts

80 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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DuraAce said:
He did win 3 lower class world titles though. 2nd in mgp 3 times (I think?), would've won at least one title if it weren't for bad luck/injury.

Who should be on the 2nd Repsol bike then?
(bearing in mind 93 wins everything as it is, he calls the shots in that team, no way would he allow 99/46 to come in for example IMHO.)
You can't have 2 hrc bikes on the top step of the podium, not sure what else the poor lad can do to be honest!
Win a title?

oilbethere

Original Poster:

908 posts

80 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Gavia said:
Those dismissing Pedrosa are fools IMO, they miss the whole point of what a great rider he is, with the worst timing possible. If he’d been around at the right time a la Criville / KR JR, then he’d have at least one MotoGP title to his name. The amount of people calling for acrutchlow to get the Repsol baffles me, he’s won a couple of races amd has a far worse track record than Pedrosa over every season (I’ve not checked that but pretty certain it’s correct).
You're missing the point. Pedrosa had been on a title winning bike for years, what has he won?

oilbethere

Original Poster:

908 posts

80 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Rawwr said:
Who, specifically?

Younger riders from Moto 2?
Look at the success of Tech3 mixing it and beating full factory teams. Honda have been more than happy Pedrosa but have put all their eggs in one basket.

If Marquez was out for the rest of the season would Pedrosa win it? Would he fk.

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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oilbethere said:
Rawwr said:
Who, specifically?

Younger riders from Moto 2?
Look at the success of Tech3 mixing it and beating full factory teams. Honda have been more than happy Pedrosa but have put all their eggs in one basket.

If Marquez was out for the rest of the season would Pedrosa win it? Would he fk.
Let's try that again...

Who, specifically?

chunder27

2,309 posts

207 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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The same old crap year on year. Tell me who would want that ride first? Zarco didnt and he as the main target. They didnt want Mir either, failed to take up his option. And Rins had the choice to go there and did not.

Only realy candidate is Morbidelli.

And he is eventually likely to be a Rossi man with Bagnaia.

So tell us with your wisdom, who you would put o a bike no-one really wants to ride!

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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egor110 said:
chunder27 said:
I have never been anything other than a supporter of Rins, I merely think Mir is a better bet, has adapted quicker to Moto2 than Rins did so might adapt to a GP bike quicker too, and I think on the whole has more championship potential.

No chance of Rea he is too lazy and unambitious. Should have been in GP years ago but preferred to take the easy money and races and stayed in the dead world of SBK to win endless series that no-one cares about anymore.

Even the teams that used to be in it!
How's rea lazy ?

His options we're only ever going to be some no home moto gp team and just make up the numbers or a decent wsbk team .

Why on earth would he go to gp to ride a slow bike at the back of the grid , he'd just become the next redding/smith
Totally.
Im not even British but imho Rea made the right choice, he has a family and he is successful at what he does, why spoil it?

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Rawwr said:
oilbethere said:
Pedrosa has only survived due to Repsol sponsorship.
And in the last 10 years has won 7 more races than Rossi. Pedrosa's point scoring average in that period has been 14.31 per race, whereas Rossi's has been 14.15. Even if you push the stats back another year to include both of Rossi's championship winning seasons, that puts them on an equal amount of wins with 27 each.

Just for fun, Stoner has won 28 in the same period (4 years) and Marquez has won 38 (6 years) smile

He may not have won a championship but to hint that he doesn't deserve his seat is quite a leap.

Edited by Rawwr on Saturday 26th May 11:06
Again, I agree. There are reasons Honda keeps Dani, it’s not some sponsorship money, you gotta be kidding even implying that.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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macdeb said:
I really don't get the Rea is lazy' thing at all. He was st on by Honda with the useless Fireblade for too long and gave him a couple of rides on Pedrosa's bike in MotoGP when Pedrosa broke again. IIRC he scored decent points both times, unlike many others who had had a similar opportunity. That was a waste of a MotoGP talent because of his passport. Oh and if he's lazy, how would you explain his total success in WSB once leaving Honda? I don't think anyone would agree it's easy money, it's dedication and pure skill.
Read Skill is Overrated. It’s hard work, lots of it. Funny to hear some nobody saying that Rea is lazy. :-D

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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chunder27 said:
I don't mean lazy as in training etc or his dedication.

I simply mean it's too easy for him to sit in SBK and pick up easy money and wins. He is probbaly paid more than most MotoGP riders at Kawasaki.

he is utterly wasted in SBK just like Mladin was in AMA all those years ago.

He had a chance to move up to GP and preferred to just give up while still young on that goal and take the easy road. If it didnt work out after 2 or 3 years he is more than god enough to do what he is doing now in his later years.

Yes, his career has been tough up to then, but when you think where he could be now...

Such a waste
Have you seen any Interviews with Rea?
Wasted....maybe, but he is smart and he makes fantastic career and makes a name for himself, and he provides for his family, which is more important than a title in MotoGP surely. I like Rea mindset a lot.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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DuraAce said:
oilbethere said:
Yet he's failed to win a championship. The only bloke to win a race and look like he's lost a tenner and found a pound! I've warmed to him more over the years but other people have deserved his ride. Perfect number two though as he's added no pressure to the number 1 rider.
He did win 3 lower class world titles though. 2nd in mgp 3 times (I think?), would've won at least one title if it weren't for bad luck/injury.

Who should be on the 2nd Repsol bike then?
(bearing in mind 93 wins everything as it is, he calls the shots in that team, no way would he allow 99/46 to come in for example IMHO.)
You can't have 2 hrc bikes on the top step of the podium, not sure what else the poor lad can do to be honest!
Exactly! Dani seems to be down to earth good guy, no tantrums, no bullst like some others, and just by pure luck did not win a championship, unfortunately. He apparently brings a lot to Honda for them to keep him for a decade. Very likeable man.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Gavia said:
DuraAce said:
oilbethere said:
Yet he's failed to win a championship. The only bloke to win a race and look like he's lost a tenner and found a pound! I've warmed to him more over the years but other people have deserved his ride. Perfect number two though as he's added no pressure to the number 1 rider.
He did win 3 lower class world titles though. 2nd in mgp 3 times (I think?), would've won at least one title if it weren't for bad luck/injury.

Who should be on the 2nd Repsol bike then?
(bearing in mind 93 wins everything as it is, he calls the shots in that team, no way would he allow 99/46 to come in for example IMHO.)
You can't have 2 hrc bikes on the top step of the podium, not sure what else the poor lad can do to be honest!
Those dismissing Pedrosa are fools IMO, they miss the whole point of what a great rider he is, with the worst timing possible. If he’d been around at the right time a la Criville / KR JR, then he’d have at least one MotoGP title to his name. The amount of people calling for acrutchlow to get the Repsol baffles me, he’s won a couple of races amd has a far worse track record than Pedrosa over every season (I’ve not checked that but pretty certain it’s correct).
Crutchlow makes 7 figures and talks a lot. As a rider in MotoGP he is just average, imho.

Turn7

23,500 posts

220 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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Ho Lee Kau said:
Crutchlow makes 7 figures and talks a lot. As a rider in MotoGP he is just average, imho.
So average HRC offered him a contract and take notice of his feedback....

rolleyes

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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oilbethere said:
Gavia said:
Those dismissing Pedrosa are fools IMO, they miss the whole point of what a great rider he is, with the worst timing possible. If he’d been around at the right time a la Criville / KR JR, then he’d have at least one MotoGP title to his name. The amount of people calling for acrutchlow to get the Repsol baffles me, he’s won a couple of races amd has a far worse track record than Pedrosa over every season (I’ve not checked that but pretty certain it’s correct).
You're missing the point. Pedrosa had been on a title winning bike for years, what has he won?
He’s been the Nearly Man for the whole of his MotoGP career, as there’s always been a rider who’s slightly better. However, every year, there can be only one winner of the title. Arguably what’s Rossi done, or Lorenzo, or Dovi. None of them have won much recently and all have / had arguably a title winning bike too