French police roadside ban for speeding

French police roadside ban for speeding

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Cbull

4,464 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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feef said:
I was working on an algorithm using data from openStreetMap that allowed me to plot a route between two points which was the most 'fun'. I based it on the geometry of curves on the roads, the speed limit and the lateral g-force generated when negotiating those curves at or below the limit. That way it would find the optimum route based on the quickest, twistiest route that you could take without exceeding the limit.

Of course, it's not the sort of thing anyone was interested in funding, so I've not done anything with the concept
Sell it to Google please smile

Lee540

1,586 posts

143 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Cbull said:
feef said:
I was working on an algorithm using data from openStreetMap that allowed me to plot a route between two points which was the most 'fun'. I based it on the geometry of curves on the roads, the speed limit and the lateral g-force generated when negotiating those curves at or below the limit. That way it would find the optimum route based on the quickest, twistiest route that you could take without exceeding the limit.

Of course, it's not the sort of thing anyone was interested in funding, so I've not done anything with the concept
Sell it to Google please smile
Bike Sat Nav already has this.. managed to set it on the BMW K1600 sat nav for our trip last year.

"The "winding road" function then shows you a longer route to your destination and in doing so takes the most beautiful connection between two points into consideration: the bends."

feef

5,206 posts

182 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Lee540 said:
Cbull said:
feef said:
I was working on an algorithm using data from openStreetMap that allowed me to plot a route between two points which was the most 'fun'. I based it on the geometry of curves on the roads, the speed limit and the lateral g-force generated when negotiating those curves at or below the limit. That way it would find the optimum route based on the quickest, twistiest route that you could take without exceeding the limit.

Of course, it's not the sort of thing anyone was interested in funding, so I've not done anything with the concept
Sell it to Google please smile
Bike Sat Nav already has this.. managed to set it on the BMW K1600 sat nav for our trip last year.

"The "winding road" function then shows you a longer route to your destination and in doing so takes the most beautiful connection between two points into consideration: the bends."
AIUI they don't take into account the speed limits, and just look for 'twisty' roads, a bit like what this guy does : http://roadcurvature.com/

I'd like to take that data a step further and find the ones that give the better driving or riding experience. For example, as a bike can use more of the road than a car, it can take a corner with the same radius at a higher speed than a car can (without crossing the white line), and so the speeds would vary depending on the vehicle... perhaps it's a little too detailed and granular for real-world usage, but as an exercise in data analysis, I found it quite interesting

Parisien

622 posts

161 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Andybow said:
Parisien said:
Apols for hijacking - I was in France last year, rented a car for a week, coming down the long steep N class road into Nice from the Monte Carlo side, enjoying the fabulous view, failed to notice the roadside camera and thought it flashed me and forgot about it, 5 months later this very official letter arrived requesting a pretty big penalty (was 30 over the limit, ie 80kph in a 50kph zone), which I've ignored so far. No follow up letter since.

So basically, wondering how much chasing up do they do, can they nab me if I take a car to France or rent a car or what other action have they been known they take?
Did you rent the car in France?
If so they will take the money straight from your credit card that you gave the hire company, I got 3 x 120euro fines in one journey in a fiat500 a few years ago!, they did excalty that to me after months and months
Yes, it was a French rental car, but suspect this was issued by a court and suitable fine attached to initial fine, so again, if this is in the legal system, can they chase up if I am stopped again or when I look to rent a car over there again? Nothing on credit card, its now 1 year later.

P

sjtscott

4,215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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aww999 said:
I just did 2min of research and it looks like Waze get around this by warning of 2-3km long "danger zones" rather than camera locations, which doesn't contravene the French law.

I am heading there for the first time (by car) this summer, it doesn't sound like there will be any opportunity to have fun! Is there anywhere in Europe left where you can enjoy a nice empty stretch of road without worrying about whatever ridiculous speed limit has been slapped on it?
In europe you'd probably still be able to fully enjoy yourself in certain more easterly countries. I'd suggest Greece would be one from personal experience smile
In terms of western europe you've got the unrestricted parts of the German Autobahn or the Isle of Man outside of the towns/villages and when the TT isn't on wink

vsonix

3,858 posts

162 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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feef said:
Lee540 said:
Cbull said:
feef said:
I was working on an algorithm using data from openStreetMap that allowed me to plot a route between two points which was the most 'fun'. I based it on the geometry of curves on the roads, the speed limit and the lateral g-force generated when negotiating those curves at or below the limit. That way it would find the optimum route based on the quickest, twistiest route that you could take without exceeding the limit.

Of course, it's not the sort of thing anyone was interested in funding, so I've not done anything with the concept
Sell it to Google please smile
Bike Sat Nav already has this.. managed to set it on the BMW K1600 sat nav for our trip last year.

"The "winding road" function then shows you a longer route to your destination and in doing so takes the most beautiful connection between two points into consideration: the bends."
AIUI they don't take into account the speed limits, and just look for 'twisty' roads, a bit like what this guy does : http://roadcurvature.com/

I'd like to take that data a step further and find the ones that give the better driving or riding experience. For example, as a bike can use more of the road than a car, it can take a corner with the same radius at a higher speed than a car can (without crossing the white line), and so the speeds would vary depending on the vehicle... perhaps it's a little too detailed and granular for real-world usage, but as an exercise in data analysis, I found it quite interesting
Pretty sure this would work well developed as a stand-alone app that feeds back into Waze or Google Maps and whatever other nav software API you could get your claws into. I'd pay two or three quid for a license as long as it was a one-off not a recurring subscription.


FocusRS3

3,411 posts

90 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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A993LAD said:
Currently biking home through France.

Got pulled over by cops and they took my wife's licence immediately. They let me off thankfully and made it clear they were doing me a favour.

But it did leave us stuck by the side of the road with 2 bikes, lots of luggage and only one rider.

Despite being slightly smug that I was clocked at a lower speed than the missus I'm now faced with the difficulty of getting back to UK and then returning for the second bike.

Bang to rights for exceeding the limits by a good margin although not dangerously so and the roads are so empty and flowing it's hard to resist. We were doing 130kph in a 90.

They took all our cash in fines too.

Can you imagine if UK cops started doing that to foreigners visiting Blighty.

Any tips on how to get the second bike back gratefully received.

I had to knock on a door in the village were we were stopped and ask a stranger to store it for me.

About 300 miles from calais

Had been a great 2000 mile trip until that point.

Been through France a few times without trouble so obviously a bit overconfident re speeding I guess.

My bad

But wife takes the rap.

Lol
Dreadful form fro the French Cops IMO.

The 'crime' is 24mph over the limit so a fine would have sufficed.

They know full well the ball ache they are now causing. It's not about the speed its about not liking the Brits and being assholes.

Best of luck

LetsTryAgain

2,904 posts

72 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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If we all stopped spending our money in their country they may change their attitudes towards us.

RogueTrooper

882 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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dc2rr07 said:
RogueTrooper said:
Funk said:
Ridiculous:

"With 3,469 killed on the roads last year, the government wants to cut speeding..."

Setting aside the assumption that speed was responsible for those deaths
OTOH.

It's double the number of deaths on UK roads.
No it’s not it is about half that figure for the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-...
I suppose I could have been clearer, but 1710 x 2 = 3420.

RogueTrooper

882 posts

170 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Funk said:
You missed the point, it's not about deaths.

Twenty times more people die from smoking than speeding each year in France; if it's about preventing deaths why haven't they banned that?

It is ALL about the money.
They haven't banned travel at legal speeds have they?

Zarco

17,702 posts

208 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Has the OP got the bike back yet?

Carmo99

1,308 posts

185 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Ho Lee Kau said:
I don't know if this applies to foreigners but for us living in Switzerland we have new rules since 2015, they are second part of the table.

Simple violations are still the same as before - Ordnungsbusse (can be anything up to 400 but not lower than 60CHF), 400CHF and 600CHF, plus administrative fees that can be up to 250 for bigger fines.

Gross violations are now much more expensive, not to mention that you lose the licence and pay administrative fees. The fines are income-related. 20 Tagessätze Geldstrafe means they take 20 days of your income from you. 75kmh on 30kmh road - you go to prison for a year or more.

Enjoy Switzerland! :-D
As a long term Swiss resident I have to say that in general it’s not so bad, UK seems to have a plague of speed cameras and how you guys keep your licenses is a miracle. My main annoyance is the location of the mobile cameras is rarely safety related i.e. outside schools, residential areas areas. They’re always just before a speed limit change when leaving a village or on long, flat, deserted country roads. As an example , I was caught last month doing 21kmph in a 20 zone - no pedestrians as was an industrial area. Had to pay 40 Francs.

On the other hand, I went to Italy last week over the Spügeln Pass and never saw one camera or police car in 300km and had a great ride.

A993LAD

Original Poster:

1,627 posts

220 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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Zarco said:
Has the OP got the bike back yet?
No not yet sadly but we only returned to the UK on Monday and I have been trying to sort something out.

Got a couple of quotes from van delivery people but nothing that can be done very quickly.

Meanwhile we have at least dispatched a bouquet of flowers to the lovely French pensioner that is housing the bike in her garage.

We also got a French friend to phone her and explain in more detail what had happened because she didn't speak any English and our French is very poor.

I'm not sure they want to house the bike for very long so I might have to get on the Eurostar to Paris and then another train out to the bike and ride the bloody thing home again.

What an unnecessary ball ache which is costing me a fortune and completely ruining what could have been quite a good holiday.

Meanwhile my wife has become quite the minor celebrity amongst her friends and acquaintances once she posted on Facebook that she been banned for speeding on her motorbike.




cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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This time of year I think I would take a long weekend and go back with a friend as pillion and then ride back together, making sure you do your best to massacre the limits on the way.

CAPP0

19,532 posts

202 months

Wednesday 23rd May 2018
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A993LAD said:
Zarco said:
Has the OP got the bike back yet?
No not yet sadly but we only returned to the UK on Monday and I have been trying to sort something out.

Got a couple of quotes from van delivery people but nothing that can be done very quickly.

Meanwhile we have at least dispatched a bouquet of flowers to the lovely French pensioner that is housing the bike in her garage.

We also got a French friend to phone her and explain in more detail what had happened because she didn't speak any English and our French is very poor.

I'm not sure they want to house the bike for very long so I might have to get on the Eurostar to Paris and then another train out to the bike and ride the bloody thing home again.

What an unnecessary ball ache which is costing me a fortune and completely ruining what could have been quite a good holiday.

Meanwhile my wife has become quite the minor celebrity amongst her friends and acquaintances once she posted on Facebook that she been banned for speeding on her motorbike.
I know of someone who does a fortnightly run from Malaga to the UK in a large van, and he often transports bikes. He has an affiliation with a British guy out there who runs a bike tour company who I know well. I don't know where he is in the fortnightly schedule, whether he'd be prepared to detour out that far, or how much he would charge, but can ask if it helps. Possibly not if the French oldie doesn't want the bike there too long. PM me if of any use.

poo at Paul's

14,116 posts

174 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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sjtscott said:
In europe you'd probably still be able to fully enjoy yourself in certain more easterly countries. I'd suggest Greece would be one from personal experience smile
In terms of western europe you've got the unrestricted parts of the German Autobahn or the Isle of Man outside of the towns/villages and when the TT isn't on wink
The trouble with Gleeece is.............

croyde

22,701 posts

229 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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If I was a good mate of yours with time on my hands I would be happy to get the bike back for you for the cost of the train fare.

Sounds like a nice break. Love a mission.

Any friends like that?

NDA

21,488 posts

224 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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aww999 said:
Is there anywhere in Europe left where you can enjoy a nice empty stretch of road without worrying about whatever ridiculous speed limit has been slapped on it?
I'd like to know the answer to this too - Spain? Italy?

I fancy a trip to the continent at some point and quite like the odd 100mph spurt when safe to do so - but not if it's going to ruin a holiday.

LetsTryAgain

2,904 posts

72 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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The U.K...!

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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LetsTryAgain said:
The U.K...!
Two pronged attack here.
If a camera doesn't catch you then a crater in the road stands a decent chance of stopping you.

The roads are so bad around here that I avoid riding roads I don't know well in the dark now. How ludicrous is that?
I get angry thinking about it.