Red bull and Honda

Red bull and Honda

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turbomoped

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4,180 posts

82 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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Again Max went from near the back to battling the leader with his renault engine.
Meanwhile the bullred honda was doing its usual bumping around the back job but
apparently its better than renaults effort.
The current love in with the honda lump seems to be driver by the fear that f1 nearly lost
their contribution to the show (money)
Deiter redbull know he wont be beating mercedes and ferrari in the next few years so why waste hundreds of millions paying renault.
Dummies at mclaren should have accepted this and got on with their 10 year program with honda.

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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You're insane

Composite Guru

2,205 posts

202 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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Muzzer79 said:
You're insane
I agree. Red Bull want to win again. Better off working with an engine manufacturer that wants to help out too.

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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It's hard to argue with the ramblings of a lunatic but I'll have a go. The Toro Rosso isn't anywhere near as good a car as the Red Bull is aero or chassis wise, it hasn't been since they had to build their own rather than have 4 of the same car over 2 teams.

You could put any engine in the back of that Red Bull it'd still finish behind the Mercedes and Ferrari, stick a Mercedes engine in the back of it and it wouldn't be long before Mercedes left after having a customer team wipe the floor with them on a weekly basis.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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[quote=DanielSan]
You could put any engine in the back of that Red Bull it'd still finish behind the Mercedes and Ferrari[quote]

Really?

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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HustleRussell]anielSan said:
You could put any engine in the back of that Red Bull it'd still finish behind the Mercedes and Ferrari[quote]

Really?
Is it lack of a sense of humour or just the need to argue on the internet to keep yourself occupied?

Lucas Ayde

3,541 posts

167 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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Unless Honda make a massive leap it's unlikely that RB will be contenders next year. Aside from anything else, adapting to the new engine is bound to introduce issues. They will be happy to be third again as the risk is that they could slip back down the field. Look to the season after next as to when it is likely to come together.

Hopefully Honda will become competitive - it would be good to have four potentially race winning engines.

SmoothCriminal

5,047 posts

198 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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Redbull are not "contenders" now either.

They get a few lucky results when ferrari and mercedes make tactical errors or have mechanicals.

Why be a customer and have a same old same old approach. Renault have had since the inception of the hybrid formula to make a competitive engine and they haven't managed to.

Redbull will be a Honda factory team with all the support that brings.

Can bet the redbulls will still be finishing ahead of the ph messiah teeth at renault next year.


turbomoped

Original Poster:

4,180 posts

82 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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New rules next year will limit some of redbulls traditional chassis advantages plus Ric in a renault with a brand new engine concept means I expect Renault to be ahead of the exploding redbulls as often as not.
Still there was that mystery honda result in bahrain...



HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2018
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DanielSan said:
HustleRussell said:
DanielSan said:
You could put any engine in the back of that Red Bull it'd still finish behind the Mercedes and Ferrari
Really?
Is it lack of a sense of humour or just the need to argue on the internet to keep yourself occupied?
Well that’s the definition of irony.

Some Gump

12,671 posts

185 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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Gaz. said:
DanielSan said:
You could put any engine in the back of that Red Bull it'd still finish behind the Mercedes and Ferrari, stick a Mercedes engine in the back of it and it wouldn't be long before Mercedes left after having a customer team wipe the floor with them on a weekly basis.
Or more likely the RedBull will catch fire/melt/overheat like it already does with a physically smaller engine while Merc, Force India and Williams run like clockwork and Whinger Spice accuses Mercedes of supplying it duff engines while Maurizio breathes a sigh of relief that it's not them.
We've already seen McLaren fall over because their arrogance led them to believe that being quick in the corners and slowest on the straights was purely down to their amazing chassis and a terrible engine partner.

Red bull (back in the day) had the fastest car that had slow straight line speed because they ran a lot of downforce and a lot of drag. they prioritised aero over the cooling requirements of the kers. Or even running kers in the first place. They've always done that. Hell, Newey has always done that. The thing is, Newey was only part dedicated to the cars of recent years, and his exhaust blowing genius was killed by regs. It will be interesting to see if Red Bull's arrogance is deserved next year - like McLaren it may wellcome about that their corner to straight speed ratio isn't just explained by the engine...

2fast748

1,091 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th October 2018
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turbomoped said:
Still there was that mystery honda result in bahrain...
Care to elaborate?

turbomoped

Original Poster:

4,180 posts

82 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Renault wins again in dominant fashion.
Honda lump (better than the renault according to red bull) 2 laps down this time.

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Torro Rosso Honda are always around 2s off pole in qualifying this year, it even went up to 2.3s in Japan and 2.6s in the USA then both 2.1s off in Mexico with their new engine. The Red Bull chassis will need to be 2 seconds a lap better than the Torro Rosso, is it?

Europa Jon

554 posts

122 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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I'm not an expert, but: if I owned 2 F1 teams and one was a consistent front-runner, I'd make sure the B-team's car was as similar as it could be.
We all know that Red Bull have fallen out with their current PU supplier so of course they're going to big-up Honda, hoping for more luck than the boys from Woking.

isaldiri

18,412 posts

167 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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Lucas Ayde said:
Hopefully Honda will become competitive - it would be good to have four potentially race winning engines.
If Honda somehow are competitive it'll still mean only 3 potentially race winning engines. The Renault engine in the works team or Mclaren hasn't exactly looked a race winning engine has it?

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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isaldiri said:
Lucas Ayde said:
Hopefully Honda will become competitive - it would be good to have four potentially race winning engines.
If Honda somehow are competitive it'll still mean only 3 potentially race winning engines. The Renault engine in the works team or Mclaren hasn't exactly looked a race winning engine has it?
The 'Renault engine in the works team or McLaren' isn't going to be used next year.

The new one may be better. Or not.




DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Tuesday 30th October 2018
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turbomoped said:
Renault wins again in dominant fashion.
Honda lump (better than the renault according to red bull) 2 laps down this time.
And one Mercedes was a lap down, the world champion was 2 seconds away from being a lap down. Does that mean that the Renault engine is now the best engine in F1?

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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DanielSan said:
turbomoped said:
Renault wins again in dominant fashion.
Honda lump (better than the renault according to red bull) 2 laps down this time.
And one Mercedes was a lap down, the world champion was 2 seconds away from being a lap down. Does that mean that the Renault engine is now the best engine in F1?
I think the Mercs had turned everything down and where saving tyres. Doesn’t mean much really.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 31st October 2018
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Exige77 said:
DanielSan said:
turbomoped said:
Renault wins again in dominant fashion.
Honda lump (better than the renault according to red bull) 2 laps down this time.
And one Mercedes was a lap down, the world champion was 2 seconds away from being a lap down. Does that mean that the Renault engine is now the best engine in F1?
............Doesn’t mean much really.
I think that that was what Daniel was implying.