2019 BMW S1000RR
Discussion
Looks awesome. Definitely getting one at the end of next year when the initial bugs have been ironed out and all the race parts are available.
Walter Sobchak said:
I’m interested to see what the front looks like, I’m sure it will be a very capable bike.
Is the R1 changing much for next year?.
Dunno how accurate it is but I saw this render a while backIs the R1 changing much for next year?.
Walter Sobchak said:
I think that looks good.
I’m sure BMW won’t have made any mistakes, if were being honest every S1000RR since it came out has been hard to fault.
I thought Yamaha wouldn’t with the R1 but look at the gearboxes. Since I’ll be using it as a race bike it’s better to leave it until all the bolt on parts are developed too. I’m sure BMW won’t have made any mistakes, if were being honest every S1000RR since it came out has been hard to fault.
George29 said:
I thought Yamaha wouldn’t with the R1 but look at the gearboxes. Since I’ll be using it as a race bike it’s better to leave it until all the bolt on parts are developed too.
That’s true, every new bike seems to have some teething problems as I’ve very much learned first hand with my Panigale V4!.2019 should be a very interesting year for superbikes, with this and if rumours are true a much more potent Fireblade coming too.
Do you race an R1 at the moment?, the S1000 RR and ZX10R seem to be the most popular when I’ve gone to watch my friend race.
I always wonder why there are not more R1s as I’ve thought they’re meant to be pretty competitive.
Do BMW and Kawasaki offer better incentives/prices?.
Walter Sobchak said:
George29 said:
I thought Yamaha wouldn’t with the R1 but look at the gearboxes. Since I’ll be using it as a race bike it’s better to leave it until all the bolt on parts are developed too.
That’s true, every new bike seems to have some teething problems as I’ve very much learned first hand with my Panigale V4!.2019 should be a very interesting year for superbikes, with this and if rumours are true a much more potent Fireblade coming too.
Do you race an R1 at the moment?, the S1000 RR and ZX10R seem to be the most popular when I’ve gone to watch my friend race.
I always wonder why there are not more R1s as I’ve thought they’re meant to be pretty competitive.
Do BMW and Kawasaki offer better incentives/prices?.
BMW do a racer support deal whereby you can buy the raw bike, but the new one's still going to be £16k +VAT, so £19,200
You get a certain amount fo support (not much at a club level) and it gives you better access to the crate engines, which as George knows, are not cheap.
If you know the dealers well, you can always get a good discount on a race bike that's not road registered for most brands, but there's not many club racers in the UK that buy brand new bikes and convert them as it's still expensive to source all the parts.
I've raced ZX10R's for a couple of seasons now, and I'll stick with the brand as I've got a good relationship with MSS, who look after my bike.
I looked at swapping to an R1 this summer as I can get a really good price on a brand new unregistered one, but you still need to add another £10-15k on getting it up to spec, and then there's all the other bits and bobs I'd have to start from scratch with (I have 4 sets of 2016 ZX10R wheels, and 2 spare sets of bodywork/tank for example)
I suspect the new BMW will be a properly good bike, so there'll be a few riders with good financial backing on them next year, but very few at Club level.
Like George said above, you're better off waiting a year or so for the all the parts to be more readily available, and any issues with a brand new bike to be ironed out by someone else.
I suspect the bike to have next year for the really well off racer is going to be the new Panigale V4R
graeme4130 said:
It's a real mix of bikes at most UK races. I'd say ZX10R's are the most popular, followed by R1's, GSXR's and the BMW's
BMW do a racer support deal whereby you can buy the raw bike, but the new one's still going to be £16k +VAT, so £19,200
You get a certain amount fo support (not much at a club level) and it gives you better access to the crate engines, which as George knows, are not cheap.
If you know the dealers well, you can always get a good discount on a race bike that's not road registered for most brands, but there's not many club racers in the UK that buy brand new bikes and convert them as it's still expensive to source all the parts.
I've raced ZX10R's for a couple of seasons now, and I'll stick with the brand as I've got a good relationship with MSS, who look after my bike.
I looked at swapping to an R1 this summer as I can get a really good price on a brand new unregistered one, but you still need to add another £10-15k on getting it up to spec, and then there's all the other bits and bobs I'd have to start from scratch with (I have 4 sets of 2016 ZX10R wheels, and 2 spare sets of bodywork/tank for example)
I suspect the new BMW will be a properly good bike, so there'll be a few riders with good financial backing on them next year, but very few at Club level.
Like George said above, you're better off waiting a year or so for the all the parts to be more readily available, and any issues with a brand new bike to be ironed out by someone else.
I suspect the bike to have next year for the really well off racer is going to be the new Panigale V4R
Yeah I guess it just comes down to what works best for you, and racing is so eye wateringly expensive as it is that I bet you want to get the best value you can.BMW do a racer support deal whereby you can buy the raw bike, but the new one's still going to be £16k +VAT, so £19,200
You get a certain amount fo support (not much at a club level) and it gives you better access to the crate engines, which as George knows, are not cheap.
If you know the dealers well, you can always get a good discount on a race bike that's not road registered for most brands, but there's not many club racers in the UK that buy brand new bikes and convert them as it's still expensive to source all the parts.
I've raced ZX10R's for a couple of seasons now, and I'll stick with the brand as I've got a good relationship with MSS, who look after my bike.
I looked at swapping to an R1 this summer as I can get a really good price on a brand new unregistered one, but you still need to add another £10-15k on getting it up to spec, and then there's all the other bits and bobs I'd have to start from scratch with (I have 4 sets of 2016 ZX10R wheels, and 2 spare sets of bodywork/tank for example)
I suspect the new BMW will be a properly good bike, so there'll be a few riders with good financial backing on them next year, but very few at Club level.
Like George said above, you're better off waiting a year or so for the all the parts to be more readily available, and any issues with a brand new bike to be ironed out by someone else.
I suspect the bike to have next year for the really well off racer is going to be the new Panigale V4R
The ZX10R must be a great package overall.
Parts availability and cost must be a huge factor too, I remember seeing a couple of RSV4s in the 1000 class and asked my friend why there weren’t more of them around and he basically said, great bike but parts availability and cost put people off, which is a fair point, I had to wait nearly 4 months for a new swing arm and rear whelp when I had mine, given how much more often race bikes tend to get dropped, doing that on one could knock you out for the season.
If the normal Panigale is anything to go by then the R is going to be amazing, I hope they go to a normal V4 firing order though, you’d have to have VERY deep pockets to race one though.
Walter Sobchak said:
Yeah I guess it just comes down to what works best for you, and racing is so eye wateringly expensive as it is that I bet you want to get the best value you can.
The ZX10R must be a great package overall.
Parts availability and cost must be a huge factor too, I remember seeing a couple of RSV4s in the 1000 class and asked my friend why there weren’t more of them around and he basically said, great bike but parts availability and cost put people off, which is a fair point, I had to wait nearly 4 months for a new swing arm and rear whelp when I had mine, given how much more often race bikes tend to get dropped, doing that on one could knock you out for the season.
If the normal Panigale is anything to go by then the R is going to be amazing, I hope they go to a normal V4 firing order though, you’d have to have VERY deep pockets to race one though.
Yeah, you'd have to be very brave to race an RSV4. You do see them occasionally, but like you say, if you break it or crash it, you might be waiting months to have parts available, whereas on my ZX10R, I can source pretty much anything in a few days, and there's a real variety of stuff out there and people with knowledge on them.The ZX10R must be a great package overall.
Parts availability and cost must be a huge factor too, I remember seeing a couple of RSV4s in the 1000 class and asked my friend why there weren’t more of them around and he basically said, great bike but parts availability and cost put people off, which is a fair point, I had to wait nearly 4 months for a new swing arm and rear whelp when I had mine, given how much more often race bikes tend to get dropped, doing that on one could knock you out for the season.
If the normal Panigale is anything to go by then the R is going to be amazing, I hope they go to a normal V4 firing order though, you’d have to have VERY deep pockets to race one though.
I've heard from a reliable source that the new V4R is going to be a monster race bike for those that are lucky enough to be racing one in BSB/WSBK next year. I'd hate to think how much it'd cost to race one at a club level as the standard bike is likely to be circa £40k.
I worked for Ducati a couple of months ago at their DRE days, and the Italian engineer told me it's basically built as an all out race bike with minor tweaks for the road, whereas the 1199R was made as a super fast road bike with an intention for racing
Either way, you could make a ZX10R, R1, GSXR or BMW that's way more bike than myself or most club racers could handle anyway
Ho Lee Kau said:
Dakkon said:
Bikesalot said:
Im at EICMA next week - will be interesting to see the real deal.
Take some proper picturesDakkon said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Dakkon said:
Bikesalot said:
Im at EICMA next week - will be interesting to see the real deal.
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