Production of the Suzuki Hayabusa has ended after 20 years

[black-k1]

graylag said:

black-k1 said:

graylag said:

black-k1 said:

Out of curiosity, how many 'Busas, ZZR1400s, Blackbirds or K1300Ss have you owned?

None.

Thought so!

TheCommuter said:

Interesting

And how many modern 2015 onwards litre bikes have you guys owned or ridden?

My points are just as valid as yours. Anyway, the olive branch clearly didn’t work, you’ve either chosen not to read it, or just dismissed it.

I've ridden an S1000RR and a Fireblade, both within the last 18 months,

Your "olive branch" was nothing more than a bunch of ill informed opinion with nothing to back that up, so I dismissed it.

[graylag]

black-k1 said:

I've ridden an S1000RR and a Fireblade, both within the last 18 months,

Your "olive branch" was nothing more than a bunch of ill informed opinion with nothing to back that up, so I dismissed it.

And the poster just before you has a completely different opinion.

[TheCommuter]

Olive twig rescinded

Edited by TheCommuter on Friday 14th December 15:56

Edited by TheCommuter on Monday 17th December 08:21

[seveb]

graylag said:

By far the majority of people who bought them did so for the bragging rights of having the fastest production bike and I’m sure it was great having those bragging rights.

You've admitted you've never ridden one and now you 're also just talking nonsense, rubbish and you're out !

[graylag]

seveb said:

You've admitted you've never ridden one and now you 're also just talking nonsense, rubbish and you're out !

Take a tip from your friend above about what a forum is about.

You’re seriously saying that a bike that was designed and built purely to claim the title of fastest production bike wasn’t bought by people who wanted those bragging rights. Okay.

You don’t have to have ridden a bike to have an opinion on it, just as you don’t have to have experienced something to have an opinion on it.

I’ve written down my full opinion and don’t really see what’s wrong with that, unless this place like Twitter is just an echo chamber.

Edited by graylag on Friday 14th December 18:22

[seveb]

graylag said:

seveb said:

You've admitted you've never ridden one and now you 're also just talking nonsense, rubbish and you're out !

Take a tip from your friend above about what a forum is about.

You’re seriously saying that a bike that was designed and built purely to claim the title of fastest production bike wasn’t bought by people who wanted those bragging rights. Okay.

You don’t have to have ridden a bike to have an opinion on it, just as you don’t have to have experienced something to have an opinion on it.

I’ve written down my full opinion and don’t really see what’s wrong with that, unless this place like Twitter is just an echo chamber.

Edited by graylag on Friday 14th December 18:22

So you think a restaurant critic doesn't need to sample the food in a restaurant before passing judgement ? How about a car reviewer, should he just stand next to a car and look it up and down before declaring it poor ? Or a Travel writer, how about slagging off Barbados as being just for the wealthy who turn their noses up at Benidorm without actually going to Barbados and experiencing the real thing ?

Your opinion on a bike is worthless if you've never ridden one - why would anybody here take anything you say seriously ? As I said, you're out

[graylag]

seveb said:

So you think a restaurant critic doesn't need to sample the food in a restaurant before passing judgement ? How about a car reviewer, should he just stand next to a car and look it up and down before declaring it poor ? Or a Travel writer, how about slagging off Barbados as being just for the wealthy who turn their noses up at Benidorm without actually going to Barbados and experiencing the real thing ?

Your opinion on a bike is worthless if you've never ridden one - why would anybody here take anything you say seriously ? As I said, you're out

Duff comparison is duff. None of us is a professional reviewer of anything, if we were then that opinion may hold more sway, but even then it’s rarely definitive.

To continue your duff comparisons though. Do you have to have your arm chopped off to know it hurts? Do I have to jump off a skyscraper to know it’s going to kill me? Do I need to give birth to know it’ll hurt? Do I need to have to live in Syria to know it’s probably not the best place to live currently? Does someone have to have done a trackday with FE to be able to slag them off (hint, not many have on here, but it doesn’t stop them slating it)? Do I have to have raced in MotoGP to pass comment in any of the MotoGP threads? Or the WSB ones? Or the BSB ones? Those threads are usually quite busy, guess we must have a lot of top level racers on here. WhT about the Ducati V4 thread, nobody has ridden that yet? Or the S1000RR thread?

I think it’s fairly clear that I’m in.

Edited by graylag on Friday 14th December 20:09

[Speed addicted]

graylag said:

Take a tip from your friend above about what a forum is about.

You’re seriously saying that a bike that was designed and built purely to claim the title of fastest production bike wasn’t bought by people who wanted those bragging rights. Okay.

You don’t have to have ridden a bike to have an opinion on it, just as you don’t have to have experienced something to have an opinion on it.

I’ve written down my full opinion and don’t really see what’s wrong with that, unless this place like Twitter is just an echo chamber.

Edited by graylag on Friday 14th December 18:22

All litre plus bikes are hugely fast, to the point that most of their capabilaties are useless if you want to ride legally on the road.
Are they all just for bragging rights?

I’ve ridden a Hayabusa, for me it was far more relevant than superbikes.
I fit better (6’2” and not slightly built), I like the torque and effective fairings.
I simply don’t fit on modern superbikes for more than about 40 mins.

Which bit of other people liking things you don’t can’t you understand?
I have no interest in track riding but do enjoy crossing continents at speed with luggage.

Oh no! It’s not the fastest bike in the world anymore!
It’s still fking epic.

And yes you do kinda need to ride motorbikes to see if you like them.
It’s not the same as having your arm chopped off (are you high right now?), you’ve spent the last few pages attacking a bike you’ve never ridden because of qualities you’ve never experienced.

Edited by Speed addicted on Friday 14th December 20:23

[Biker's Nemesis]

black-k1 said:

Your "olive branch" was nothing more than a bunch of ill informed opinion with nothing to back that up, so I dismissed it.

I like that, its akin to a slap in the face from a silk glove.

That'll teach the scoundrel.

[Zarco]

graylag is r1loon/Gavia and I claim my £5

[graylag]

Speed addicted said:

graylag said:

Take a tip from your friend above about what a forum is about.

You’re seriously saying that a bike that was designed and built purely to claim the title of fastest production bike wasn’t bought by people who wanted those bragging rights. Okay.

You don’t have to have ridden a bike to have an opinion on it, just as you don’t have to have experienced something to have an opinion on it.

I’ve written down my full opinion and don’t really see what’s wrong with that, unless this place like Twitter is just an echo chamber.

Edited by graylag on Friday 14th December 18:22

All litre plus bikes are hugely fast, to the point that most of their capabilaties are useless if you want to ride legally on the road.
Are they all just for bragging rights?

I’ve ridden a Hayabusa, for me it was far more relevant than superbikes.
I fit better (6’2” and not slightly built), I like the torque and effective fairings.
I simply don’t fit on modern superbikes for more than about 40 mins.

Which bit of other people liking things you don’t can’t you understand?
I have no interest in track riding but do enjoy crossing continents at speed with luggage.

Oh no! It’s not the fastest bike in the world anymore!
It’s still fking epic.

I haven’t said there’s anything wrong with liking it, in fact I’m pretty certain I said there’s nothing wrong with being a fan of it. My opinion, and that’s what it’s been all along, but it seems to rile quite a few, is that its time has passed and that’s it really. The rest has been to either justify my stance, or correct a few myths along the way.

For example, I’m not saying that modern superbikes are better than the Hayabusa in every respect. What I’ve said is that if speed and speed alone is your thing then a modern litre bike is far more relevant. If touring is your thing then there are many options out there, many of which will sit all day at 150+. The claims of hyper speeds whilst cruising are IMO fanciful, the idea that you sit on any bike and do 186mph for anything more than a few minutes is highly unlikely. It’s exhausting and traffic no matter where you are in the world will soon put a stop to it, as will road conditions and our survival instinct.

What I’m being is pragmatic. The old tech on an old bike has no place in a modern world, but guess what in a few years you’re probably going to get a new model and until then you can continue to buy second hand ones, which most seem to anyway judging by the dates of ownership compared to age of bike.

[Crapaud]

I'm very lucky to own 12 bikes which comprise all different types including a BMW GS, a Harley Ultra, MV Augusta F4, a couple of Fireblades and various off roaders. Pride of place is my 1999 Hayabusa.

All of the possible weak links have been addressed. The front forks have been upgraded to much newer ones from a gsxr1000 to allow much better brakes. The calipers are now APE Racing and are as good as anything and work perfectly.
The bike has been lightened with extensive use of carbon fibre bits.
Engine has been "derestricted" by means of new titanium cod rods, special pistons etc and a very neat hidden turbo. It makes 350 bhp at rear wheel and I've recorded 211.547 mph at Elvington in July. Should have gone much faster but it was still wheel spinning at 211 mph. Back wheel was spinning at over 230 mph.
Only fault with the bike is that rear tyre wear is somewhat excessive.

[Zarco]

Crapaud said:

I'm very lucky to own 12 bikes which comprise all different types including a BMW GS, a Harley Ultra, MV Augusta F4, a couple of Fireblades and various off roaders. Pride of place is my 1999 Hayabusa.

All of the possible weak links have been addressed. The front forks have been upgraded to much newer ones from a gsxr1000 to allow much better brakes. The calipers are now APE Racing and are as good as anything and work perfectly.
The bike has been lightened with extensive use of carbon fibre bits.
Engine has been "derestricted" by means of new titanium cod rods, special pistons etc and a very neat hidden turbo. It makes 350 bhp at rear wheel and I've recorded 211.547 mph at Elvington in July. Should have gone much faster but it was still wheel spinning at 211 mph. Back wheel was spinning at over 230 mph.
Only fault with the bike is that rear tyre wear is somewhat excessive.

Something a bit fishy about this post.

[Crapaud]

Zarco said:

Something a bit fishy about this post.

Fishy??? Sorry, don't understand. I have photos of bike and photos of timing ticket. I ride the bike on the road but it is too fast for normal road use.

[black-k1]

Biker's Nemesis said:

black-k1 said:

Your "olive branch" was nothing more than a bunch of ill informed opinion with nothing to back that up, so I dismissed it.

I like that, its akin to a slap in the face from a silk glove.

That'll teach the scoundrel.

I shall demand satisfaction and state pistols at dawn. I ask if you, sir, will be my second?

[Shadow R1]

black-k1 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

black-k1 said:

Your "olive branch" was nothing more than a bunch of ill informed opinion with nothing to back that up, so I dismissed it.

I like that, its akin to a slap in the face from a silk glove.

That'll teach the scoundrel.

I shall demand satisfaction and state pistols at dawn. I ask if you, sir, will be my second?

[wa16]

graylag said:

Then buy a second hand one, or a pre reg one or an S1000XR or a Z1000SX or that sort of bike, which will muller it. As great a story as it is, nobody does much of 150 for very long on a loaded up bike and even if you did the fuel consumption would make the trip slower than doing it at 150

Edited by graylag on Friday 14th December 13:43

no have another, please



posting as some one who put 40, 000 on a z1000sx and now has a ZZR with 65 thou on, i think you mean the other way around

i'd have had a busa, i actually sit in a busa but i sit on a zzr - but the colours were just poor, had they been in gixxa blue i'd have had one with a yoshi pipe and saved about £3000, i'd have had a k1300, power with shaft drive but they were like hens teeth as they stopped being made - my wife would like that, no chain oil on the carpet, kitchen, dining room, kids shoes etc

as for market forces driving the demise - look at bmw they create markets i don't think its all demand driven by punters look at their car division, does the public really demand some of the cars they make? no they create the desire through advertising/marketing making you think you need one - (2 series tourer who the fk demanded that in a focus group) and its the same with bikes, they create the desire sidelined some models kept few halo models then we all think we need them to live the lifestyle

[myvision]

I'd like to add a Hayabusa or a Blackbird to the collection.

[Zarco]

Crapaud said:

Zarco said:

Something a bit fishy about this post.

Fishy??? Sorry, don't understand. I have photos of bike and photos of timing ticket. I ride the bike on the road but it is too fast for normal road use.

Twas the titanium cod rods.

[Turn7]

I never got to ride a Busa, but did have a great run out on a 'Bird. At that time, I was more than happy to declare the 'Bird as the best and fastest bike Id ever ridden...

I still stand by that now, BUT I hated the linked brake thing.

'Bird was lighter and sweeter handling, and even better looking than the 'Busa, it just didnt quite carry the street cred well enough to win.....