Am really Scared!!

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w8pmc

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3,345 posts

238 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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poo at Paul's said:
I reckon you'll be dead by Thursday...laugh
I'd best stay off the bike until at least Friday thensmile

epom

11,513 posts

161 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Ya know what OP, there are worse places to be. You have an amazing bike, you also sound like you have some sense. Do what suits you, when it suits you and enjoy.

JS2808

194 posts

85 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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w8pmc said:
however in the one season i lost 4 riding buddies through accidents that were not their fault & with the impending arrival on my son i decided motorbikes were no longer my thing (this was about 15yrs ago).

Thanks in advance.
bloody hell, that's awful. Just when I thought I wanted a bike!!

T70RPM

476 posts

236 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Pick a nice dry day and ride it sensibly. Although an earlier generation, a new Fireblade was my first ever bike after passing my test three days before on a GS500. Had several years of good motorcycling on that and the ZX9R that followed it. Now I have a Hinckley Bonneville and I too am quite aware of my mortality. I don't think it's the bike, it's the gap without biking, and the busier roads we have now. I reckon you'd feel the same trepidation on a smaller bike.

knitware

1,473 posts

193 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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JS2808 said:
bloody hell, that's awful. Just when I thought I wanted a bike!!
That does seem a particuarly poor image, however i think they are one of the best looking spostbikes currently for sale.


dukeboy749r

2,620 posts

210 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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I am sure someone has offered this as sage advice

Why not see if someone from here, or someone you know and trust (!), is available to come over to you and lead you on a ride?

They go first, you go first, that sort of thing.

You can have someone with more confidence and experience stay behind you for a goodly portion of a ride, so that they can help at junctions etc?

w8pmc

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3,345 posts

238 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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knitware said:
That does seem a particuarly poor image, however i think they are one of the best looking spostbikes currently for sale.

I think that post referred to the image of me losing 4 (motorcycle) friends in one season which that & the impending arrival of my Son lead me to turn my back on motorcycling. Although the photo i posted of my new Blade was taken in my dimly lit garage early evening after the bike was delivered, i don't think the image referred to was the photo of my Blade.

Edit to add yours is a far better quality picture & looks a beautiful bike.

If you don't mind me asking, how much was the Akro as it looks stunning?

knitware

1,473 posts

193 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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w8pmc said:
I think that post referred to the image of me losing 4 (motorcycle) friends in one season which that & the impending arrival of my Son lead me to turn my back on motorcycling. Although the photo i posted of my new Blade was taken in my dimly lit garage early evening after the bike was delivered, i don't think the image referred to was the photo of my Blade.

Edit to add yours is a far better quality picture & looks a beautiful bike.

If you don't mind me asking, how much was the Akro as it looks stunning?
Ah, sorry, I re-read his post, yes I think he means the loss of friends rather than the bike picture. When I had my daughter, nearly 8 years ago I sold the bike, I also stopped drinking and smoking, bought a bigger house, moved south near a good school, saved money, increased my pensions and gave myself so much stress I bought another bike. It's a wonderful and a beautifully selfish thing to do, and excellent for the mind.

The bike is a BSB edition, and although the stickers look good I bought it because the BSB edition included the Akropovic, screen and hugger. The Akroapovic is around £1000 + and you need the carbon hanger, £120 ish. There is a GP style slip on, they look good, around £700. It sounds amazing, lovely and deep but on a cruise it's quite quiet.

black-k1

11,923 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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You’re only scared because of the pressure and expectations you are putting on yourself. Sure there are risks associated with riding a bike and those risks do increase a little when you’re on a new bike (unfamiliar with the bike) and when you’ve been off the road for a while (unfamiliar with road craft). However, these risks are completely manageable or else we’d never have had a single “born again” biker.

Set yourself some targets but make them simple and straight forward. To ride a 10 mile, half hour route from home. To ride to a favourite location. To ride through town. Etc.

Do these on your own, in your own time, at your own pace. If a ride doesn’t go well, don’t count the target as achieved and try again.

If you set yourself half a dozen such targets and tick them off one-by-one, you’ll start to relax and enjoy the ride as you’ll then have the recent experience you are worried you currently don’t have. You’ll also have familiarity with the bike.

Once that is done, book yourself on some advanced road training to find out how things should be done properly. You may well already be doing things properly but the benefit of having that reinforced will further add to your biking enjoyment.

graeme4130

3,828 posts

181 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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Hey Paul.
I remember now who you are from the RS4 Forums. Surely it can't be as scary as coming around Donnington with me in my B8 about 4 years back, right ? smile
Seriously though, as people have alluded to in this thread, the bike can be as scary or as tame as you make it, but there's nothing you can do about the types of drivers you get on the road, and that's always the big uncertainty
The track is the best place to explore what the bike can do, and build your confidence in it for when you are riding on the road
I'm working at Silverstone now as a Bike Track instructor and in the race school, so if you want to come and see me when the season starts, I can build you into it gently and we can get closer to the limits in a somewhat safer environment. We see a lot of riders that are scared of the bike, and the possible consequences on the road, and the environment of a controlled circuit is a great way to relax as you can focus purely on the task at hand

w8pmc

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3,345 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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graeme4130 said:
Hey Paul.
I remember now who you are from the RS4 Forums. Surely it can't be as scary as coming around Donnington with me in my B8 about 4 years back, right ? smile
Seriously though, as people have alluded to in this thread, the bike can be as scary or as tame as you make it, but there's nothing you can do about the types of drivers you get on the road, and that's always the big uncertainty
The track is the best place to explore what the bike can do, and build your confidence in it for when you are riding on the road
I'm working at Silverstone now as a Bike Track instructor and in the race school, so if you want to come and see me when the season starts, I can build you into it gently and we can get closer to the limits in a somewhat safer environment. We see a lot of riders that are scared of the bike, and the possible consequences on the road, and the environment of a controlled circuit is a great way to relax as you can focus purely on the task at hand
Hi Graeme & yes i'm one & the samesmile Was a good run in your B8 & i guess i must have been in the F10 M5? Downgraded to a Golf R now & that's considerably quicker on track, more fun & consumables about 1/3rd of the cost.

I've no interest in ever doing track days on a motorbike, much prefer that activity in the car, however can see significant value for training purposes. Do you do Rider training rather than a race school as it's my bike control & confidence i want to work on, not the ability to get round a track quickly (if that makes sense?)

w8pmc

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3,345 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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black-k1 said:
You’re only scared because of the pressure and expectations you are putting on yourself. Sure there are risks associated with riding a bike and those risks do increase a little when you’re on a new bike (unfamiliar with the bike) and when you’ve been off the road for a while (unfamiliar with road craft). However, these risks are completely manageable or else we’d never have had a single “born again” biker.

Set yourself some targets but make them simple and straight forward. To ride a 10 mile, half hour route from home. To ride to a favourite location. To ride through town. Etc.

Do these on your own, in your own time, at your own pace. If a ride doesn’t go well, don’t count the target as achieved and try again.

If you set yourself half a dozen such targets and tick them off one-by-one, you’ll start to relax and enjoy the ride as you’ll then have the recent experience you are worried you currently don’t have. You’ll also have familiarity with the bike.

Once that is done, book yourself on some advanced road training to find out how things should be done properly. You may well already be doing things properly but the benefit of having that reinforced will further add to your biking enjoyment.
That's a really good call. Spoke with an ex IAM & Advanced Police Motorcycle Instructor last night who runs a local school fairly local to me (RIDECraft) that covers all aspects of training from CBT through to Direct Access & Advanced Rider training. He gave me some good pointers & would be happy to do 1:1 for a day or 2 with my specific needs in mind. I want to cover a few miles beforehand so don't arrive at school totally wet behind the ears & i'd like to scrub these shiny tyres off a little before hitting the car park for assessment.

Speed addicted

5,574 posts

227 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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w8pmc said:
with the impending arrival on my son i decided motorbikes were no longer my thing (this was about 15yrs ago).
Pushed over the edge by teenagers?laugh

I'm a fairly confident rider, and have taken a few of the guys I've worked with out for runs when they were new to bikes. It makes a big difference having someone there to give constructive criticism rather than constantly wondering if you're doing it right or could be doing things better.

Obviously you have experience of fast bikes, but need the skills to be brought back up. I'd spend a bit of time on your own getting used to the bike, then get some advanced lessons (not necessarily IAM type) to get your confidence boosted.

I think the biggest thing is to accept that it'll take a while to get used to it again, take your time and enjoy the experience.

w8pmc

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3,345 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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Speed addicted said:
Pushed over the edge by teenagers?laugh

I'm a fairly confident rider, and have taken a few of the guys I've worked with out for runs when they were new to bikes. It makes a big difference having someone there to give constructive criticism rather than constantly wondering if you're doing it right or could be doing things better.

Obviously you have experience of fast bikes, but need the skills to be brought back up. I'd spend a bit of time on your own getting used to the bike, then get some advanced lessons (not necessarily IAM type) to get your confidence boosted.

I think the biggest thing is to accept that it'll take a while to get used to it again, take your time and enjoy the experience.
It's a good point, but having been out of the loop, i don't have any riding buddies to start hooking up with for rides & being of a certain age, not sure i'd want to present my out of date skills to a group of competent riders just yet. The training would be 1:1 at my own pace & centred on what I need based on an initial assessment.

My first few miles are probably best completed on my own on familiar roads & that should give my confidence the start it requires to then progress.

knitware

1,473 posts

193 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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graeme4130 said:
Hey Paul.
I remember now who you are from the RS4 Forums. Surely it can't be as scary as coming around Donnington with me in my B8 about 4 years back, right ? smile
Seriously though, as people have alluded to in this thread, the bike can be as scary or as tame as you make it, but there's nothing you can do about the types of drivers you get on the road, and that's always the big uncertainty
The track is the best place to explore what the bike can do, and build your confidence in it for when you are riding on the road
I'm working at Silverstone now as a Bike Track instructor and in the race school, so if you want to come and see me when the season starts, I can build you into it gently and we can get closer to the limits in a somewhat safer environment. We see a lot of riders that are scared of the bike, and the possible consequences on the road, and the environment of a controlled circuit is a great way to relax as you can focus purely on the task at hand
I think I had a masterclass session with you last September? I was on a BMW rr. I'll vouch for Silverstone, it's a huge track and is a good place to get some safe experiance.

graeme4130

3,828 posts

181 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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w8pmc said:
graeme4130 said:
Hey Paul.
I remember now who you are from the RS4 Forums. Surely it can't be as scary as coming around Donnington with me in my B8 about 4 years back, right ? smile
Seriously though, as people have alluded to in this thread, the bike can be as scary or as tame as you make it, but there's nothing you can do about the types of drivers you get on the road, and that's always the big uncertainty
The track is the best place to explore what the bike can do, and build your confidence in it for when you are riding on the road
I'm working at Silverstone now as a Bike Track instructor and in the race school, so if you want to come and see me when the season starts, I can build you into it gently and we can get closer to the limits in a somewhat safer environment. We see a lot of riders that are scared of the bike, and the possible consequences on the road, and the environment of a controlled circuit is a great way to relax as you can focus purely on the task at hand
Hi Graeme & yes i'm one & the samesmile Was a good run in your B8 & i guess i must have been in the F10 M5? Downgraded to a Golf R now & that's considerably quicker on track, more fun & consumables about 1/3rd of the cost.

I've no interest in ever doing track days on a motorbike, much prefer that activity in the car, however can see significant value for training purposes. Do you do Rider training rather than a race school as it's my bike control & confidence i want to work on, not the ability to get round a track quickly (if that makes sense?)
Yeah, you had the M5 at the time. If I remember correctly, your brake pads lasted about 2 sessions and were cooked smile
It's track training we do at Silverstone as it typically runs during a general track day, rather than any road stuff. Although a couple of the other instructors do have road schools for everything from CBT's right through the advanced road training stuff and the IAM beige trouser brigade smile I can put you in touch with them if you prefer that route.
Getting around a track quickly is fully the result of confidence and bike control though, so the two things go hand in hand.
We get a lot of people that come through us that just want to learn how to ride a bike properly in the safer environment of the track solely with the purpose of being a better road rider. I will say though, that a big percentage of them get addicted to the track and come back time and time again. It's a slippery slope
Once you've ridden a fast bike around a race track, anything but the very fastest car will somewhat slow and mundane though, and it's a dangerous game trying to exploit a quick bike on the roads.
I don't ride on the road at all any more out of choice, and only do so when we get involved in helping out at launches or things like Ducati's DRE

w8pmc

Original Poster:

3,345 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2019
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graeme4130 said:
Yeah, you had the M5 at the time. If I remember correctly, your brake pads lasted about 2 sessions and were cooked smile
It's track training we do at Silverstone as it typically runs during a general track day, rather than any road stuff. Although a couple of the other instructors do have road schools for everything from CBT's right through the advanced road training stuff and the IAM beige trouser brigade smile I can put you in touch with them if you prefer that route.
Getting around a track quickly is fully the result of confidence and bike control though, so the two things go hand in hand.
We get a lot of people that come through us that just want to learn how to ride a bike properly in the safer environment of the track solely with the purpose of being a better road rider. I will say though, that a big percentage of them get addicted to the track and come back time and time again. It's a slippery slope
Once you've ridden a fast bike around a race track, anything but the very fastest car will somewhat slow and mundane though, and it's a dangerous game trying to exploit a quick bike on the roads.
I don't ride on the road at all any more out of choice, and only do so when we get involved in helping out at launches or things like Ducati's DRE
It's a fair point, but i can't see me in a situation for quite some time where i'd even approach 'pushing' on the road & on track one would tend to be a little braver than perhaps they should. The few 'moments' i've had in a car on track haven't hurt in the slightest, the same wouldn't apply had i been on 2 wheels. Track days on a bike have never appealed to me, however training on a circuit does make sense.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

224 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2019
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Firstly enjoy the new bike!, I really like Fireblades, have had a couple myself including the most infamous model on this forum tongue out they’re very easy to ride which is part of the attraction.
I came very close to buying the same bike, in some ways I wish I did now as mine is due another substantial list of recalls!..
Take your time to get used to it and enjoy it, unfortunately you’ve picked the worst time of year to get used to riding one!.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Walter Sobchak said:
Firstly enjoy the new bike!, I really like Fireblades, have had a couple myself including the most infamous model on this forum tongue out they’re very easy to ride which is part of the attraction.
I came very close to buying the same bike, in some ways I wish I did now as mine is due another substantial list of recalls!..
Take your time to get used to it and enjoy it, unfortunately you’ve picked the worst time of year to get used to riding one!.
I see you have a Landcruiser and a an Aprilia V4 APRC... I'm curious, does the overall reliability experience balance out?

I mean it must be like like owning a tank a two stroke racebike. biglaugh


Ryan-nunm9

207 posts

71 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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w8pmc said:
In a moment of madness before Xmas (also had a hangover & was in a bad mood) i decided to acquire a brand new Fireblade as the deal on offer (popped up on my FaceAche feed) appeared too good to be true & for a few months i'd been mulling over a return to motorcycling.

To put some context around this snap decision, i had crossers when i was 17 on the old Provisional license & then as i grew up my interest switched to 4 wheels. Around 24yrs ago i decided i fancied the idea of 2 wheels again so took my bike test (consisted back then of CBT & test) on a Yam SR125 & after passing my test jumped onto an FZR600R. At this point i was hooked & within 12mths upgraded to a YZF750 & then onto a ZX12R which i had for around 4yrs.

Now unfortunately as a keen biker i let's say started getting a little brave on my bike & was taking the odd risk (nothing major but i did enjoy pushing on), however in the one season i lost 4 riding buddies through accidents that were not their fault & with the impending arrival on my son i decided motorbikes were no longer my thing (this was about 15yrs ago). Since then i've hired a few bikes on foreign holidays, the last of which was a Harley in Vegas around 9yrs ago, but since then have never sat on a motorbike, let alone ridden one.

Since then & up to say last Autumn i've had next to no interest in returning to motorbikes & satisfy my 'racing demon' with car track days, this was in whatever was my daily driver at the time, but a few years ago we bought a track prep'd Clio 172 Cup for track action. The Clio was sold last year & i reverted to using my daily driver which is a Golf R Estate, with many let's say enhancements.

So back to now, the Blade was delivered last Saturday & i sat for hours just staring at the bike in awe of how she looked. I started her up a couple of times & again was in awe of how technology & styling have moved on since i had my ZX12R. But & it's a big BUT, i find myself as per the thread title stting myself at the very thought of riding her. I realise now isn't the best time of the year to be on any motorbike, so am happy to just admire her until the weather improves, but i can't see this apparent fear just vanishing anytime soon & thus how will i go about taking that first ride on her when the weather's agreeable?

I'm looking at getting some Rider training on an equivalent machine & have already reached out to Rapid Training & am awaiting their release of training dates, but right now the thought of even riding this bike to the training venue/track puts the fear of God into me. Am appreciative that a level of fear whilst riding really isn't a bad thing, but i'm afraid my level of fear would make riding this bike unpleasant or even possibly dangerous.

Reaching out to those far more accomplished on this Forum to see if any golden nuggets exist from those in the know as to how i overcome this fear?

Thanks in advance.
W8pmc,

What a great bike, congratulations!!

I instruct for Rapid Training and have dates booked in this year already. Get back in touch (it'll be Gary who replies) with some dates that you're available and he will get a local instructor booked in. I don't know the northerners very well so not sure which one you'd get, I'm more Oxford way sorry. You wont go far wrong on a Rapid day (biased in know) but the day will be all about you if you book 1:1, saying that if you know of anyone who'd be of a similar standard then 1:2 ratio is really good as you'll gain alot from watching the other rider and listening in to the debrief of his/her ride.

I had a chap book 1:1 with me the end of summer last year, not been on a bike for 35 years and bought a Triump Street Triple 765. The standard of his riding increased 10 fold, he'd done around 300 miles before the training day and banged out about anouther 130 miles around Wiltshire that day. Safe and smooth into and through the bends as well as more confident in putting the power down out of the corners. You'll even get a written report highlighting the the training points from the day as well as some tips for areas you can improve on going forward.

As others have said, I'd recomend getting out on it and getting some miles in. Just keep it smooth and you'll be fine, it'll all come flooding back to you. It is after all, like riding a bike!!

Congratulations once again,

Ryan