No spark from plugs

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CrankyCraig

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69 posts

72 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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I'd observed that my 1999 SV650 doesn't like the rain very much when a couple of times after a heavy downpour it would idle poorly for the first minute after starting. This time though, after leaving it unused and exposed to the elements for a month, it would't even start. I tried bump starting it by rolling it down the long, steep hill by my house, only to arrive stationary at the bottom. In the pouring rain. On a Monday morning. Pushing it back up it very nearly finished me.

A further 2 weeks followed before I forgave it enough to even be able to look at it, so with my limited mechanical knowledge, began troubleshooting. I pulled the plugs and noticed there was no spark from either of them, so replaced them with new plugs only to find, somewhat predictably, there was still no spark. Recognising that my bike knowledge had been exhausted, here I am to re-stock.

So, what possible reasons are there that there would be no spark from the plugs?




Pope

2,638 posts

247 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Remove any bodywork and locate the wiring harness connectors; disconnect them and check the pins/sockets for corrosion or water ingress - Suzuki harnesses rarely have sealed connections and once water has made its way in or you use the bike year round a quick check/clean and grease will usually have you back up and running

patchb

948 posts

114 months

Saturday 19th January 2019
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Never owned an SV however I’m sure I’ve read before that the forward cylinder is prone to water ingress into the plug/ht lead so this is more than likely the issue. Give it a google

theshrew

6,008 posts

184 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Don’t mean to be a dick but You say you have limited knowledge but yet the plugs don’t spark. Are you sure how you are testing is correct ?

Sounds silly but it’s worth checking first

CrankyCraig

Original Poster:

69 posts

72 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Limited knowledge, not no knowledge. laugh

Limited to knowing that when the starter motor is pressed (assuming sufficient battery voltage, ignition on, kill switch not engaged, etc) that with the spark plug removed and the HT lead attached, a spark should be visible. Yet, it quite clearly isn't sparking, and that's where my knowledge ends.

The bike is left out in all weathers with electrical connectors hanging loose all over the place, so an electrical short due to water ingress is a strong possibility. I was just expecting it to be more resilient to a life outdoors.

Front drainage hole was my starting point, although I thought this would be more likely to cause a failure of 1 plug, not both. Neverthless, the channel was clear, and there was very little corrosion around the plug on removing it. I'd hoped it would be that simple too, but sadly not.

Edited by CrankyCraig on Sunday 20th January 02:02

Rubin215

3,988 posts

156 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Remember as well that the plug body needs to be grounded against the bike when you're doing the test.
Sounds stupid, but I've seen more than one person complaining of a dead plug as it swings merrily in fresh air at the end of a plug lead...

crofty1984

15,851 posts

204 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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I'll assume you missed out the "and the spark plug body grounded to the bike" on purpose. 😀

I'm going on old bikes here, but you could connect the terminals of the coil directly to a battery and tap the positive on and off the battery terminal. If you get a spark, you know there's nothing wrong with that end of it. Or maybe that doesn't work on anything built after 1975.

Benni

3,514 posts

211 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Does the bike have some sort of "safety kill switch" located in the sidestand area (to prevent bikes being started while side stand is out)

or the clutch lever (preventing a start-in-gear-and-lurch-forward situation) ?

Sometimes these switches go defect and just cut the ignition out.

bimsb6

8,040 posts

221 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Also check the kill switch on the right hand switchgear isn’t waterlogged .

CrankyCraig

Original Poster:

69 posts

72 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Yes, the plug was grounded. I tried it in a couple of locations just in case, and nothing. Wasn't brave enough to test it on my tongue though, but I'll stick a meter on it and see what I get.

Seems really daft now, but after 2 months of not using it I can't remember whether the clutch has to be pulled in to start the bike. I always do, and strapped it in to test it, but I can't remember whether it's necessary. The side stand cuts the engine if it's deployed and put into gear.

I've drained (but not yet replaced) the fuel, and some of the crap that I found in the tank could definitely help to explain the rough running, but I'm trying not to think about the carbs at the moment.

Fortunately, it's now drying in a heated garage, so the new plan is to check it periodically while working my way through the electrical components and weather proofing them. Not sure what other options I have.


curlie467

7,650 posts

201 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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Was the sidestand down when trying it?

Benni

3,514 posts

211 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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To make sure it´s none of the safety switches you have to test their function with a multimeter,

some are openers and some are closers, make sure they act as intended if the stand/clutch are in the GO position,

before you dig deeper into the ignition/wiring system.

CrankyCraig

Original Poster:

69 posts

72 months

Sunday 20th January 2019
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The stand was down when I tested it, but assuming it's functioning normally I wouldn't expect that to be the issue - the bike used to start with the stand down. That doesn't mean it wasn't acting up though.

I've got a meter, and a starting point. Thanks to all for the advice so far.

BuzzBravado

2,944 posts

171 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Are you getting lights on the cluster? A common issue on SV's is a burnt out connector. Google "SV green connector issue". See if those symptoms match up with what you see.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Monday 21st January 2019
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Don't put your finger in the HT lead to test for a spark. I did this when I was about 14 as it was "only a little spark" and my previous electrical experience was testing PP3 batteries with my tongue.

I won't make that mistake again silly