Question about exploiting sportsbike performance
Discussion
Fastdruid said:
I think that's a V4 thing. Both the VFR and RVF are the same. The VFR is horrifically hot in town. You can feel the heat from the rear cylinders through the seat and the radiator fan blows hot directly at your legs when stationary. The RVF you get that plus of course the exhaust runs just behind the right footpeg.
It’s so long since I’ve ridden an RVF I honestly can’t remember what it was like in town now, the Aprilia wasn’t the best for heat but the Ducati is in another league when riding in town, if you’re wearing jeans not leathers it will feel like your legs are burning while waiting at lights.Prof Prolapse said:
moto_traxport said:
I think it’s pigs that can’t look up.
Whilst in the disagreeable frame of mind, what’s wrong with The Quantocks anyway? It’s bugged me since you mentioned it on another thread awhile back.
Do I need a "whoosh parrot"? "Quantocks"? As in the moors in Englandshire? I'm not aware of having any strong opinions about them....Whilst in the disagreeable frame of mind, what’s wrong with The Quantocks anyway? It’s bugged me since you mentioned it on another thread awhile back.
Prof Prolapse said:
Although obviously it's a f
king dump compared to the delights of the fking UK. I mean we've got the likes of, Hull, Swansea, Slough, and Dundee, and the fking Quantocks, how could the country that birthed the renaissance really fking compete with our collapsed former industrial towns, composed entirely of people with an over compensated sense of entitlement because their great grandad died somewhere in a war most don't even know the dates of.
From errrrr last year, sorry!king dump compared to the delights of the fking UK. I mean we've got the likes of, Hull, Swansea, Slough, and Dundee, and the fking Quantocks, how could the country that birthed the renaissance really fking compete with our collapsed former industrial towns, composed entirely of people with an over compensated sense of entitlement because their great grandad died somewhere in a war most don't even know the dates of.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Edited by moto_traxport on Monday 19th August 17:53
Grindle said:
My B King 1340 has 172 bhp on the dyno sheet at the back wheel after mild modifications and no i can't extend the thing too often on the road. It's nice having plenty of go in any gear though and the occasional blast does happen, shouldn't happen and always will happen.
Blimey that must be quite 'entertaining' when you get a lick onI think my Tuono is around 155-156 at the rear wheel and isn't shy when you open it up
Birky_41 said:
Grindle said:
My B King 1340 has 172 bhp on the dyno sheet at the back wheel after mild modifications and no i can't extend the thing too often on the road. It's nice having plenty of go in any gear though and the occasional blast does happen, shouldn't happen and always will happen.
Blimey that must be quite 'entertaining' when you get a lick onI think my Tuono is around 155-156 at the rear wheel and isn't shy when you open it up
Having said that the B King is still silly fast and owes me bang on £5,000 including the mods so it's incredible value when you think people are paying £16,000 for a GSXR1000 or Fireblade now.
Jazoli said:
You might not legally be able to use all the performance of a modern sportsbike on the road but you can certainly exploit it, I do think they are crushingly competent on the road though and one of the reasons I haven't got one, I have more fun thrashing (honestly) the arse off my Z1000SX trying to keep up with or ahead of friends on new sportsbikes, I can safely say I use all of its 140bhp some of the time, whereas there is no way they are able to use all 200bhp for anything more than a few seconds, on a normal A or B road the amount of power available is not the limiting factor though, not everyone exploits all the power but just to be able to open the throttle and dispense 200bhp to the rear tyre is exhilarating and enough for most.
But to answer your question PP, in my experience you'll find the bikes limits and they will frustrate after a while.
k all, around 200kgs, and similar to most other sportsbikes.
Take a modern 1000cc sportsbike, say, GSXR1000R. It has, according to dyno run by Visordown, about 176bhp at about 13000rpm.But to answer your question PP, in my experience you'll find the bikes limits and they will frustrate after a while.
Sebastian Tombs said:
Bikes are more fun when they are light and flickable. The Triumph could wheelspin in 3 gears, more if wet, but weighed a bloody ton. I never saw this mentioned in any reviews so I must conclude that all litre bikes weigh a ton.
Litre sportsbikes weigh fk all, around 200kgs, and similar to most other sportsbikes.Edited by Jazoli on Friday 16th August 17:56
Modern sportsbikes also have long gearing.
Now, you tell me your friends can extract 200bhp (that would be Aprilia RSV4 1100 or V4 Ducati top power) for a few seconds?
On track then, or on "private road"?
Because on public road there is NO WAY they can extract that power for a few seconds, unless they jump off the limiter in first gear doing 100mph and risking their licence.
Noone can utilize all the performance of a modern sportsbike on a public road, not even Birky_41.
Even the old bikes, like the venerable 954 Fireblade with 150 Pferdestärke would go way beyond speed limit at the full power.
One can surely enjoy the modern liter bikes on the road, I really liked the latest S1000RR M, for example, because of the lightness, comfort and well programmed throttle response, but it was unequivocally underused on the road.
Maybe on a stretch of unrestricted German Autobahn can one squeeze the juice out of a modern litersportsbike, not on UK public roads for sure.
Birky_41 said:
Grindle said:
My B King 1340 has 172 bhp on the dyno sheet at the back wheel after mild modifications and no i can't extend the thing too often on the road. It's nice having plenty of go in any gear though and the occasional blast does happen, shouldn't happen and always will happen.
Blimey that must be quite 'entertaining' when you get a lick onI think my Tuono is around 155-156 at the rear wheel and isn't shy when you open it up
I am not an expert or smart-ass but I would say it is the torque that matters on the roads and your Tuono 1100 has way more torque than GSXR1000 at low/mid rpms.
I just can't imagine how you keep yourself in check with all that Tuono torque on public roads, you must be going in 4th gear at 3-4000rpm all the time, that is if you mind your driving license.
I loved the Speed Triple RS, but it felt so strong that I would have to be very lazy with its gears and rpms. I loved it much more than Street RS I tried back-to-back with the Speed, but now I think Street RS is much better for the streets, requires a bit more work to make it go, yes, slower on straights, but 25kg lighter.
Overall I’d agree with you and think there are a lot of people who are massively deluded when it comes to their riding ability. However, plenty of people can extract all of the power of a bike for short bursts on the road. There is a big road network outside the South East, a lot of which is pretty much empty with little to no chance of encountering any law enforcement.
Ho Lee Kau said:
How about your GSXR1000, Birky, it has even more bhp at the rear wheel, did you try it on the road before you relegated it to the track duties exclusively?
I am not an expert or smart-ass but I would say it is the torque that matters on the roads and your Tuono 1100 has way more torque than GSXR1000 at low/mid rpms.
I just can't imagine how you keep yourself in check with all that Tuono torque on public roads, you must be going in 4th gear at 3-4000rpm all the time, that is if you mind your driving license.
I loved the Speed Triple RS, but it felt so strong that I would have to be very lazy with its gears and rpms. I loved it much more than Street RS I tried back-to-back with the Speed, but now I think Street RS is much better for the streets, requires a bit more work to make it go, yes, slower on straights, but 25kg lighter.
I think my GSXR 'claims 117.6nm' really randon number and my Tuono is '121nm'. The aprilia is all about mid to top where as the the gsxr I think partly due to gearing is definitely at its best high up in the revs when the Tuono feels like its running out of puff. I am not an expert or smart-ass but I would say it is the torque that matters on the roads and your Tuono 1100 has way more torque than GSXR1000 at low/mid rpms.
I just can't imagine how you keep yourself in check with all that Tuono torque on public roads, you must be going in 4th gear at 3-4000rpm all the time, that is if you mind your driving license.
I loved the Speed Triple RS, but it felt so strong that I would have to be very lazy with its gears and rpms. I loved it much more than Street RS I tried back-to-back with the Speed, but now I think Street RS is much better for the streets, requires a bit more work to make it go, yes, slower on straights, but 25kg lighter.
I did circa 700ish miles on the GSXR on road. As you can imagine its quite nippy when you pin it through the first few gears
I’ve done a fair few miles on R1’s on the road this year leading dealer groups for work, and it’s pretty rare you get anywhere near full throttle as the revs rise. Even on the dual carriageways, it really only is a second or two at most as you can very easily and suddenly be doing 130mph
anonymous said:
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It’s not “daft”, it was a question, I am not UK based. Besides, I did not state “it can only be used”, I stated that most of the time that is how they are used on public roads.To your third paragraph, I agree to a certain degree, 1000 is more relaxing on public road as one can be lazy with gear choice and just torque-cruise around.
Ho Lee Kau said:
How about your GSXR1000, Birky, it has even more bhp at the rear wheel, did you try it on the road before you relegated it to the track duties exclusively?
I am not an expert or smart-ass but I would say it is the torque that matters on the roads and your Tuono 1100 has way more torque than GSXR1000 at low/mid rpms.
I just can't imagine how you keep yourself in check with all that Tuono torque on public roads, you must be going in 4th gear at 3-4000rpm all the time, that is if you mind your driving license.
I loved the Speed Triple RS, but it felt so strong that I would have to be very lazy with its gears and rpms. I loved it much more than Street RS I tried back-to-back with the Speed, but now I think Street RS is much better for the streets, requires a bit more work to make it go, yes, slower on straights, but 25kg lighter.
I ended up riding more of a loon on the 765 as it’s far more peaky. The Tuono just has stacks of go in the midrange. The 765 was good but dropping gears like an old two stroke got a bit old, as did trying to hang onto mates with 1000’s. My old GSXR had no problems with a new Fireblade, whilst the trumpet needed it’s knackers on fire. I am not an expert or smart-ass but I would say it is the torque that matters on the roads and your Tuono 1100 has way more torque than GSXR1000 at low/mid rpms.
I just can't imagine how you keep yourself in check with all that Tuono torque on public roads, you must be going in 4th gear at 3-4000rpm all the time, that is if you mind your driving license.
I loved the Speed Triple RS, but it felt so strong that I would have to be very lazy with its gears and rpms. I loved it much more than Street RS I tried back-to-back with the Speed, but now I think Street RS is much better for the streets, requires a bit more work to make it go, yes, slower on straights, but 25kg lighter.
I have also got a 75 bhp single that weighs about 140 kgs. If i ride that to it's full potential, there are precious few points during a ride where it feels like it is too slow. The brakes are fabulous, the handling ditto and if you ride the thing right, even 600 sports bikes make no clear road behind them, the KTM sticks to them more often than not with ease.
I don't think it's a case of what we need or can use to the fullest. I like having my 190 bhp bike for the grunt in any gear, the ferocious acceleration now and again where i can do it and the sheer lunacy, i suppose of that sort of power and one wheel drive.
I don't think it's a case of what we need or can use to the fullest. I like having my 190 bhp bike for the grunt in any gear, the ferocious acceleration now and again where i can do it and the sheer lunacy, i suppose of that sort of power and one wheel drive.
Grindle said:
I have also got a 75 bhp single that weighs about 140 kgs. If i ride that to it's full potential, there are precious few points during a ride where it feels like it is too slow. The brakes are fabulous, the handling ditto and if you ride the thing right, even 600 sports bikes make no clear road behind them, the KTM sticks to them more often than not with ease.
I don't think it's a case of what we need or can use to the fullest. I like having my 190 bhp bike for the grunt in any gear, the ferocious acceleration now and again where i can do it and the sheer lunacy, i suppose of that sort of power and one wheel drive.
You sound amazing and probably an even better rider. It’s nice to see some humility on here I don't think it's a case of what we need or can use to the fullest. I like having my 190 bhp bike for the grunt in any gear, the ferocious acceleration now and again where i can do it and the sheer lunacy, i suppose of that sort of power and one wheel drive.
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