Three jailed for dangerous driving
Discussion
This popped up on a local news site (I've linked direct to the source to spare you all the ads):
https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/cour...
It got me thinking about a few things that crop up on PH - the risks involved in filming yourself if you like to push your limits, policing response to this type of riding, and sentencing at court.
I think in this case the response and sentencing were proportionate, but I can see that others might argue that as no physical harm was caused, they disagree.
What's the consensus? Prison spaces and police investigations should be focused elsewhere, the guys got what they deserved, or somewhere in between?
https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/cour...
It got me thinking about a few things that crop up on PH - the risks involved in filming yourself if you like to push your limits, policing response to this type of riding, and sentencing at court.
I think in this case the response and sentencing were proportionate, but I can see that others might argue that as no physical harm was caused, they disagree.
What's the consensus? Prison spaces and police investigations should be focused elsewhere, the guys got what they deserved, or somewhere in between?
JulianHJ said:
This popped up on a local news site (I've linked direct to the source to spare you all the ads):
https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/cour...
It got me thinking about a few things that crop up on PH - the risks involved in filming yourself if you like to push your limits, policing response to this type of riding, and sentencing at court.
I think in this case the response and sentencing were proportionate, but I can see that others might argue that as no physical harm was caused, they disagree.
What's the consensus? Prison spaces and police investigations should be focused elsewhere, the guys got what they deserved, or somewhere in between?
No physical harm? That was outrageous riding. Luckily no-one was hurt ,but that is no excuse, although used by many PHers when similar circumstances occur. 'Nobody hurt, what's the problem?'https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/cour...
It got me thinking about a few things that crop up on PH - the risks involved in filming yourself if you like to push your limits, policing response to this type of riding, and sentencing at court.
I think in this case the response and sentencing were proportionate, but I can see that others might argue that as no physical harm was caused, they disagree.
What's the consensus? Prison spaces and police investigations should be focused elsewhere, the guys got what they deserved, or somewhere in between?
It's good to see that driving bans start on release from prison and not from the start of the sentence.
I read it and it sounded bad. Very bad.
I then watched the video and have to admit I've seen worse. I've rode with worse in fact but never again. The sentences are on the extreme side when you compare it to drug dealers in stolen cars, that have been chased through the streets by police at stupid speeds, crashing into other motorists and then getting away with a suspended sentence and community service..If you believe the cop shows on the telly that is.
I then watched the video and have to admit I've seen worse. I've rode with worse in fact but never again. The sentences are on the extreme side when you compare it to drug dealers in stolen cars, that have been chased through the streets by police at stupid speeds, crashing into other motorists and then getting away with a suspended sentence and community service..If you believe the cop shows on the telly that is.
NS400R said:
Dreadful riding. But prison? Suspended sentence I get, but locking someone up really stuffs up their life chances so I don't think prison is appropriate.
I agree, although it says there was a collision. What gets me is these Police INterceptor shows that have lads in nicked cars with no licences driving like utter t
ts at 100mph in 30s, wrong side of roundies, through red lights etc, and they seem to get community service and banned (again). Why not lock them s up too? You can say nobody got hurt , but to me watching that is like shooting an arrow in the air.
It won't be a grazed knee if they hit a car it would be like a missile.
Everyone speeds and has a bit of fun now and again but that's far beyond what any petrolhead should deem to be acceptable. It's shameful.
It won't be a grazed knee if they hit a car it would be like a missile.
Everyone speeds and has a bit of fun now and again but that's far beyond what any petrolhead should deem to be acceptable. It's shameful.
nonsequitur said:
No physical harm? That was outrageous riding. Luckily no-one was hurt ,but that is no excuse, although used by many PHers when similar circumstances occur. 'Nobody hurt, what's the problem?'
It's good to see that driving bans start on release from prison and not from the start of the sentence.
I agree entirely.It's good to see that driving bans start on release from prison and not from the start of the sentence.
WarnieV6GT said:
I read it and it sounded bad. Very bad.
I then watched the video and have to admit I've seen worse. I've rode with worse in fact but never again. The sentences are on the extreme side when you compare it to drug dealers in stolen cars, that have been chased through the streets by police at stupid speeds, crashing into other motorists and then getting away with a suspended sentence and community service..If you believe the cop shows on the telly that is.
And it was exactly this that sprang to mind as I watched the footage and recalled some clips from Police Interceptors (or something similar) last night - the drivers on that didn't seem to get proportionally higher sentences than these guys. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd describe the sentencing here as 'extreme'; it's what I'd expect to receive if I consistently rode in a similar manner.I then watched the video and have to admit I've seen worse. I've rode with worse in fact but never again. The sentences are on the extreme side when you compare it to drug dealers in stolen cars, that have been chased through the streets by police at stupid speeds, crashing into other motorists and then getting away with a suspended sentence and community service..If you believe the cop shows on the telly that is.
I’ve watched the clip and the riding wasn’t great. It’s pretty stupid to be doing wheelies at 2x the speed limit in urban areas, albeit nothing actually happened. Don’t get me wrong, I do like to see a well executed wheelie and while they may be illegal wherever they’re done (depending on circumstances, it’d probably be DWDCA), like anything, there’s a t8me and a place.
As for the sentencing, a lot would depend not only on the gravity of the offence(s), but also any previous convictions, together with any mitigating or aggravating factors. Sentencing HAS to be done in line with Sentencing Council guidance, or its straight to appeal against sentence. There’s a section about sentencing in the book “The Secret Barrister”, which explains that although the maximum sentence for an offence may be set by the relevant statute law as ten years (for example), the maximum under Sentencing Council guidelines might only be seven years, so if you were to get sentenced to eight years, you’d effectively have grounds to appeal sentence.
I shan’t share my opinion of Steve Callaghan, who has posted on PH under a number of different user names, other than to say I’ve found he seems to have something of a “holier than thou” attitude. I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”. Wheelies in/around town at 2x the speed limit would end up getting reported. There’s a time and a place...
TL;DR - Not great riding, but it’s impossible to say whether or not a custodial is “right”, without knowing the full previous (if any) of those sentenced. Yes, it’s disappointing seeing some of the “punishments” on Police Camera Interceptors Sheriff Bunnell...
As for the sentencing, a lot would depend not only on the gravity of the offence(s), but also any previous convictions, together with any mitigating or aggravating factors. Sentencing HAS to be done in line with Sentencing Council guidance, or its straight to appeal against sentence. There’s a section about sentencing in the book “The Secret Barrister”, which explains that although the maximum sentence for an offence may be set by the relevant statute law as ten years (for example), the maximum under Sentencing Council guidelines might only be seven years, so if you were to get sentenced to eight years, you’d effectively have grounds to appeal sentence.
I shan’t share my opinion of Steve Callaghan, who has posted on PH under a number of different user names, other than to say I’ve found he seems to have something of a “holier than thou” attitude. I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”. Wheelies in/around town at 2x the speed limit would end up getting reported. There’s a time and a place...
TL;DR - Not great riding, but it’s impossible to say whether or not a custodial is “right”, without knowing the full previous (if any) of those sentenced. Yes, it’s disappointing seeing some of the “punishments” on Police Camera Interceptors Sheriff Bunnell...
Most annoying case I saw on one of those motorway cop shows was a guy that got pulled for not wearing a seatbelt. Turned out that he was banned, the car has not MOT and of course he didn’t have insurance. From memory I think the car was crushed (but was a st heap with no MOT so worth next to nothing) plus he got a further ban and £150 fine. What a joke. I bet the defendant drove to court in another MOT failure.
t heap with no MOT so worth next to nothing) plus he got a further ban and £150 fine. What a joke. I bet the defendant drove to court in another MOT failure. Dibble said:
I’ve watched the clip and the riding wasn’t great. It’s pretty stupid to be doing wheelies at 2x the speed limit in urban areas, albeit nothing actually happened. Don’t get me wrong, I do like to see a well executed wheelie and while they may be illegal wherever they’re done (depending on circumstances, it’d probably be DWDCA), like anything, there’s a t8me and a place.
As for the sentencing, a lot would depend not only on the gravity of the offence(s), but also any previous convictions, together with any mitigating or aggravating factors. Sentencing HAS to be done in line with Sentencing Council guidance, or its straight to appeal against sentence. There’s a section about sentencing in the book “The Secret Barrister”, which explains that although the maximum sentence for an offence may be set by the relevant statute law as ten years (for example), the maximum under Sentencing Council guidelines might only be seven years, so if you were to get sentenced to eight years, you’d effectively have grounds to appeal sentence.
I shan’t share my opinion of Steve Callaghan, who has posted on PH under a number of different user names, other than to say I’ve found he seems to have something of a “holier than thou” attitude. I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”. Wheelies in/around town at 2x the speed limit would end up getting reported. There’s a time and a place...
TL;DR - Not great riding, but it’s impossible to say whether or not a custodial is “right”, without knowing the full previous (if any) of those sentenced. Yes, it’s disappointing seeing some of the “punishments” on Police Camera Interceptors Sheriff Bunnell...
Great post. I was about to say although the riding was stupid and dangerous I can’t see how it was be punished by prison time but I hadn’t considered previous convictions etc. As for the sentencing, a lot would depend not only on the gravity of the offence(s), but also any previous convictions, together with any mitigating or aggravating factors. Sentencing HAS to be done in line with Sentencing Council guidance, or its straight to appeal against sentence. There’s a section about sentencing in the book “The Secret Barrister”, which explains that although the maximum sentence for an offence may be set by the relevant statute law as ten years (for example), the maximum under Sentencing Council guidelines might only be seven years, so if you were to get sentenced to eight years, you’d effectively have grounds to appeal sentence.
I shan’t share my opinion of Steve Callaghan, who has posted on PH under a number of different user names, other than to say I’ve found he seems to have something of a “holier than thou” attitude. I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”. Wheelies in/around town at 2x the speed limit would end up getting reported. There’s a time and a place...
TL;DR - Not great riding, but it’s impossible to say whether or not a custodial is “right”, without knowing the full previous (if any) of those sentenced. Yes, it’s disappointing seeing some of the “punishments” on Police Camera Interceptors Sheriff Bunnell...
Since passing my test and watching more and more rider videos it becomes clear that the majority of collisions are caused by arrogant, ignorant riders who seem to think that they have right of way all the time and are invincible. Weaving through traffic, undertaking approaching a zebra crossing and a parked car... you’ll end up under a car very soon. Perhaps a lot of riders haven’t been car drivers.
They say riders make better drivers, I feel drivers make better riders too!
Dibble said:
I’ve watched the clip and the riding wasn’t great. It’s pretty stupid to be doing wheelies at 2x the speed limit in urban areas, albeit nothing actually happened. Don’t get me wrong, I do like to see a well executed wheelie and while they may be illegal wherever they’re done (depending on circumstances, it’d probably be DWDCA), like anything, there’s a t8me and a place.
As for the sentencing, a lot would depend not only on the gravity of the offence(s), but also any previous convictions, together with any mitigating or aggravating factors. Sentencing HAS to be done in line with Sentencing Council guidance, or its straight to appeal against sentence. There’s a section about sentencing in the book “The Secret Barrister”, which explains that although the maximum sentence for an offence may be set by the relevant statute law as ten years (for example), the maximum under Sentencing Council guidelines might only be seven years, so if you were to get sentenced to eight years, you’d effectively have grounds to appeal sentence.
I shan’t share my opinion of Steve Callaghan, who has posted on PH under a number of different user names, other than to say I’ve found he seems to have something of a “holier than thou” attitude. I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”. Wheelies in/around town at 2x the speed limit would end up getting reported. There’s a time and a place...
TL;DR - Not great riding, but it’s impossible to say whether or not a custodial is “right”, without knowing the full previous (if any) of those sentenced. Yes, it’s disappointing seeing some of the “punishments” on Police Camera Interceptors Sheriff Bunnell...
I think that is spot on. Many of us including me do not proclaim to be perfect but wheelies in built up areas and certain aspects there just aren't acceptable and something I certainly wouldn't doAs for the sentencing, a lot would depend not only on the gravity of the offence(s), but also any previous convictions, together with any mitigating or aggravating factors. Sentencing HAS to be done in line with Sentencing Council guidance, or its straight to appeal against sentence. There’s a section about sentencing in the book “The Secret Barrister”, which explains that although the maximum sentence for an offence may be set by the relevant statute law as ten years (for example), the maximum under Sentencing Council guidelines might only be seven years, so if you were to get sentenced to eight years, you’d effectively have grounds to appeal sentence.
I shan’t share my opinion of Steve Callaghan, who has posted on PH under a number of different user names, other than to say I’ve found he seems to have something of a “holier than thou” attitude. I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”. Wheelies in/around town at 2x the speed limit would end up getting reported. There’s a time and a place...
TL;DR - Not great riding, but it’s impossible to say whether or not a custodial is “right”, without knowing the full previous (if any) of those sentenced. Yes, it’s disappointing seeing some of the “punishments” on Police Camera Interceptors Sheriff Bunnell...
Having a quick look at their names I can see they were at local biker pubs I went to. Don't know any of them myself though
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