Road legal bikes banned from certain roads due to noise

Road legal bikes banned from certain roads due to noise

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the tribester

2,340 posts

85 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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I thought that the current type approval noise limit for cars was 80db.
So how is a vehicle making the 95db the OP mentions, 'legal'??

Chozza

808 posts

151 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Kawasicki said:
Equally loud cars and trucks are not banned.
Aren't cars already subject to noise limits across Europe due to Regulation No 540/2014 which already limits cars to something like 70dB ( or is it dBa? which would be more likely )

Taking a construction limitation and applying it to vehicles on the road would seem to be a sensible next step - though if Austria is anything like the German MOT equiv. you'd be picked up at every test if you modifiy outside of spec or use non approved parts anyway.

Beyond loud so other drivers know you are there why do you want any louder

Kawasicki

Original Poster:

13,041 posts

234 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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the tribester said:
I thought that the current type approval noise limit for cars was 80db.
So how is a vehicle making the 95db the OP mentions, 'legal'??
Bikes are limited to 80 db when in motion, and 95 db when sat still, idling.

Kawasicki

Original Poster:

13,041 posts

234 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Chozza said:
Kawasicki said:
Equally loud cars and trucks are not banned.
Aren't cars already subject to noise limits across Europe due to Regulation No 540/2014 which already limits cars to something like 70dB ( or is it dBa? which would be more likely )

Taking a construction limitation and applying it to vehicles on the road would seem to be a sensible next step - though if Austria is anything like the German MOT equiv. you'd be picked up at every test if you modifiy outside of spec or use non approved parts anyway.

Beyond loud so other drivers know you are there why do you want any louder
The situation is such that you can buy a motorbike from a dealer, and be prosecuted for using it, as you bought it, on public roads.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Kawasicki said:
Bikes are limited to 80 db when in motion, and 95 db when sat still, idling.
I worry about getting mine though noise testing at a track day with the standard exhaust system on it!.

bearman68

4,642 posts

131 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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I'm one of the (presumably) majority that would be very happy to ban noisy bikes here. And just for the record, noisy cars too.

Bloody hateful things.

Kawasicki

Original Poster:

13,041 posts

234 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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bearman68 said:
I'm one of the (presumably) majority that would be very happy to ban noisy bikes here. And just for the record, noisy cars too.

Bloody hateful things.
These aren’t noisy bikes though. They are fully approved for road use.

Or would you just like to see a general vehicle ban?

bearman68

4,642 posts

131 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Kawasicki said:
These aren’t noisy bikes though. They are fully approved for road use.

Or would you just like to see a general vehicle ban?
Clearly from the comments here, many bike owners struggle to meet current noise emissions even with standard kit. Bad maintenance, bad design - I don't know. And then there are the charming courteous chaps who modify their exhausts for maximum db's. Either camp causes themselves to stand out in a non complimentary manner, no matter your personal perspective.

In my opinion, this is unacceptable behaviour, I don't like it, and consider that such actions fall below the standards expected of a normal tolerant society, so I'm happy to see the bikes banned. And to be fair, other excessively noisy vehicles.

It's an interesting view about a general ban - I don't think it's likely in the immediate future - but in the longer term......who knows? Certainly those vehicles that cause maximum irritation for minimum societal benifit are likely to be the first that feel the effects.

clen666

925 posts

121 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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You sound like a right barrel of laughs

PushedDover

5,621 posts

52 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Ironically I’d rather listen to a barrel of laughs.... than a wailing motorbike

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Hmmm "...I don't like it, ban it..." very tolerant

bearman68

4,642 posts

131 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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clen666 said:
You sound like a right barrel of laughs
Maybe - just trying to state my opinion without being offensive to any individual.

PushedDover

5,621 posts

52 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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irocfan said:
Hmmm "...I don't like it, ban it..." very tolerant
Or
Regulations flouted. Stamp on it

popeyewhite

19,621 posts

119 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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V8RX7 said:
The fact that standard bikes don't scream
Yes they do.

I got rid of a Tuono because it was embarrassingly loud. i mean...just unnecessarily loud. It was just fking cringeworthy riding the thing in the country on a summer afternoon with every local looking at you like you're a tt. hehe

In fairness it was very snatchy as well.

KurtFlew

405 posts

52 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Another here for the quieter bike brigade. And to the OP, with it being an Austrian issue I don't care. Just another loony EU law;)

black-k1

11,887 posts

228 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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This is yet another step in a very worrying trend. There is an ever increasing gradual creep of legislation making it more and more difficult to ride an otherwise legal motorcycle. Those that don't think it affects them are, at best, short sighted and naive. If it "works" how long do you think it'll be until it's applied to the Highlands (no more NC500) or the Dales, or North Wales etc.

As a group we must carry a lot of the blame for this. The selfish bds who ride with baffles out or loud pipes are responsible for this. Joe Public does not want to hear your bike yet is being forced to endure it. Joe Public does not know the difference, and couldn't care less about the difference, between a modified exhaust and a standard one so will opt for the easy answer of ban the lot.

Forget the totally unproven cobblers that says "loud pipes save lives" and remember that load pipes will kill motorcycling!

Kawasicki

Original Poster:

13,041 posts

234 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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PushedDover said:
irocfan said:
Hmmm "...I don't like it, ban it..." very tolerant
Or
Regulations flouted. Stamp on it
The regs haven't been flouted.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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The biggest culprits are Harleys and Ducatis, imho. Very loud right out of the factory.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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the tribester said:
I thought that the current type approval noise limit for cars was 80db.
So how is a vehicle making the 95db the OP mentions, 'legal'??
Maybe bikes are 95 and cars are 80 but the exhaust valves are allowed?

In Switzerland there was talk about forbidding the exhaust systems with exhaust valves.

Kawasicki

Original Poster:

13,041 posts

234 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2020
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black-k1 said:
This is yet another step in a very worrying trend. There is an ever increasing gradual creep of legislation making it more and more difficult to ride an otherwise legal motorcycle. Those that don't think it affects them are, at best, short sighted and naive. If it "works" how long do you think it'll be until it's applied to the Highlands (no more NC500) or the Dales, or North Wales etc.

As a group we must carry a lot of the blame for this. The selfish bds who ride with baffles out or loud pipes are responsible for this. Joe Public does not want to hear your bike yet is being forced to endure it. Joe Public does not know the difference, and couldn't care less about the difference, between a modified exhaust and a standard one so will opt for the easy answer of ban the lot.

Forget the totally unproven cobblers that says "loud pipes save lives" and remember that load pipes will kill motorcycling!
Finally someone who gets it.

If some people ride with exhausts that are illegal, then those people should be prosecuted. If new, road legal, motorbikes are too loud, then surely the law must be changed.