Oil Change - Terminal Clutch Slip Within 30 Mins

Oil Change - Terminal Clutch Slip Within 30 Mins

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Steve Bass

10,186 posts

232 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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anonymous said:
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Stop it nono

hehehehehehehehehehehehe

Killboy

7,159 posts

201 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I'm not sure I've ever seen someone post that they have a problem, and then proceed to tell everyone else what an idiot they are for suggesting what caused that problem because they never had that problem before. read


rigga

8,727 posts

200 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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anonymous said:
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Don't think he means the lever ..... I'm hoping he means he's stripped the cover off and inspected the plates.

thatdude

2,654 posts

126 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Ok, some more questions from me to gain absolute clarification on my end, because I do actually want to help.

Firstly: What bike is it? (Manufacturer and model)

Before the oil change, the clutch was working perfectly - no slip, no other issues, correct?

What specification of oil were you using previously? (Grade, viscosity, manufacturer etc)

When you change the oil, what procedure did you follow?

What oil did you use in this most recent oil change (grae, viscosity, manufacturer etc)

What other work was performed during this service period?

Did the clutch immediatly start slipping, or did it come on gradually?

What were the specifications of the inspected clutch items (thickness of friction plates, steel plats, other clutch components) and how did that compare with the manufacturers reported service limits?

Something has happened, I still dont suspect it is the oil as a clutch usually doesnt slip immediatly unless there is another issue. Like I've said, I've switched between semi and fully synthetic, have known plenty of other people to do the same and have never encountered problems unless thre has been an underlying clutch issue.

Sidecar Man

581 posts

60 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Benni said:
If the bike has a wet clutch, I would only use mineral oil, not semi-synthetic or full synthetic,

as synthetic oils lead to clutch slip.
What a load of rubbish. Used fully or semi synthetic in all my bikes. Only ever had one problem and that was an EBC clutch. Junked that and put a genuine one and it was perfect.

Smurfsarepeopletoo

863 posts

56 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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I dont know anything about bike clutches, However, I can guarantee that if you try and argue that using a product once thats meant for your bike has caused the issue, and not the numerous occasions you have used a product specifically not designed for your bike, your on to a loser.

Its like arguing that youve been running your diesel car on veg oil for the past few years when it says you specifically shouldnt, and then the day you put diesel in your engine stops, that its the diesel thats caused the issue.

rigga

8,727 posts

200 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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anonymous said:
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I know I can't ....... dunno about anyone else.

bgunn

1,416 posts

130 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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The synthetic oil 'is too slippy', or 'causes oil seals to leak' has been raging on since time began (almost).

It isn't, and it doesn't. Bike manufacturers spec synthetic oil with wet clutches, but the important thing is that there aren't the friction modifiers present in oils designed for car engines (which, by in large, do not have clutches bathed in oil). I've just put Motul ester fully synth (the nice smelling pink stuff) in my XSR900, and guess what, the clutch doesn't slip. Because it's a JASO MA2 spec oil.

OP: Why did you change the oil you used if the car oil was working so perfectly?

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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V8RX7 said:
I changed the oil in my bike with one that I couldn't find a bad review of.

It was the correct grade and for bikes and stated it was compatible with all wet clutches
why did you choose oil from a smaller manufacturer and not the proven stuff from proven manufacturer, out of curiosity?

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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LimSlip said:
Why the huge reluctance to mention the specific oil that was used?
It is enough he took the risk, for whatever reason, with unknown oil, do you want him to take the risk of potentially being accused by oil manufacturer for spreading false information?

You do not need to know what manufacturer it was, because you will be buying the proven stuff from proven companies that Steve Bass mentioned right in the beginning.




Edited by Ho Lee Kau on Tuesday 30th June 08:42

Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
why did you choose oil from a smaller manufacturer and not the proven stuff from proven manufacturer, out of curiosity?
Probably because it was cheap.

Ho Lee Kau said:
It is enough he took the risk, for whatever reason, with unknown oil, do you want him to take the risk of potentially being accused for spreading false information by oil manufacturer?
No naming and shaming is allowed on PH.

As for using car oil in a bike hehe muppetry at its finest biggrin



Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

124 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Jazoli said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
why did you choose oil from a smaller manufacturer and not the proven stuff from proven manufacturer, out of curiosity?
Probably because it was cheap.

Ho Lee Kau said:
It is enough he took the risk, for whatever reason, with unknown oil, do you want him to take the risk of potentially being accused for spreading false information by oil manufacturer?
No naming and shaming is allowed on PH.

As for using car oil in a bike hehe muppetry at its finest biggrin
@1: I did not want to say it, did not want to sound rude. There is a saying translated literally: "He who is stingy pays twice.", the English version would be I guess "you get what you pay for", though it may not really apply in this particular case for other reasons.

@2: I did not go through whole thread. What? It was a car oil, really?


Edited by Ho Lee Kau on Tuesday 30th June 08:44

xstian

1,966 posts

145 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Is this engine oil or gearbox oil? Looking at your profile it looks like a KTM 4T?

I've used different oils before on my 2T dirt bike, which have caused clutch slip immediately a couple of times. I've just drained and put a different oil in and its cured the problem. It can be quite confusing with oils, especially with a wet clutch. I think its well worth speaking to the oil manufacture for advice, especially on what oil they would recommend, but I can't see you getting and money off them. The fact you're using the bike off road could be enough for them to say its not in there design use. A clutch gets a lot of abuse in off road use.


Of course just stating the oil and bike, could be enough for someone to work out maybe its the wrong oil.

xstian

1,966 posts

145 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Jazoli said:
As for using car oil in a bike hehe muppetry at its finest biggrin
A lot of older 2T recommend engine oil in the gearbox, but I thought that was motorcycle engine oil, not car oil. I would have though car oil would cause clutch slip?

Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
@1: I did not want to say it, did not want to sound rude. There is a saying translated literally: "He who is stingy pays twice.", the English version would be I guess "you get what you pay for", though it may not really apply in this particular case for other reasons.

@2: I did not go through whole thread. What? It was a car oil, really?
V8RX7 said:
Yes and for two years I've been using car oil !
V8RX7 said:
I do all my own work - always have, I've been using a cheap semi oil in my bikes without any issue for years
Not any more!

V8RX7 said:
it only takes 1.2L
And considering 5L of top spec bike oil is only £50 or so the 1.2L of oil needed is about 12 quid, how much of a saving must he have made using car oil ? biggrin

As the OP has found out oil is cheap, clutches aren't! rofl

Edited by Jazoli on Tuesday 30th June 14:21

mickyh7

2,347 posts

85 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Look on the bright side OP.
You've saved a few pence using st car oil.
Your quids in now.
You can afford a new clutch!
Economics Mate-Its the future.

Steve Bass

10,186 posts

232 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Jazoli said:
And considering 5L of top spec bike oil is only £50 or so the 1.2L of oil needed is about £12 quid, how much of a saving must he have made using car oil ? biggrin

As the OP has found out oil is cheap, clutches aren't!
Compounded by the fact the OP admits to changing the oil every 2 hours!! Seriously??

manual recommends 10 hours for a hard run engine..

So use good quality oil every 5 to 10 hours (OP states not hard run) and it's even cheaper....

The logic of this defies ... erm.. logic hehe

LimSlip

800 posts

53 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Jazoli said:
No naming and shaming is allowed on PH.
Hypothetically if I said my parents Ford CMax has been an unreliable and generally crap car, am I likely to be banned by the mods?

clen666

925 posts

121 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Although the OP inferred that it was the fault of the oil, the reason for posting the name/spec of oil would be to confirm if it is in fact suitable for the application, surely there is no issue with that?

Also to be fair to him, he did say he changed it every 200-300 miles rather than every 2 hours.

Steve Bass

10,186 posts

232 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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LimSlip said:
Jazoli said:
No naming and shaming is allowed on PH.
Hypothetically if I said my parents Ford CMax has been an unreliable and generally crap car, am I likely to be banned by the mods?
To be clear, this isn't the oil or manufacturer's fault.
It's squarely down to the OP for using the incorrect oils throughout the service life of the bike..
So there's no naming and shaming issue here.