Never buy China footrest or you will end up on floor or mayb
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I know a guy who sources in China for B&Q and others, he visits the factory and does proper due diligence, never buys at a distance. They can make stuff properly.
He told me that one offer was from a circuit breaker company, they would apply any brand or shape to the breaker and you had 3 options - a breaker, one that switched but didn’t trip, and thirdly, one that did nothing. He also had a sample roll of cable analysed, it wasn’t very pure copper, the insulation was inconsistent and the best bit, it was 10M shorter than stated.
I also know a guy who makes pump seals. The company he was bidding with for a nuclear power station lost out to China. WIthin a week he had an order from China, as they knew they couldn’t make some of the parts, i.e. there is nothing wrong with Chinese products per se, its just that here in the west we like really cheap and they will do that by any means possible by copying something but often with poor materials and no testing.
Basically dont buy s
te from third parties that dont do any due diligence.
He told me that one offer was from a circuit breaker company, they would apply any brand or shape to the breaker and you had 3 options - a breaker, one that switched but didn’t trip, and thirdly, one that did nothing. He also had a sample roll of cable analysed, it wasn’t very pure copper, the insulation was inconsistent and the best bit, it was 10M shorter than stated.
I also know a guy who makes pump seals. The company he was bidding with for a nuclear power station lost out to China. WIthin a week he had an order from China, as they knew they couldn’t make some of the parts, i.e. there is nothing wrong with Chinese products per se, its just that here in the west we like really cheap and they will do that by any means possible by copying something but often with poor materials and no testing.
Basically dont buy s
te from third parties that dont do any due diligence.
ATG said:
It's got nothing to do with "made in China" and everything to do with buying cheap crap. It's always nice to be able to blame someone else, of course.
Ah but that's the problem - a lot of the "cheap crap" is really good quality, I've bought many products from Aliexpress, Bang Good and ebay and they have been great - LED torches, lithium batteries, chargers... you can buy exactly the same products in the UK at 4x the price.The issue is the dangerous stuff that should never be made / sold
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
I work in China. They can manufacture whatever quality you want.
Some CNC companies are easily as good as those in West. But they're not that much cheaper than the West.
Those pegs look cast rather than machined from billet. Which is likely the problem with them.
Yes all very true - should probably just say "CHEAP crap made in China", which is the bit that's the problem.Some CNC companies are easily as good as those in West. But they're not that much cheaper than the West.
Those pegs look cast rather than machined from billet. Which is likely the problem with them.
Krikkit said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
I work in China. They can manufacture whatever quality you want.
Some CNC companies are easily as good as those in West. But they're not that much cheaper than the West.
Those pegs look cast rather than machined from billet. Which is likely the problem with them.
Yes all very true - should probably just say "CHEAP crap made in China", which is the bit that's the problem.Some CNC companies are easily as good as those in West. But they're not that much cheaper than the West.
Those pegs look cast rather than machined from billet. Which is likely the problem with them.
The other type are the copies that make no attempt to hide the fact that they are cheap copies. These are the ones that people often buy and claim to have got a mega deal, when in reality there is zero quality control, zero guarantee that the materials used are any good and used zero common sense. I think the Adelin master cylinders that were doing the rounds a few years ago were a great example. People claiming they looked just like the Brembo ones so much be great for £10 (or whatever stupid price they were).
V8RX7 said:
unident said:
Don’t buy your new clutch from China either, or your engine oil 
Tell me again about your racing career 
Tell us again how you’re going to sue the oil company
mickyh7 said:
Tango13 said:
A CoC proves two things, 1, the supplier has a printer and 2, they know how to use it.
This.However a D of C (Declaration of Conformity) has to be signed by an individual.
No copy allowed.
This means someone to BLAME !
They do not like signing these!
Chinesium, the most crap element known to man
mickyh7 said:
Tango13 said:
A CoC proves two things, 1, the supplier has a printer and 2, they know how to use it.
This.However a D of C (Declaration of Conformity) has to be signed by an individual.
No copy allowed.
This means someone to BLAME !
They do not like signing these!
I've also signed a few DoC over the years but we work to ISO standards with full traceability on all materials.
Tango13 said:
mickyh7 said:
Tango13 said:
A CoC proves two things, 1, the supplier has a printer and 2, they know how to use it.
This.However a D of C (Declaration of Conformity) has to be signed by an individual.
No copy allowed.
This means someone to BLAME !
They do not like signing these!
I've also signed a few DoC over the years but we work to ISO standards with full traceability on all materials.
Scrap re-smelted. whatever that scrap is..... and then used for whatever.
They're great at copying, crap at engineering.
unident said:
Do you get these certificates for parts like this? Have people even heard of these certificates, or what they should look like?
From a reputable ISO registered company, generally not.The Chinese provide them to give a false sense of 'quality' - oooh look, a certificate that means nothing and is as much use as 2nd hand bog roll
People will always look at price and never factor in the cost.
Steve Bass said:
From a reputable ISO registered company, generally not.
The Chinese provide them to give a false sense of 'quality' - oooh look, a certificate that means nothing and is as much use as 2nd hand bog roll
People will always look at price and never factor in the cost.
That’s what I thought. Thanks. The Chinese provide them to give a false sense of 'quality' - oooh look, a certificate that means nothing and is as much use as 2nd hand bog roll
People will always look at price and never factor in the cost.
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