Imported V5 refused - 'not meeting current emissions'

[gileso]

Hi

Imported a 2014 KTM Duke 125 from France in December 2020.
Got NOVA clearance, CoC, MoT on VIN etc

Completed v55/5 and sent off all documentation to DVLA

Letter came back today saying registration refused due to:
"COC you have provided does not meet current emissions standards" and I should use the SVA inspection route.

The COC values are:
CO: 1.13g/km HC: 0.44g/km NOx: 0.12 g/km

AFAIK, these were valid for 2014 emissions regulations. Actually, the 2014 (Euro 3) limit on HC was 0.3g/km - I wonder if there's a typo on the CoC?

I will investigate with KTM...

Edited by gileso on Saturday 12th June 12:52

[poo at Paul's]

Huh hhuhhh huh huh, huuurrh, hurrr huuhuurh huhuhh huhhr …he said COC

[Charlie Croker mk2]

Something odd going in with your coc as my 2015 yamaha tmax 530 cc reads co = 1.080 , hc = 0.155 & nox = 0.107 . Where did you get your original coc as the figures seem high for a 125cc . Hope you can get it sorted out , anyone one here with a 125cc ? share your logbook info !

[gileso]

Charlie Croker mk2 said:

Something odd going in with your coc as my 2015 yamaha tmax 530 cc reads co = 1.080 , hc = 0.155 & nox = 0.107 . Where did you get your original coc as the figures seem high for a 125cc . Hope you can get it sorted out , anyone one here with a 125cc ? share your logbook info !

I agree they seem odd. The CoC is direct from KTM. They have replied to an email today stating they are correct and conform to Euro 3. I've asked them to double check...

[gileso]

Update from DVLA:

As it is less than 10 years old, it has to meet the current Euro 5 emissions limits. As the Certificate does not meet these conditions, you must put the vehicle through a single vehicle approval inspection via the DVSA.


DVSA:

It costs £85 plus your nearest test centere is a 100 mile round trip from you and its taking 6 weeks to get an appointment.

Grr

[FNG]

If the bike is Eu3 and you need to pass Eu5, what do you need to do to it so it'll pass?

[ThreadKiller]

So do all “old” bikes imported from US or Europe need an SVA?

[gileso]

It's the 10-year think that's annoying
Why a 7-year old bike has to meet Euro 5 specifications when they were introduced after the bike's production, but anything over 10 years is OK to register is beyond me.

Until someone can send me a pic of their 2014 Duke 125 V5 emissions figures (I doubt there's many on this forum), I'm still confused as to the KTM CoC:
CO: 1.13g/km HC: 0.44g/km NOx: 0.12 g/km

when a 2012 200 (older, bigger) has:
CO: 0.979g/km HC: 0.135g/km NOx: 0.135 g/km (as per V5)

[AW111]

That's a surprisingly high HC reading, especially for a 125.

Is the factory tune rich?

[Rod200SX]

I've a 2012 Duke 125, if that's of any use? Likely not but worth an ask!

[FNG]

gileso said:

It's the 10-year think that's annoying
Why a 7-year old bike has to meet Euro 5 specifications when they were introduced after the bike's production, but anything over 10 years is OK to register is beyond me.

Until someone can send me a pic of their 2014 Duke 125 V5 emissions figures (I doubt there's many on this forum), I'm still confused as to the KTM CoC:
CO: 1.13g/km HC: 0.44g/km NOx: 0.12 g/km

when a 2012 200 (older, bigger) has:
CO: 0.979g/km HC: 0.135g/km NOx: 0.135 g/km (as per V5)

Think you need to get the bike emissions tested to see if you stand the slightest chance of passing Eu5 emissions- before you think about booking IVA.

Agreed the rules are stupid for those occasions where you have a stated emissions level that would have been valid on a uk version of the same bike had it been sold here.

[gileso]

Rod200SX said:

I've a 2012 Duke 125, if that's of any use? Likely not but worth an ask!

If you can send me the V5 emission details, it would be helpful. PM me or put the readings on here.

Thanks

[Rod200SX]

gileso said:

Rod200SX said:

I've a 2012 Duke 125, if that's of any use? Likely not but worth an ask!

If you can send me the V5 emission details, it would be helpful. PM me or put the readings on here.

Thanks

Not been on in a few days so missed this but I'll rake out the V5 tonight for you.

[Rod200SX]

Eventually found the bugger. Hopefully of some use to you OP.

[gileso]

Perfect, thanks.

Last reply from KTM is that:

"As your motorcycle was homologated as an 11 kW version for European licence category use vs the standard unrestricted KTM 125 Duke sold in the UK the figures you have been supplied in your COC are correct and these match the outputs needed in it's country of sale. The standard KTM 125 Duke as sold in England matches Euro 3 figures as you have supplied."

I didn't know that the European 11Kw regs were different to the pan-European Euro 3 standards (and what do they do to restrict the bike that causes the HC reading to be so high?)

The Certificate of Authenticity (comes with the CoC) clearly states that "the machine was built..for the UK market..."

KTM obviously don't know their own records....(either CoA is wrong or the 11kW statement is wrong)....

[gileso]

Rod200SX said:

Eventually found the bugger. Hopefully of some use to you OP.

Actually, having looked at your V5 in detail, those figures are similar to those in my CoC, and don't conform to Euro 3 (in place from 2007) so the plot thickens - apparently KTM selling bikes not in line with the regs and the DVLA registering them despite this.... Although I could have got this all wrong?

[Mr_Megalomaniac]

AW111 said:

That's a surprisingly high HC reading, especially for a 125.

Is the factory tune rich?

Agreed this is very unusual.
I have a 1000cc Honda from the mid-00's and its HC reading is 0.1490g/km

Not sure how KTM duffed that one up. Decimal in the wrong place?

[carinaman]

Looked high to me too.

[gileso]

It appears "all" Duke 125s (the 2011-17 model) have a high HC figure (sample of 2: from my CoC and the V5 picture posted by Rod200SX) that is outside the Euro 3 specs.

KTM have now admitted that the LoA sent to me was incorrect and that the bike was made for the French market. Still don't understand why that makes a difference to what emissions standards it was meant to conform to.

[gareth_r]

gileso said:

Perfect, thanks.

Last reply from KTM is that:

"As your motorcycle was homologated as an 11 kW version for European licence category use vs the standard unrestricted KTM 125 Duke sold in the UK the figures you have been supplied in your COC are correct and these match the outputs needed in it's country of sale. The standard KTM 125 Duke as sold in England matches Euro 3 figures as you have supplied."

I didn't know that the European 11Kw regs were different to the pan-European Euro 3 standards (and what do they do to restrict the bike that causes the HC reading to be so high?)

The Certificate of Authenticity (comes with the CoC) clearly states that "the machine was built..for the UK market..."

KTM obviously don't know their own records....(either CoA is wrong or the 11kW statement is wrong)....

Eh? UK KTM 125s were not A1 licence (11kW) compliant? That makes no sense.