Unmarked Police Motorcycles
Discussion
bsidethecside said:
At least the GS rozzer has a white helmet. The SX guy in the picture looks proper entrapment. trickywoo said:
bsidethecside said:
At least the GS rozzer has a white helmet. The SX guy in the picture looks proper entrapment. bsidethecside said:
looks a bit of handfull 
A lot of police train at Dunsfold. When I was doing bike training I drove over there each day. Lots of young chaps in Skoda vrs driving spiritedly up behind my porker almost egging me on. I soon realised who they were and did not play. Some of them were driving pretty badly imo….probably full of the first days of training.
Caddyshack said:
A lot of police train at Dunsfold. When I was doing bike training I drove over there each day. Lots of young chaps in Skoda vrs driving spiritedly up behind my porker almost egging me on. I soon realised who they were and did not play. Some of them were driving pretty badly imo….probably full of the first days of training.
With training and experience they're probably above average safety wise. But with the odd exception, it's unlikely they could lap a circuit quicker than most regular track day guys. TheInternet said:
'the force has previously struggled to engage with segments of the biking population. It’s hoped that this bike will allow them to speak to as many riders as possible.'
I take it this means: 'previously we couldn't keep up with some of you b
ds but now we can'.
The constable needs to be reminded that it's a service. Not a force... I take it this means: 'previously we couldn't keep up with some of you b
ds but now we can'.RSstuff said:
With training and experience they're probably above average safety wise. But with the odd exception, it's unlikely they could lap a circuit quicker than most regular track day guys.
As long as those they are chasing stick to the track then the bad guys will get away! 
There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
Edited by black-k1 on Tuesday 21st March 07:16
RSstuff said:
Caddyshack said:
A lot of police train at Dunsfold. When I was doing bike training I drove over there each day. Lots of young chaps in Skoda vrs driving spiritedly up behind my porker almost egging me on. I soon realised who they were and did not play. Some of them were driving pretty badly imo….probably full of the first days of training.
With training and experience they're probably above average safety wise. But with the odd exception, it's unlikely they could lap a circuit quicker than most regular track day guys. black-k1 said:
As long as those they are chasing stick to the track then the bad guys will get away!
There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
If you're saying every middle aged possibly unfit traffic cop at the end of a long shift, is going to out ride nearly everyone on the road. I'd have to disagree, that's what radios are for.There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
Edited by RSstuff on Tuesday 21st March 09:35
RSstuff said:
black-k1 said:
As long as those they are chasing stick to the track then the bad guys will get away!
There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
If you're saying every middle aged possibly unfit traffic cop at the end of a long shift, is going to out ride nearly everyone on the road. I'd have to disagree, that's what radios are for.There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
Edited by RSstuff on Tuesday 21st March 09:35
I've ridden with a number of bike plod (off duty - own bikes) and I've always been impressed with their ability to make progress. I have no doubt that some are better than others and, like every human being, there are times when each and every one does something that they're probably not overly proud of, but, if every single rider on the road rode to the roadcraft standard of even the average biker plod I'd say there would be significantly less "statistics" reported.
I was chased for a few miles by an unmarked Fireblade when I was making "rapid progress" on my R1. Quickly spotted that the chasing rider had a white helmet so I backed off and sure enough some tiny blue LEDs started flashing in his front nose cone!
Had a good chat and he congratulated me for being pretty quick and said his video camera was working but the speed monitor bit wasn't so I'd been lucky. I rode off with a smile on my face.
Unfortunately a big fat envelope landed on the doormat 5 months later. I was being summoned for 91mph in a 60 supported by a load of evidence and photos. He'd gone back to the scene with a colleague and measured some distances and timings from the video to calculate accurate speeds.
Good to see my taxes being spent so thoroughly to secure a conviction!
Had a good chat and he congratulated me for being pretty quick and said his video camera was working but the speed monitor bit wasn't so I'd been lucky. I rode off with a smile on my face.
Unfortunately a big fat envelope landed on the doormat 5 months later. I was being summoned for 91mph in a 60 supported by a load of evidence and photos. He'd gone back to the scene with a colleague and measured some distances and timings from the video to calculate accurate speeds.
Good to see my taxes being spent so thoroughly to secure a conviction!
black-k1 said:
RSstuff said:
With training and experience they're probably above average safety wise. But with the odd exception, it's unlikely they could lap a circuit quicker than most regular track day guys.
As long as those they are chasing stick to the track then the bad guys will get away! There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
Edited by black-k1 on Tuesday 21st March 07:16
its just a matter of training and constant application of that training
the training is there to buy if you wish it’s just the human element of constant application
for the actual numbers of vehicles out there and the % of accidents there are, we are all fairly good at it without “roadcraft”. if we weren’t, the accident statistics would be far worse - it would be carnage
if we/they all drove/rode to roadcraft there would be no IAM a better driver/rider than you club and the world would be full of hiz viz, white helmets and RTs - perish the thought
GSA_fattie said:
black-k1 said:
RSstuff said:
With training and experience they're probably above average safety wise. But with the odd exception, it's unlikely they could lap a circuit quicker than most regular track day guys.
As long as those they are chasing stick to the track then the bad guys will get away! There are VERY few riders who can ride on the road as quickly and as safely as biker plod can.
Edited by black-k1 on Tuesday 21st March 07:16
its just a matter of training and constant application of that training
the training is there to buy if you wish it’s just the human element of constant application
for the actual numbers of vehicles out there and the % of accidents there are, we are all fairly good at it without “roadcraft”. if we weren’t, the accident statistics would be far worse - it would be carnage
if we/they all drove/rode to roadcraft there would be no IAM a better driver/rider than you club and the world would be full of hiz viz, white helmets and RTs - perish the thought
Your're right, it is just a matter of training and constant application of that training, but very few other riders get the same level/frequency of training and the same level opportunity for application/practice of that training.
The fact that insurance companies offer discounts to riders who have received such training should be, at least in part, an indication as to the benefits of that training.
Hiz viz, white helmets and RTs have their place in the biking world along with the Ewan and Charlie wannabes, the weekend warrior power rangers, the South Park "fag" Biker gangs and every other PTW riding group but your correlation of the use and implementation of Roadcraft with such groups is neither funny not clever.
Safety seems to be something that divides opinions. Is someone that has ridden/driven for years without being involved in an accident or near miss, riding/driving safely, regardless of their right time and right place attitude to 60/70 speed limits? Line of sight and being able to stop in the distance you can see makes sense. But it seems stealth speed detection is an easy means to target those with the ability to pay.
Edited by RSstuff on Tuesday 21st March 21:48
A993LAD said:
I was chased for a few miles by an unmarked Fireblade when I was making "rapid progress" on my R1. Quickly spotted that the chasing rider had a white helmet so I backed off and sure enough some tiny blue LEDs started flashing in his front nose cone!
Had a good chat and he congratulated me for being pretty quick and said his video camera was working but the speed monitor bit wasn't so I'd been lucky. I rode off with a smile on my face.
Unfortunately a big fat envelope landed on the doormat 5 months later. I was being summoned for 91mph in a 60 supported by a load of evidence and photos. He'd gone back to the scene with a colleague and measured some distances and timings from the video to calculate accurate speeds.
Good to see my taxes being spent so thoroughly to secure a conviction!
I'm very aware old bill read these posts (I've seen people post only to find themselves in further trouble because of it on PH) however given the magnitude to which people get in trouble for doing 90+ in the twisties/motorways I do wonder why bikers stop. I of course would never condone this and dont speed but it does make me wonderHad a good chat and he congratulated me for being pretty quick and said his video camera was working but the speed monitor bit wasn't so I'd been lucky. I rode off with a smile on my face.
Unfortunately a big fat envelope landed on the doormat 5 months later. I was being summoned for 91mph in a 60 supported by a load of evidence and photos. He'd gone back to the scene with a colleague and measured some distances and timings from the video to calculate accurate speeds.
Good to see my taxes being spent so thoroughly to secure a conviction!
Only need to ride into London for a bike night ace cafe or similar to see how few of 'dem R1 boyz' dont have plates on...funny that
Birky_41 said:
A993LAD said:
I was chased for a few miles by an unmarked Fireblade when I was making "rapid progress" on my R1. Quickly spotted that the chasing rider had a white helmet so I backed off and sure enough some tiny blue LEDs started flashing in his front nose cone!
Had a good chat and he congratulated me for being pretty quick and said his video camera was working but the speed monitor bit wasn't so I'd been lucky. I rode off with a smile on my face.
Unfortunately a big fat envelope landed on the doormat 5 months later. I was being summoned for 91mph in a 60 supported by a load of evidence and photos. He'd gone back to the scene with a colleague and measured some distances and timings from the video to calculate accurate speeds.
Good to see my taxes being spent so thoroughly to secure a conviction!
I'm very aware old bill read these posts (I've seen people post only to find themselves in further trouble because of it on PH) however given the magnitude to which people get in trouble for doing 90+ in the twisties/motorways I do wonder why bikers stop. I of course would never condone this and dont speed but it does make me wonderHad a good chat and he congratulated me for being pretty quick and said his video camera was working but the speed monitor bit wasn't so I'd been lucky. I rode off with a smile on my face.
Unfortunately a big fat envelope landed on the doormat 5 months later. I was being summoned for 91mph in a 60 supported by a load of evidence and photos. He'd gone back to the scene with a colleague and measured some distances and timings from the video to calculate accurate speeds.
Good to see my taxes being spent so thoroughly to secure a conviction!
Only need to ride into London for a bike night ace cafe or similar to see how few of 'dem R1 boyz' dont have plates on...funny that
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