Tuscan V6 clutch
Discussion
Am having problems locating the correct clutch for a Tuscan V6 and am hoping someone can help.
Have a tuned V6 which has a ford type 9 gearbox. The PCDs on the old clutch cover have been filed oval to be usable......obviously the wrong cover plate.
Is the flywheel an imperial measurement and if so has anyone experienced this problem and has a manufacturer and part number for a suitable clutch kit.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Have a tuned V6 which has a ford type 9 gearbox. The PCDs on the old clutch cover have been filed oval to be usable......obviously the wrong cover plate.
Is the flywheel an imperial measurement and if so has anyone experienced this problem and has a manufacturer and part number for a suitable clutch kit.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Won't any essex clutch fit? Due to the standard gearbox being the 1" x 23 spline shaft, which is the same as the type 9.
I know it gets more complicated with a crossflow and type 9 as the input shaft is smaller on the standard crossflow gearbox.
Now I think about the Taimar, I think there are multiple clucthes for the essex depending on the year of the engine, and the locating studs are in different locations.
Not 100% sure, but the different years may use different release bearings. i.e. flat finer or curly finger cover plates. Something to pay attention to anyway, although if you get a 3 piece clucth kit, I don't think it's a problem as you'll change the release bearing anyway.
I know it gets more complicated with a crossflow and type 9 as the input shaft is smaller on the standard crossflow gearbox.
Now I think about the Taimar, I think there are multiple clucthes for the essex depending on the year of the engine, and the locating studs are in different locations.
Not 100% sure, but the different years may use different release bearings. i.e. flat finer or curly finger cover plates. Something to pay attention to anyway, although if you get a 3 piece clucth kit, I don't think it's a problem as you'll change the release bearing anyway.
Edited by Cerberus90 on Monday 3rd March 21:39
Don't know if there is a major difference between Tuscan V6 (Zephyr) and 3000M' (Capri), but suspect not a lot.
I've got a new Borg&Beck clutch set for Essex V6, waiting on the bench to be installed (to a type 9), next week, will have a look for part-n° ?
Could it be that the bellhouse has not been adapted/poorly fitted ? The engine will take the type 9, but with an adaptation to the bellhouse (mainly in the facing to the box)
Think you wanna call Adrian, he stocks the right parts.
I've got a new Borg&Beck clutch set for Essex V6, waiting on the bench to be installed (to a type 9), next week, will have a look for part-n° ?
Could it be that the bellhouse has not been adapted/poorly fitted ? The engine will take the type 9, but with an adaptation to the bellhouse (mainly in the facing to the box)
Think you wanna call Adrian, he stocks the right parts.
As Cerberus90 said, I think the clutch plate itself was the same through all Essex and even through to 2.8 Colognes - so should have no problem with type 9 box fitting the plate.
Don't know about the clutch cover though... Could it have the 'wrong' flywheel ?
I wouldn't be all that surprised if 2.8 flywheel fits the Essex ...yeah... just a wierd thought.
What I do know is that the type 9 for a 4 cyl is actually the same spline too, but input shaft is shorter.
Spigot bearing is 15mm on type 9, whereas the original 4 speed had a 12.7. Both bearing sizes were available for Cologne engines, not sure if your Essex will have a special for type 9 or use the Cologne one ...
Don't know about the clutch cover though... Could it have the 'wrong' flywheel ?
I wouldn't be all that surprised if 2.8 flywheel fits the Essex ...yeah... just a wierd thought.
What I do know is that the type 9 for a 4 cyl is actually the same spline too, but input shaft is shorter.
Spigot bearing is 15mm on type 9, whereas the original 4 speed had a 12.7. Both bearing sizes were available for Cologne engines, not sure if your Essex will have a special for type 9 or use the Cologne one ...
Edited by RCK974X on Monday 3rd March 22:11
Edited by RCK974X on Monday 3rd March 22:12
Hi, I would suggest you try calling Burton Power (02085189136). They are ford engine experts and have a statement in their brochure warning that parts for early and late Essex engines can differ.
Since they also do loads of upgrade stuff the challenge of the type 9 shouldn't phase them.
P.S. I'm not taking mine apart to look for you!
Since they also do loads of upgrade stuff the challenge of the type 9 shouldn't phase them.
P.S. I'm not taking mine apart to look for you!
The essex engine up to 1971 used a flywheel which accepted a flat fingered clutch cover. After 1971 the flywheel is different in that it accepts a curly fingered clutch cover. these two fly wheels have slightly different mounting hole spacings so you can only fit the clutch cover which corresponds to each fly wheel and visa versa (the mounting holes on the clutch covers are slightly different). It appears to me that you have the original flywheel (pre-1971) and it has at some time in the past been fitted with a later clutch cover which did not quite fit and someone has "modified" to fit. I have had this problem myself when building an engine from various sources. What I found was that most clutch adverts sell only the one clutch for all essex engines stating that they will fit all years but they do not! I ended up buying a later flywheel off Ebay, having it refaced, then buying a clutch kit to fit i.e. a later clutch kit , since that seems to be all that is offered in the general market place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the type 9 box has nothing to do with the problem, it's just the clutch cover and flywheel do not match but have been modded to match.
One further point to note, the pre-1971 clutch cover (flat fingered) needs a round faced release bearing whereas the later cover (curly fingered) uses a flat faced release bearing. The round faced release bearing (pre-1971) is very difficult to source in my experience; that is why I changed the flywheel to a later type to be able to use the very available later clutch and release bearing. Hope that helps!
just saw this topic passing by. though a bit late, here's my info.
the early v6 engines (mostly fitted with overdrive, like tuscans f.i.) use a flat finger clutch cover , still available, round faced bearings, still available, and a 9" friction plate, still available. the flywheel takes 5/16" unc cover fixing bolts.
later essex engines used the curved finger covers, 9.5" plates and a flat faced bearing. this bearing has more designs depending on the gearbox used.
the later type cover is fixed to the flywheel with metric bolts M8.
early and late assemblies aren't interchangeable due to a different dowel locating pattern and different fixing hole pattern.
all parts available from stock. please contact me pm for more info.
geert van hout, netherlands
the early v6 engines (mostly fitted with overdrive, like tuscans f.i.) use a flat finger clutch cover , still available, round faced bearings, still available, and a 9" friction plate, still available. the flywheel takes 5/16" unc cover fixing bolts.
later essex engines used the curved finger covers, 9.5" plates and a flat faced bearing. this bearing has more designs depending on the gearbox used.
the later type cover is fixed to the flywheel with metric bolts M8.
early and late assemblies aren't interchangeable due to a different dowel locating pattern and different fixing hole pattern.
all parts available from stock. please contact me pm for more info.
geert van hout, netherlands
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