B-b-ber BREMBOS!

B-b-ber BREMBOS!

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Andav469

958 posts

137 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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I've put this up on the Griff forum too:-

I have been running this setup for over 3 years, but as I have 16" Estorils, I have to use spacers to clear the calipers.

Question - I am just about to buy some bell and rotor discs from Reyland, as the company turns their own bells, I have asked if they can add 10mm to the bell part of the assembly so that I can eliminate the spacers, anyone got any reason why it could be a bad idea?

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

221 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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Andav469 said:
I've put this up on the Griff forum too:-

I have been running this setup for over 3 years, but as I have 16" Estorils, I have to use spacers to clear the calipers.

Question - I am just about to buy some bell and rotor discs from Reyland, as the company turns their own bells, I have asked if they can add 10mm to the bell part of the assembly so that I can eliminate the spacers, anyone got any reason why it could be a bad idea?
no reason why not, all your doing is making the bell and spacer into a 1 piece

ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

179 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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Discopotatoes said:
Andav469 said:
I've put this up on the Griff forum too:-

I have been running this setup for over 3 years, but as I have 16" Estorils, I have to use spacers to clear the calipers.

Question - I am just about to buy some bell and rotor discs from Reyland, as the company turns their own bells, I have asked if they can add 10mm to the bell part of the assembly so that I can eliminate the spacers, anyone got any reason why it could be a bad idea?
no reason why not, all your doing is making the bell and spacer into a 1 piece
In my opinion this is a much better solution than spacers.

Keep us updated.

ClassicChimaera

12,424 posts

149 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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Top idea.
Hope it works well Dave .

Show us a pic when you couple them up thumbup

Andav469

958 posts

137 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Thanks all, Reyland only want an additional £50 to add the feature on all 4 discs, so seems a no brainer

Brithunter

599 posts

88 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Having read through this entire thread I started to do some web surfing which led to wondr if anyone has considered the Brembos that are found up front of the Peugeot 406 Coupe?

I also wonder if having a 3mm thick adaptor to go between hub face and disc with the step to locate the alloy wheel as per the hub would be a good idea when using the Seierra 86-90 283mm dia discs? Seeing that the height of the Sierra disc is 55mm compared to the 58mm of the ones on the Chimaera.

Edited by Brithunter on Thursday 20th April 15:00

ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

179 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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I see others are making the conversion kit now, Compbrakes offer it for £66, but it's still cheaper from the original inventor oldphonebloke at £62.

The cheapest however is this new seller who's popped up offering the kit for just £50.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-wheel-drive-...

For anyone considering this upgrade there's a pair of E38 Brembo calipers on eBay right now for £145.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-e38-Brembo-Calipers...

Add a set of genuine Brembo pads for just £40.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BREMBO-FRONT-AX...

Add how about a pair of genuine Brembo discs for £100.

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/brembo-1656894.ht...

Add it all up and the whole conversion will cost you £50 + £145 + £40 + £100 = £335

A proven Chimaera big brake conversion for just £335 is a proper bargain, I hope the above helps someone?

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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£50 for Brembo pads, bargain. That sounds like a good setup for minimal outlay Dave.

I recently paid £173 for a set of Hawke competition pads for the front of my Skoda! Mind you, they were epic during a track day, never fading and out braking all the TVRs on track, (certainly in my sights). wink

You get what you pay for generally.

ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

179 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Hi Peter, hope the op went to plan mate?

These Hawke pads sound good, do they make much dust and are they disc friendly?

As you know I don't track my TVR but have been super happy with my Brembo pads, however I would'nt be able to endorse them a track day compound, I'd say they are more a very good quality road pad that balances excellent stopping power right from cold with low dust/noise, they are also proving kind on my discs.

I'd need to try them on the track before I'd be able to confirm the Brembo pads are sutable for that type of activity, but for fast road work I'd say they are spot on, which is exactly what you'd expect from Brembo to be honest. Brembo do offer their 'Racing' branded pads too which seems to be more targeted at the track day guys than the standard Brembo pads I linked above for £50 a set.

Pad compounds are always a compromise between cold and hot braking performance, dust, noise, disc life ect ect... once these unavoidable compromises are understood and accepted it's a case of matching the compound to the type of use the car gets and what each driver considers an acceptable compromise. No pad is ever going to be completely dust free, I had Ferodo DS2500 pads once which are well respected but for me they made my wheels black way to quickly yuck, others may be quite happy to put up with it.

I'd call the Brembo pads excellent for day to day driving that work well for fast road use too, I'd be surprised if your Hawke pads arent better for track days though as thats what they're desinged for. I guess if the Hawke pads work well on the road from cold too and don't make excessive dust or squeel they may make a better all round option for those who do the ocational track day in their TVR.

However, I have to admit even if this is the case I'm just too tight to spend £173 on pads, I'm more a £50 a set kinda guy hehe


LeeHodges

399 posts

283 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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ChimpOnGas said:
I see others are making the conversion kit now, Compbrakes offer it for £66, but it's still cheaper from the original inventor oldphonebloke at £62.

The cheapest however is this new seller who's popped up offering the kit for just £50.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-wheel-drive-...

For anyone considering this upgrade there's a pair of E38 Brembo calipers on eBay right now for £145.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-e38-Brembo-Calipers...

Add a set of genuine Brembo pads for just £40.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BREMBO-FRONT-AX...

Add how about a pair of genuine Brembo discs for £100.

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/brembo-1656894.ht...

Add it all up and the whole conversion will cost you £50 + £145 + £40 + £100 = £335

A proven Chimaera big brake conversion for just £335 is a proper bargain, I hope the above helps someone?
It did help, ChimpOnGas; I've been dithering about front brakes for a while and have now bitten the bullet and have bought this lot:




Hopefully it's all going to fit. I just need a set of 324mm drilled front discs, that I can re-drill for 5-stud hubs... cool

QBee

20,953 posts

144 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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I bought these disks on Ebay and they have been great on my car, having already coped with 12 track days using Hawk front pads (like Peter)

GROOVED SPORT BRAKE DISCS FRONT FORD FOCUS RS 2.0 324mm

ITEM PRICE:
£109.99
ITEM NUMBER:
162567948337
SELLER:
mintbitz (23390)

99.7% positive Feedback

QBee

20,953 posts

144 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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Those of course are four stud, but they fit the standard hubs.

My Hawk Streetrace pads were £82 plus delivery, so well under £100
Part number HB100R.480

I too was out-braking everything on track at Rockingham, from a darn sight higher speed than the Phazed Skoda (no disrespect meant), and earlier this month I was out-braking Gruffalo in his 4.7 Cerbera at Cadwell Park (only way i could stay with him).

ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

179 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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So the one thing you can say for sure is if you fit 324mm discs on a TVR they won't wear out in a long long time, their ability to absorb heat is huge, of course brakes work by converting kinetic energy into heat so their ability to get rid of all that heat is essential.

What a lot of people forget though is you need some heat for any pad compound to work to it's optimum, even everyday street compound pads need a bit of heat to reach their optimum performance.

This is why I chose the Brembo pads, they're just excellent quality great performing street pads, I really doubt track day pads would ever get hot enough to reach their optimal performance window with those big 324mm discs stopping a light weight TVR when driving normally on the road .

Lots of heat is bad, but not enough heat is a problem too.




Chimp871

837 posts

117 months

Tuesday 18th September 2018
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ChimpOnGas said:
I see others are making the conversion kit now, Compbrakes offer it for £66, but it's still cheaper from the original inventor oldphonebloke at £62.

The cheapest however is this new seller who's popped up offering the kit for just £50.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-wheel-drive-...

For anyone considering this upgrade there's a pair of E38 Brembo calipers on eBay right now for £145.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-e38-Brembo-Calipers...

Add a set of genuine Brembo pads for just £40.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BREMBO-FRONT-AX...

Add how about a pair of genuine Brembo discs for £100.

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/brembo-1656894.ht...

Add it all up and the whole conversion will cost you £50 + £145 + £40 + £100 = £335

A proven Chimaera big brake conversion for just £335 is a proper bargain, I hope the above helps someone?
Bugger, wish I didn't read this forum at times. I'm spending money in my head again and know its just a matter of time before I justify that the ford 888 setup just aren't good enough for my skills (lack of).....

QBee

20,953 posts

144 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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Adding to Chimpo’s post, I swapped in some racing pads for a track day, but didn’t also change my 18 month old supposedly high temperature fluid......and boiled it at 120 mph entering a 90 degree left hander. So he is right, too much heat creates an urgent requirement for clean undercrackers..... eek

Hence why I use a compromise road/track pack, enough stopping power to lock up slick racing tyres, but not so abrasive that they create huge amounts of heat. Max braking power is achieved after a lap of the track, but they still stop the car from cold.

By the way, those Hawk Pads come from Cambridge Motorsport online. Never found anywhere else.

AcidRich

427 posts

228 months

Wednesday 19th September 2018
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ChimpOnGas said:
I see others are making the conversion kit now, Compbrakes offer it for £66, but it's still cheaper from the original inventor oldphonebloke at £62.

The cheapest however is this new seller who's popped up offering the kit for just £50.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-wheel-drive-...

For anyone considering this upgrade there's a pair of E38 Brembo calipers on eBay right now for £145.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-e38-Brembo-Calipers...

Add a set of genuine Brembo pads for just £40.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BREMBO-FRONT-AX...

Add how about a pair of genuine Brembo discs for £100.

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/brembo-1656894.ht...

Add it all up and the whole conversion will cost you £50 + £145 + £40 + £100 = £335

A proven Chimaera big brake conversion for just £335 is a proper bargain, I hope the above helps someone?
Will this set up fit under 16” wheels?
Cheers
Rich smile

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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Yep all fits under Imola and Estoril 16's

AcidRich

427 posts

228 months

Thursday 20th September 2018
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AcidRich said:
ChimpOnGas said:
I see others are making the conversion kit now, Compbrakes offer it for £66, but it's still cheaper from the original inventor oldphonebloke at £62.

The cheapest however is this new seller who's popped up offering the kit for just £50.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-2-wheel-drive-...

For anyone considering this upgrade there's a pair of E38 Brembo calipers on eBay right now for £145.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-e38-Brembo-Calipers...

Add a set of genuine Brembo pads for just £40.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BREMBO-FRONT-AX...

Add how about a pair of genuine Brembo discs for £100.

https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/brembo-1656894.ht...

Add it all up and the whole conversion will cost you £50 + £145 + £40 + £100 = £335

A proven Chimaera big brake conversion for just £335 is a proper bargain, I hope the above helps someone?
Will this set up fit under 16” wheels?
Cheers
Rich smile
All ordered, Cheers Chimp thumbup

ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

179 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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And to update this thread for the benefit of those running this brake conversion I've just bought a replacement set of genuine Brembo pads:

Part: Genuine Brembo Brake Pads (Brembo part no: P 06 018)
From: http://www.carparts4less.co.uk
EuroCarParts part number: 10111017A
Cost: £35.31

But I paid a little less today thumbup

As we all probably know EuroCarParts operate under a number of business names CarParts4Less being just one of them, and CarParts4Less always seem to be way cheaper than EuroCarParts especially if you use the CarParts4Less eBay store. They are all reputable and only sell genuine parts, they all use the same part number so they are definitely all the same company.

So today I searched for EuroCarParts part number 10111017A which covers my Brembo E38 Series 750i BMW pads used in the Brembo caliper conversion presented in this post, and another one of their company names came up this time calling themselves CarPartsBargains, again they are using the same EuroCarParts 10111017A part number so it's them alright.

CarPartsBargains had a price of £32.95 which was already cheaper than the first set I bought over two years ago which were £35.31, so I thought great I'll have those and stick them into stock, but I then get the option to add a typical EuroCarParts looking discount code PAYDAY20 that gave me a further 20% off this already very good price.

So in the end I paid the grand total of £26.36 for a full front axle set of genuine Brembo pads which I have to say I've found to be absolutely excellent quality giving very low dust, zero sequel and exceptional braking performance. I don't believe cheap and brakes should be words used in the same sentence, but Brembo really are the king of brakes and I trust them implicitly so this is just a great buy for a very high quality set of pads.

Best of all I know EuroCarParts do not sell fake components, its just they have huge buying power and I suspect they don't consider pads for an old E38 Series 750i BMW to be a fast moving line so they don't expect to make big margins on these pads.

Here's the link, and don't forget to add that discount code PAYDAY20.... wink

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222714821367

NB: Forget the image its for illustration purposes only

And finally here's my PayPay receipt showing the seller is definitely EuroCarParts...



And I fully expect the usual chap in the EuroCarParts van will rock up on Friday to drop them off, I also expect my Brembo pads to have the hologram seal on the box as did the last set did I purchased from EuroCarParts. This hard to fake hologram seal, the reputation of EuroCarParts and the excellent performance of these pads 100% proves to me they are selling genuine Brembo brake components.

I hope this helps my fellow Chimaera owner friends running this excellent brake conversion save a few quid without compromising on quality one bit thumbup

ChimpOnGas

Original Poster:

9,637 posts

179 months

Friday 2nd August 2019
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And here they are...





Brembo actually use a QR code and Brembo logo seal, I've checked and this is 100% correct.

So a full front axle set of excellent performing genuine Brembo pads for just £26.36, with top quality consumables available at such pocket friendly prices this Brembo brake conversion really is an extremely practical and cost effective brake upgrade.

When it comes to pads the Brembo brake upgrade is actually as cheap if not cheaper to service than the standard brakes, while at the same time delivering big improvements in feel and stopping power. If your standard Chimaera front calipers need fully refurbishing as mine did, this upgrade kinda becomes a no-brainer!

For the record and in period there were a number of other cars fitted with the same caliper so obviously use the exact same pads, this late 1990s Brembo four pot caliper was not only used on the larger engined E38 BMW 7 series but it was also fitted to the Maserati 3200GT and the mighty 1.8 ton 199mph Ferrari 550 Maranello..... so trust me they're just fine on a 155mph 1,060kg Chimaera hehe

Of course if you quote the Ferrari 550 when buying your pads you might find they are a little more expensive for what is exactly the same pad wink

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222818481498

Dave.