45mm inlet and Plenum base inc 72 mm throttle pot.

45mm inlet and Plenum base inc 72 mm throttle pot.

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Matthew Poxon

5,329 posts

173 months

Thursday 1st February 2018
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Interesting discussion this has turned into. I have enjoyed reading the various experiences.

I thought I was the only one who was counting weight. As I am putting on weight I thought it best the car goes on a diet. Here is my very rough list:

Radiator: Radtec Alloy Radiator - saving approx 3-4kg
Battery: 072 (18.5kg) Odyssey PC680 x2 (14kg) - saving 5.6kg
Space saver spare - saving approx 2kg
Tensioner: OEM (1.2kg) JE (200g?) - saving approx 1kg
ACT Carbon Plenum - saving approx 2kg

Future Savings
Inlet manifold - replace for throttle bodies
Starter motor: OEM (8kg) Brise (2.4kg) - saving 5.6kg
Loom - replace with MBE

Probably cancelled this lot out with the equal length manifold now anyway laugh

QBee

20,957 posts

144 months

Thursday 1st February 2018
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I think your facebook posts give us a slight clue as to the source of the weight gain, Matthew. whistle
I count my blessings that I am a racing snake myself. yes

Though she to whom I am related by marriage has been making veiled comments about bra sizes, and she doesn't seem to mean her own furious

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st February 2018
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I’ve been looking at seats for sometime
A pair of old lotus seats like Peters re covered will be an instant extra 10 hp equivalent although a bit more padding added might be nice.

That Phazed misses few tricks when it comes to power mods hehe



900T-R

20,404 posts

257 months

Friday 2nd February 2018
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Chimaera seats are not that heavy at just under 14 kg apiece. Tuscan seats are at least 4 kg heavier (per side)...

For the Tuscan we have some leather-clad Cobra Buckets (Pro Racer or summat) that weigh about 7 kg in their standard cloth upholstered guise. They are not for the wide hipped, though...

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Saturday 3rd February 2018
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TUSCAN seats heavier, see I’d have thought the opposite for some reason
Just shows what I know wink

For the ultimate trackday experience and weight advantage decent race type seats with side restraint are probably a must but day by day I’m not so sure.
Easy enough to swap over though.

It’s all power to weight at the end of the day.

I think I’ll try removing the passenger seat and re set cross weights for a competitive trackday hehe



Edited by Classic Chim on Saturday 3rd February 07:24

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Saturday 3rd February 2018
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Going back to heads
Bigger ports and induction = bigger valves = bigger Cam = more overlap and valves being open at the same time for longer.
This is if you are building an engine solely for big power.
This is where my knowledge hits the wall biggrin
Purging I think it’s called.

So longer cam duration has both valves open and this can lead to exhaust gases getting drawn back up into the Plenum via the open inlet valve?
The effect must be to dirty the fuel air mixture and cause rough running. This being exasperated at lower revs. Causing it’s own form of shunting.

So you do risk upsetting slow speed manners somewhat if you go for an aggressive cam.
Obvious to some but important to point out.

Cam choice is vital for the characteristics your looking for so a tough decision when used on the road lots. scratchchin


QBee

20,957 posts

144 months

Saturday 3rd February 2018
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This is why you have to minimise valve opening overlap if going FI - otherwise all your extra puff goes straight down the waste pipe.

900T-R

20,404 posts

257 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Classic Chim said:
Cam choice is vital for the characteristics your looking for so a tough decision when used on the road lots. scratchchin
Can't go wrong with the TVR 885 (on anything bigger than a 4 litre) or alternatively V8D Stealth smile

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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900T-R said:
Classic Chim said:
Cam choice is vital for the characteristics your looking for so a tough decision when used on the road lots. scratchchin
Can't go wrong with the TVR 885 (on anything bigger than a 4 litre) or alternatively V8D Stealth smile
For all round good driveability and good performance I agree wink I good compromise both

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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I was once told the ones Dom orders are cut to his personal requirements and not exactly the same as the 885 you get from Kent Cams,,,, wink

I’m very happy with the 885 in mine thumbup

Edited by Classic Chim on Monday 5th February 17:00

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Always presumed that the 885 was one of Powers own spec grinds anyway scratchchin like the Stealth is V8D's wink

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Stands to reason it’s a closely guarded secret in both cases, don’t blame them to be honest.

Peters lack of vacumn pressure at low revs with his big pistons etc and the inevitable purging that goes on, big Cams do big things and not all in a good way if it’s a city burner hehe

On track a fantastic beast. yes

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Cam overlap/duration bad for this vacuum business hehe

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Yeah, and for Peter a proper pain in the butt. Looks like I’ll have to put in a full shift biggrin

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Vacuum pump kit ordered. Nearly £300 worse off ...............

If it does the biz then all okay.

Classic Chim

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12,424 posts

149 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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phazed said:
Vacuum pump kit ordered. Nearly £300 worse off ...............

If it does the biz then all okay.
It’s only money. Your clutch should be light, think of that,,,, mines like a modern Audi, your boys a demon mechanic, slick it is slick I say laugh

900T-R

20,404 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Classic Chim said:
Stands to reason it’s a closely guarded secret in both cases, don’t blame them to be honest.

This is why I ended up buying the standard 885 cam over a custom grind from V8D: the spec is a known while V8D never answered my question about the one they'd be sending me, preferring to ask my card details in reply to me asking...

I know the spec of my engine (at least most of it), I know the spec of what I was taking out, I know what I want from my engine and I'm the one who needs to install and dial in the thing - it's a damn sight easier to decide on a cam if the purveyors aren't being overly secretive about the basic specs. I mean, do they *really* think I am going to take their spec and grind the bl00dy cam myself? Sheesh...

Boosted LS1

21,183 posts

260 months

Wednesday 7th February 2018
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^ What bit are you going to break? silly

SILICONEKID 345HP 12.03

14,997 posts

231 months

Wednesday 7th February 2018
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SILICONEKID 345HP 12.03 said:
Can poor vac cause braking problems ?

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th February 2018
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SILICONEKID 345HP 12.03 said:
SILICONEKID 345HP 12.03 said:
Can poor vac cause braking problems ?
It harms assistance yes yes if you dont have vacuum but you would know it frown a hard pedal and wooden feel (more force needed) wink


Edited by Sardonicus on Thursday 8th February 00:59