Chimaera Prices
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phazed said:
Recently I have met several people, (admittedly of a younger generation than me, 30 to 40 years old) and they had never even heard of the make TVR!
Much amusement when they asked where the initials TVR came from.
Even when TVR was a current brand most people had never heard of it.Much amusement when they asked where the initials TVR came from.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
phazed said:
Recently I have met several people, (admittedly of a younger generation than me, 30 to 40 years old) and they had never even heard of the make TVR!
Much amusement when they asked where the initials TVR came from.
Even when TVR was a current brand most people had never heard of it.Much amusement when they asked where the initials TVR came from.
Back on the subject.
Some people don't know how to sell their car. Happy to give it a wash and put it up for sale with a few photographs whereas if you want to really make a difference you need to put plenty of work into the presentation of the car and make sure everything works.
Here is a picture of the engine bay of my car when I bought it. Unbelievably it is the picture provided by the seller!
It was also just running on six cylinders!
Obviously I've done a lot more work to it now but a good half day spent cleaning up the under bonnet area, re-routing wiring and hoses neatly gives a far better impression of a car cared for and therefore will command a better price.
Some people don't know how to sell their car. Happy to give it a wash and put it up for sale with a few photographs whereas if you want to really make a difference you need to put plenty of work into the presentation of the car and make sure everything works.
Here is a picture of the engine bay of my car when I bought it. Unbelievably it is the picture provided by the seller!
It was also just running on six cylinders!
Obviously I've done a lot more work to it now but a good half day spent cleaning up the under bonnet area, re-routing wiring and hoses neatly gives a far better impression of a car cared for and therefore will command a better price.
Skyedriver said:
My yellow peril may end up for sale shortly as I've bought something else.
Now have three cars with two seats and we are a family of 3 plus two dogs....
This depressed market is depressing me.
If past history is a guide, the Chimaera prices are set to rise dramatically as I've added mine to the For Sale list yesterday.Now have three cars with two seats and we are a family of 3 plus two dogs....
This depressed market is depressing me.
(Example previous sales: BMW E30 M3 -£8000, Lotus Elan S4 - £6000, Lotus Seven S2 - £5500, BMW 2002 tii - £850....)
phazed said:
Back on the subject.
Some people don't know how to sell their car.
You're not wrong there, the amount of cars I've asked about where the sellers can't even be bothered to provide answers to the most basic of questions is astounding. Not just private sellers either some dealers are worse than useless at providing details.Some people don't know how to sell their car.
I would have thought now, where it most definitely is a buyers market (even though prices will continue to fall ), sellers would be doing everything they could to achieve a sale, but apparently not.
ray von said:
phazed said:
Back on the subject.
Some people don't know how to sell their car.
You're not wrong there, the amount of cars I've asked about where the sellers can't even be bothered to provide answers to the most basic of questions is astounding. Not just private sellers either some dealers are worse than useless at providing details.Some people don't know how to sell their car.
I would have thought now, where it most definitely is a buyers market (even though prices will continue to fall ), sellers would be doing everything they could to achieve a sale, but apparently not.
The Sellers do not want to put off a possible viewers/buyers coming to see the car, not caring about how far a viewer has to travel to see a car that would not meet a their expectations.
I regret selling my Chimaera in May due to a medical reason, but would buy it back in an instant if possible.
citizen smith said:
Personally, I think that the Dealer/Private Sellers are fully aware of what there cars faults and niggles are, as to why they are selling their car.
The Sellers do not want to put off a possible viewers/buyers coming to see the car, not caring about how far a viewer has to travel to see a car that would not meet a their expectations.
I regret selling my Chimaera in May due to a medical reason, but would buy it back in an instant if possible.
I don't mean sellers providing a list of faults. I mean things like who serviced the car, when was it serviced, are receipts there for any work done etc just basic stuff really. I thought everyone had this sort of thing to hand when selling cars but seems it's just me and a few others.The Sellers do not want to put off a possible viewers/buyers coming to see the car, not caring about how far a viewer has to travel to see a car that would not meet a their expectations.
I regret selling my Chimaera in May due to a medical reason, but would buy it back in an instant if possible.
I have come across tons of lazy sellers for various reasons. It is fine if you don't have the time or inclination but expect to get kicked on the price if so and rightly so.
It takes a lot of time, money and effort to prepare a car for sale so it is the best it can be without going unrealistically bananas. I know, as I do this for pretty much all cars I sell. Why wouldn't you put the time and effort in. Some people are grafters and some are lazy and some in between. Unfortunately or fortunately I'm a grafter.....not sure if that is good or not yet....jury is still out.
I document all I can and scan then PDf into a binder file. Also having an A4 binder in chronological order. I speak to any past owners, dealers or garages to obtain proof of known or unknown works where possible. It all helps to make the car the best it can be but it does take time and effort.
I bought a Maserati 4200 recently that the seller incorrectly listed as a 3200 and knew very little about the car. However he was honest and open about that and the price reflected this.
The Alfa GT I have is just about to get several weeks of time, effort, care and attention to make it the best it can be for potential selling. The alloys have been professionally refurbed and colour changed to suit the car better. With not too much money but lots of time and effort an easier sale and better.price can easily be achieved. If you can't be bothered I have little to no sympathy.
However I do see a rough diamond or badly prepared car as an opportunity often so don't always walk away initially so quickly as many do.
It takes a lot of time, money and effort to prepare a car for sale so it is the best it can be without going unrealistically bananas. I know, as I do this for pretty much all cars I sell. Why wouldn't you put the time and effort in. Some people are grafters and some are lazy and some in between. Unfortunately or fortunately I'm a grafter.....not sure if that is good or not yet....jury is still out.
I document all I can and scan then PDf into a binder file. Also having an A4 binder in chronological order. I speak to any past owners, dealers or garages to obtain proof of known or unknown works where possible. It all helps to make the car the best it can be but it does take time and effort.
I bought a Maserati 4200 recently that the seller incorrectly listed as a 3200 and knew very little about the car. However he was honest and open about that and the price reflected this.
The Alfa GT I have is just about to get several weeks of time, effort, care and attention to make it the best it can be for potential selling. The alloys have been professionally refurbed and colour changed to suit the car better. With not too much money but lots of time and effort an easier sale and better.price can easily be achieved. If you can't be bothered I have little to no sympathy.
However I do see a rough diamond or badly prepared car as an opportunity often so don't always walk away initially so quickly as many do.
ray von said:
citizen smith said:
Personally, I think that the Dealer/Private Sellers are fully aware of what there cars faults and niggles are, as to why they are selling their car.
The Sellers do not want to put off a possible viewers/buyers coming to see the car, not caring about how far a viewer has to travel to see a car that would not meet a their expectations.
I regret selling my Chimaera in May due to a medical reason, but would buy it back in an instant if possible.
I don't mean sellers providing a list of faults. I mean things like who serviced the car, when was it serviced, are receipts there for any work done etc just basic stuff really. I thought everyone had this sort of thing to hand when selling cars but seems it's just me and a few others.The Sellers do not want to put off a possible viewers/buyers coming to see the car, not caring about how far a viewer has to travel to see a car that would not meet a their expectations.
I regret selling my Chimaera in May due to a medical reason, but would buy it back in an instant if possible.
Like the Capri I looked at some years ago that the owner said was immaculate.
Still had a rippled bonnet after it was resprayed after an engine fire, (Lots of smoke damage under the bonnet as well) and even the dashboard top wasn't fitted before I got round!
Take all descriptions with a pinch of salt.
Still had a rippled bonnet after it was resprayed after an engine fire, (Lots of smoke damage under the bonnet as well) and even the dashboard top wasn't fitted before I got round!
Take all descriptions with a pinch of salt.
a car freshly comming back from an automotive refurbisher, as well as a totally dirty car should start the warning-bells for every potentital buyer.
what i must confirm is, that most sellers do not give a comprehensive vehicle description in the advert, which "forces" buyers to ask questions, but than those sellers are not willing nor prepared to answer the questions....and finally they are wondering why nobody is interested in their car or why people arrive with much lower prices than the sellers expectations.
today with internet and email the most part of selling is communication....why should i drive 20miles or even 500miles for basic-things which could be clarified in advance by an email?
i don´t remember how many cars i bought in the past 15yeras...and most of them sold after 1 or 2 seasons, making space for a new project.
i always had plenty of questions when buying, due to lack of info given in the sellers-advert.
i never received plenty of questions when selling, because all important infos where given in the advert.
also needs to be mentioned: I never viewed a car b4 buying!
and it never turned out that the car was not as expected.
this has mainly 2 reasons:
i´m very critical, reading inbetween the lines of an advert.
i´m extremely sceptic viewing the slighest imperfections on a picutre or how a picture is taken.
e.g.: a person advertizing a car for good money but isnt able to put the steering in straight position for the picture, says a lot to me ( at least i have the impression that it says something about the mentality of the owner /seller).
obviously it all depends on the price -range a car is advertized:
i´m not so critical viewing an advert of a kitcar for 3.5k but more criticial when a Chimaera is advertized for 12 or even 15k
what i must confirm is, that most sellers do not give a comprehensive vehicle description in the advert, which "forces" buyers to ask questions, but than those sellers are not willing nor prepared to answer the questions....and finally they are wondering why nobody is interested in their car or why people arrive with much lower prices than the sellers expectations.
today with internet and email the most part of selling is communication....why should i drive 20miles or even 500miles for basic-things which could be clarified in advance by an email?
i don´t remember how many cars i bought in the past 15yeras...and most of them sold after 1 or 2 seasons, making space for a new project.
i always had plenty of questions when buying, due to lack of info given in the sellers-advert.
i never received plenty of questions when selling, because all important infos where given in the advert.
also needs to be mentioned: I never viewed a car b4 buying!
and it never turned out that the car was not as expected.
this has mainly 2 reasons:
i´m very critical, reading inbetween the lines of an advert.
i´m extremely sceptic viewing the slighest imperfections on a picutre or how a picture is taken.
e.g.: a person advertizing a car for good money but isnt able to put the steering in straight position for the picture, says a lot to me ( at least i have the impression that it says something about the mentality of the owner /seller).
obviously it all depends on the price -range a car is advertized:
i´m not so critical viewing an advert of a kitcar for 3.5k but more criticial when a Chimaera is advertized for 12 or even 15k
Edited by LLantrisant on Sunday 1st September 12:45
When I sell a car, it tends to be like War and Peace. I put down almost too much, some people say. Can I add that buyers often don't read the description beyond the first line and the price.
I've had questions like 'does it have power steering?' when it specifically says so in the listing. When was it last serviced? There are photos of the service cards. And the classic 'what will you take for it?' £5, what do you think?
Usually, putting down everything I consider relevant avoids obvious questions, but not always.
I've had questions like 'does it have power steering?' when it specifically says so in the listing. When was it last serviced? There are photos of the service cards. And the classic 'what will you take for it?' £5, what do you think?
Usually, putting down everything I consider relevant avoids obvious questions, but not always.
Here's one I started in 2013.......... with prices i think in 2017...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
From my experience, I listed my last Chimaera on PH classifieds (not free for recent members....) and got no response at all after 2 weeks. So I sold it on ebay in the end; but I consider myself fortunate looking at what top bids some of them are reaching. Minimum fee is £11.99:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling/fees-credits-i...
Autotrader is an outrageous price considering they don't even have to print a magazine any more. I only use it as a reference / comparison site.
Gumtree? Not tried it myself.
There's Facebook of course but I don't use it. Since nearly half the population DON'T, I'm surprised when I hear how many people only use it to list a car. Why ignore millions of potential buyers? They have no visibility of it.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling/fees-credits-i...
Autotrader is an outrageous price considering they don't even have to print a magazine any more. I only use it as a reference / comparison site.
Gumtree? Not tried it myself.
There's Facebook of course but I don't use it. Since nearly half the population DON'T, I'm surprised when I hear how many people only use it to list a car. Why ignore millions of potential buyers? They have no visibility of it.
Had mine up for sale for over a year on PH, ebay etc. and received some silly offers .I finally traded it in for a 'sensible' car and received a decent price for it at a TVR dealership, and more than I expected from a trade-in. I now have a car which I can easily sell on if necessary, although I did need another vehicle at the time.
This could be the answer for those who are in a hurry to sell their TVRs' without giving it away to an ebay vulture.
This could be the answer for those who are in a hurry to sell their TVRs' without giving it away to an ebay vulture.
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