Powers stopped doing a Turbo???

[BIG DUNC]

Chimp871 said:

I'd be up for a group buy

Ditto

[macdeb]

Boosted LS1 said:

Surely anybody can ask for a kit price or does he only do installations?

Yes, he supplies kits and it's very reasonably priced, I just don't get the 'group buy' thing. How much do people think he can 'give away'? He's a very small outfit (and a decent bloke), not a big manufacturer and so kits are made to order and any profits will be narrow taking into account the work that's gone into getting the thing off the ground. I'm sure you will know that.

Edited by macdeb on Monday 15th October 14:56

Edited by macdeb on Monday 15th October 14:57

[Boosted LS1]

^ I understand completely which is why I never took the idea further. He would make more money if he charged £'s per bhp :-)

[Chimp871]

Nothing wrong with group buying, it's been used on here before and not meant to cause offence and most including myself don't know how big or small they are.

He doesn't have to respond to a request and keep things as they are.

[motul1974]

Sell 1 @ 100% profit kit or sell 10 kits @ 80% profit, created by demand off here....the later would make business sense to me, so group buys can't be all bad!

[spitfire4v8]

How much profit do you think is in a kit that a 20 percent reduction in the profit margin is going to make 9 extra people take up the offer where previously there was 1 ?

I think you misunderstand the profit margins of automotive small businesses / one man bands!

[TwinKam]

This^^
It's one thing having stock sitting on a shelf waiting to be sold, or staff sitting idle waiting for orders to fabricate; quite another thing to have to create a whole batch of something from nothing whilst also covering your bread-and-butter jobs... especially if you're a one man band.
It could easily be more of a curse than a blessing.

[900T-R]

spitfire4v8 said:

I think you misunderstand the profit margins of automotive small businesses / one man bands!

Quite.

Having said that, I found that being able to order more of one item at the same time at my (larger) suppliers can often net a somewhat higher trade discount that I would be able to share with 'group buy' customers, but if you think as much as 20 percent you're living in la la land. Think more in the range of 5% and that only goes for third party components/work that make up a 'kit', there's little or no economies in scale in bespoke fabrication work, just the need of doing the same thing 10 times!

[motul1974]

20% was just a notional figure. My point was better to have a lot of a little than less of a lot. Just my business head.

[Belle427]

Please lock this thread before my wallet starts twitching!

[ITVRI]

motul1974 said:

Just my business head.

My business head is telling me that now Powers has stopped selling their turbo kit and there are no other direct competitors, the price of the Torque V8 kit may increase?

Edited by ITVRI on Thursday 18th October 07:48

[macdeb]

spitfire4v8 said:

How much profit do you think is in a kit that a 20 percent reduction in the profit margin is going to make 9 extra people take up the offer where previously there was 1 ?

I think you misunderstand the profit margins of automotive small businesses / one man bands!

^^^^ This. 20%? If I were Eann, I'd be putting prices UP.

[Discopotatoes]

I'm still alive and in one piece

[Jhonno]

Stopping selling a kit because someone might be bad driver?! Surely there would be no repercussions on the company as long as they fitted it correctly etc?! They also continue to offer more powerful SP6 upgrades? Just sounds a bit bizarre..

[Classic Chim]

Maybe there’s not much call for it at Powers as Dom won’t do works if he thinks it will blow up 6 months down the line so a Turbo install at Powers is likely to be far more than just the price of Tubos and pipes. That said ive seen the look in his eyes when talking about how much torque can be achieved with a Turbo and it’s effects if untamed, it’s clearly a serious power hike.
I personally would feel very dubious about adding hundreds more of this power stuff on standard brakes and or the longer term effects on gearbox and diff but that’s not to say it’s a bad idea.
It’s probably about “bin there done that got the T shirt” now he can’t be bothered with it as it’s a big old job to get a Turbo install right first time.
If you went the full monty with a Turbo built car you’d probably have to include a modern Ecu as part of the spec so it can become very expensive stuff but in reality and big power gain like this is expensive so no more expensive than you’d expect. Home brews can be done on the cheap but only if you are something of an engine/ Ecu building expert or a very keen reader

[N7GTX]

Classic Chim said:

That said ive seen the look in his eyes when talking about how much torque can be achieved with a Turbo and it’s effects if untamed, it’s clearly a serious power hike.

^^^^ this. I've seen the figures posted on PH from those who have done turbo kits and while the BHP figures are broadly similar the torque isn't. If, as I understand it Powers figures are at the wheels, taking the torque from 230 to 481 is a huge jump and combined with a power increase from 203 to 355 BHP is very likely to catch out the unwary and the numpties.