"2017 Jaguar F-Type 2.0-litre diesel spotted testing"

"2017 Jaguar F-Type 2.0-litre diesel spotted testing"

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florian

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290 posts

273 months

Monday 7th November 2016
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-ja...

Oh my god, how ghastly is that.
In my opinion, a proper Jag (sports car) should neither be practical nor econmical. And of all things certainly not a Diesel!

tonys

1,080 posts

222 months

Monday 7th November 2016
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I thought the same when Mercedes launched the SLK 250CDi. Couldn't see a market for it.

I understand it's the best seller in the SLK / SLC range.

Probably why I'd be useless at marketing and don't understand half of their on-trend adverts biggrin

Dinoboy

2,494 posts

216 months

Monday 7th November 2016
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4 cylinder petrol sounds interesting though!

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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Should let them make it somewhat lighter.

V88Dicky

7,302 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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Imagine if you will the conversation in the company car park, it might go something like this; wink

Colleague: "Nice car Bob, just bought it?"

Bob: "Thanks mate, yes just got it delivered yesterday"

Colleague: "I love these, let's hear it then!"

Bob: "Ok, I'll start her up"

Whir.......... clatterclatterclatterdagdagdagdagdagdagdag....

Colleague: "Argh! My ears! Shut it off!"



hehe

fatboy b

9,492 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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florian said:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2017-ja...

Oh my god, how ghastly is that.
In my opinion, a proper Jag (sports car) should neither be practical nor econmical. And of all things certainly not a Diesel!
Why ghastly? And why ignore a huge potential market. Not everyone's cup of tea, but who cares? Some people really need to get over diesel.

jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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Oh sweet jesus no.

I guess the Cerbera will remain my sports car for the foreseeable future then. They didn't make a crappy little economy engine version of a Cerbera. Every single one you see is rip-your-face-off-fast. Just how a nice car should be.

Shame the F-Type shape will now be assumed to be a cheapskate's little wkmobile from 2017 onwards now.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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tonys said:
I thought the same when Mercedes launched the SLK 250CDi. Couldn't see a market for it.

I understand it's the best seller in the SLK / SLC range.

Probably why I'd be useless at marketing and don't understand half of their on-trend adverts biggrin

Aimed at the female market surely, just as the SLK? Most women wouldn't know or care what the engine was, IMO and experience.

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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REALIST123 said:
Aimed at the female market surely, just as the SLK?
Oh yes the car that some manager from MB commented at its launch was the sort of car a businessman might buy his mistress while he'd buy his wife an SL.
For the record, MrsB8 likes diesels, she likes all that torque.

Edited by a8hex on Wednesday 9th November 09:10

florian

Original Poster:

290 posts

273 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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Diesel sports cars in Germany (e.g. SLK, TT) cater for a different market in my opinion. Don't forget that the german manufacturers sell a huge amount of cars to companies as lease cars. Firstly, those are mostly Diesel powered due to Company policy and secondly, available at very competitieve rates (Jaguar isn't able to compete in Germany).

I have nothing against Diesel ins general. My company car is a BMW 2L Diesel with ZF auto. It's great, but it has zero (!) emotion. In contrast, a Jaguar sports car should be all about emotion and refinement. A straight four, be it a Diesel or a turbo gasoline engine, just doesn't cut it.

I might be "old school", but in my book neither a Diesel, nor a sportsback can be called a proper Jaguar. The just announced electric I-Pace is a different story, though: If Jaguar manages to offer superior creature comfort (especially autonomous driving, entertainment Systems, massive power), than it might work.

Simpo Two

85,149 posts

264 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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florian said:
(Jaguar isn't able to compete in Germany).
Would the weaker pound help address that or do Germans prefer to have German cars?

florian said:
I have nothing against Diesel ins general. My company car is a BMW 2L Diesel with ZF auto. It's great, but it has zero (!) emotion. In contrast, a Jaguar sports car should be all about emotion and refinement. A straight four, be it a Diesel or a turbo gasoline engine, just doesn't cut it.

I might be "old school", but in my book neither a Diesel, nor a sportsback can be called a proper Jaguar
I'd agree (and add electricity as well). William Lyons and Co would be horrified to know their beautiful cats have been turned into 3-Series BMWs. Slightly in Jaguar's defence though you can add fuel prices and layers of EU emissions legislation. VW is laying off 23,000 employees to save money after the cost of the emissions scandal which, morality aside, was a non-issue.

Domf

286 posts

154 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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Jaguar sells to a global market and many markets are closing off too large engine cars (Most main stream manufacturers are down sizing engines and turbo charging, as the only way they can maintain performance and adhere to stringent emissions various countries are introducing) , therefore the logical choice is to drop a smaller engine into the car.
Also as already pointed out many company cars have to meet eco-rules, as an offset to company green tax. Therefore a diesel f-TYPE with a low C02 is more appealing than a 5.0 V8 that costs a company their green credentials.

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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florian said:
I have nothing against Diesel ins general. My company car is a BMW 2L Diesel with ZF auto. It's great, but it has zero (!) emotion. In contrast, a Jaguar sports car should be all about emotion and refinement. A straight four, be it a Diesel or a turbo gasoline engine, just doesn't cut it.

I might be "old school", but in my book neither a Diesel, nor a sportsback can be called a proper Jaguar
Well Sir William had had the company try and make a 4 cylinder version of the XK engine and there was even a prototype XK100. It was only when it became apparent they could sell every XK120 they had any prospect of making that he dropped the plans for the cheaper version.

[edited due to quoting cock up]

Edited by a8hex on Saturday 19th November 01:02

Simpo Two

85,149 posts

264 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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Domf said:
Jaguar sells to a global market and many markets are closing off too large engine cars (Most main stream manufacturers are down sizing engines and turbo charging, as the only way they can maintain performance and adhere to stringent emissions various countries are introducing) , therefore the logical choice is to drop a smaller engine into the car.
Also as already pointed out many company cars have to meet eco-rules, as an offset to company green tax. Therefore a diesel f-TYPE with a low C02 is more appealing than a 5.0 V8 that costs a company their green credentials.
Sad isn't it.

But they could have kept them looking like Jaguars. I think Callum's run out out of steam.

esso

1,849 posts

216 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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jamieduff1981 said:
Oh sweet jesus no.

I guess the Cerbera will remain my sports car for the foreseeable future then. They didn't make a crappy little economy engine version of a Cerbera. Every single one you see is rip-your-face-off-fast. Just how a nice car should be.

Shame the F-Type shape will now be assumed to be a cheapskate's little wkmobile from 2017 onwards now.
Dont do it!....I bought a V6S Coupe F-Type....fantastic car,had it a year and did 8k miles in it....but its no substitute for a Cerb,glad to say I kept mine!

RingSpanner

103 posts

222 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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IMHO, I think Jaguar are making a big mistake with this smaller engine, despite any "green" aspirational credentials. I don't believe customers who purchase an F-type are hugely bothered about emissions and running costs, surely?

Far better for Jaguar to retain the F-type's market position, as is, and introduce a smaller "hairdresser" coupe with a little, twee engine fitted. That has to be the best way of broadening the marque's market appeal, and history has proven it to be the case on numerous occasions.
Can you imagine Mercedes floating a four-pot, two-litre in to their SL range? I doubt it.

They'll trash resale values of the larger engined F-types.

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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RingSpanner said:
IMHO, I think Jaguar are making a big mistake with this smaller engine, despite any "green" aspirational credentials. I don't believe customers who purchase an F-type are hugely bothered about emissions and running costs, surely?

Far better for Jaguar to retain the F-type's market position, as is, and introduce a smaller "hairdresser" coupe with a little, twee engine fitted. That has to be the best way of broadening the marque's market appeal, and history has proven it to be the case on numerous occasions.
Can you imagine Mercedes floating a four-pot, two-litre in to their SL range? I doubt it.

They'll trash resale values of the larger engined F-types.
Possibly, but I bet this is part of a bigger strategy: introduce the sports car with the 2 litre engine so the market gets used to it. Then release the same car with the same engine AND an electrical hybrid package. That is the future for 90% of car buyers, and JLR are onto it.

RingSpanner

103 posts

222 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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williamp said:
Possibly, but I bet this is part of a bigger strategy: introduce the sports car with the 2 litre engine so the market gets used to it. Then release the same car with the same engine AND an electrical hybrid package. That is the future for 90% of car buyers, and JLR are onto it.
Hybrid may be the future.
But, there's a time and a place for everything and I doubt the F-type is the car to do it with.
90% of car buyers don't spend upwards of £60K on a two-seater sports car, or am I missing something?

Rockmonkey

64 posts

93 months

Saturday 26th November 2016
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Diesels can be good. I quite like my 3.0 diesel XF but a small four cylinder diesel in the F Type is just all wrong.
I think diesel is coming to an end anyway, the government are hinting at big emissions tax on diesels. A four cylinder turbocharged petrol engine putting out ~300bhp makes a lot more sense.

erics

2,659 posts

210 months

Sunday 1st January 2017
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Maserati Ghibli diesel is the biggest seller of the range and has external / internal speakers to override sound to big petrol v8 sound......