No more Crackle and pops after update.

[chappj]

I recently test drove a V6s P380. The exhaust note and overrun pops and bangs in dynamic mode are the sole reason I’m now buying one (or a V8s). The alternative was going to be a Tesla M3P, but I came to the conclusion now is the last bastion for buying an ICE performance car with an engine/exhaust sound that I consider equally as pleasurable to whatever your musical genre might be... We’ll all be driving EV’s as a daily in 5-10yrs time so I feel it’s now or never.

It’s also worth noting that I wouldn’t buy such a car if you couldn’t turn off the loud noise at the touch of a button. It’s all about the right place right time.

For those of you having a pop (excuse the pun) at the OP; whatever your opinion is it really necessary to be quite so objectionable? If you are so offended by the characteristics of these cars and the people who drive them put your energy into lobbying your MP/MEP to get legislation changed to prevent manufacturers being able to produce such a product. The MY20 V8s still does this in dynamic mode.

[Pursyluv]

To the OP, I’d be fking fuming if Jag did this to me, if this is the future for these cars, I’ll be spending my money elsewhere

[LanceRS]

I’m astonished that people who object to loud sports cars have found their way here, Its almost as if they have deliberately gone searching for places just to have a good moan.
I too live in the countryside, decent cars are not an issue. The occasional cretins at 1am are. They are the problem, not the car.

Personally, I don’t like the artificial, software generated noises. Maybe that’s because I’m old enough to remember when there was a genuine, mechanical cause and they were more authentic.

However, when you buy a car, you do not expect it to have had its character changed by a dealer without your authority. Cars like this are bought with the heart, not the head, we buy them because of how they make us feel. This is no different to it coming back in ‘this years’ colour.

I assume that the update is just a generic software thing that comes on the new cars? In which case, surely someone with a laptop somewhere can put the noises back without effecting anything else? This is something that JLR or the dealer should be doing or paying to be done.

[Chamon_Lee]

bit of an odd thread, didnt see anywhere the OP asking for peoples opinions on the OEM noise of his exhaust!
I purchased a 981 Boxster S mainly for the noise and I would be livid if the dealer changed it without permission.

OP I don't think the dealer will do anything to change it back but it might be possible to ask an indy to put the old OEM software/map back on? I assume its just a simple map that can be over ridden - in that case to keep your warranty in tact could you just put the old one back on if the indy can get access to it.

[ddom]

Local BMW place told me once that they’d had an M3 in and routinely cleared all the codes and downloaded the latest update. Unfortunately this had amended the owners map (for mph limit etc)

Always struck me as rude. A dealer asks before he swaps any other component but not a map?

As for a bit of noise so many on here are just miserable gits, the guys in our local club have some right fruity sounding stuff, and good on them. Soon enough the whingers will get their way and we’ll have silence, no gearboxes or driving at all.

[davidd]

oakdale said:

I don't think popping and banging really suits a car like that and I'd guess Jaguar have realised most owners don't want it.

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This is completely wrong. Ftype v6 and v8's sound glorious. Look on the forums, a lot of people are very unhappy about their cars being made quieter.

[davidd]

OP, my 2016 v8 has the latest firmware and still makes the right noises. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was only 2018 cars and onwards that impacted the sound.

[beemarman]

davidd said:

OP, my 2016 v8 has the latest firmware and still makes the right noises. I'm sure I read somewhere that it was only 2018 cars and onwards that impacted the sound.

Not all software updates impact on the noise.

[FezSpider]

fesuvious said:

fk me,
Why are the illiberal woke snowflake Muppets hanging around here?

Is there no forum for the whiney wimpish poppets to gallantly virtue signal, revel in wokeness and arrange for collective circle jerks over an effigy of Greta?

Here, we love all that goes with being a car enthusiast. That might mean celebrating ludicrous mode on my hugely resource hungry built Tesla or indeed the bellow&growl from Dodge Hellcat.

OP I sympathize with you.

To those that think he is in anyway wrong, fk off and find a forum dedicated to pious woke illiberal snobbery.

100% this
Can be very much the same on the biker section to. To say this is a so called Petrol head forum, theres a lot of limp wristed righteous bed wetters on here
I dont buy my V8s and V twins because they sound like sewing machines. We will miss them when there gone well not all may be

Edited by FezSpider on Thursday 19th November 06:26

[angusfaldo]

Did OP get any kind of resolution for this?

I got fairly pally with my local main dealer who sold me my 2018 R AWD in the summer and ask him for the inside story on the rumours. I believed him when he replied that he'd not hard anything about a systematic/enforced software update designed to reduce noise levels in the V8s. If such an update was part of their programme then it would seem odd they sold me a car that still creates the full sound track.

[beemarman]

angusfaldo said:

Did OP get any kind of resolution for this?

I got fairly pally with my local main dealer who sold me my 2018 R AWD in the summer and ask him for the inside story on the rumours. I believed him when he replied that he'd not hard anything about a systematic/enforced software update designed to reduce noise levels in the V8s. If such an update was part of their programme then it would seem odd they sold me a car that still creates the full sound track.

JLR customer service is still adamant that the noise reduction was due to EU regulation. Unfortunately, due to Covid I haven't really been able to pursue this any further. I'm hoping to maybe take it further by going to see a solicitor once this is all over. Even the dealer that did the update was very surprised with the outcome. He said he's never had it happen before

[liner33]

beemarman said:

JLR customer service is still adamant that the noise reduction was due to EU regulation. Unfortunately, due to Covid I haven't really been able to pursue this any further. I'm hoping to maybe take it further by going to see a solicitor once this is all over. Even the dealer that did the update was very surprised with the outcome. He said he's never had it happen before

I have heard that "switchable modes" that allow a car to produce more noise has been outlawed by the EU , I assume JLR have written new software for new cars to comply with this without providing different software for older models , essentially they got lazy

[Jaguar steve]

FezSpider said:

fesuvious said:

fk me,
Why are the illiberal woke snowflake Muppets hanging around here?

Is there no forum for the whiney wimpish poppets to gallantly virtue signal, revel in wokeness and arrange for collective circle jerks over an effigy of Greta?

Here, we love all that goes with being a car enthusiast. That might mean celebrating ludicrous mode on my hugely resource hungry built Tesla or indeed the bellow&growl from Dodge Hellcat.

OP I sympathize with you.

To those that think he is in anyway wrong, fk off and find a forum dedicated to pious woke illiberal snobbery.

100% this
Can be very much the same on the biker section to. To say this is a so called Petrol head forum, theres a lot of limp wristed righteous bed wetters on here
I dont buy my V8s and V twins because they sound like sewing machines. We will miss them when there gone well not all may be

Edited by FezSpider on Thursday 19th November 06:26

Section 59 of the RTA permits vehicle seizure for anti-social vehicle use and specifically mentions excessive noise. The EU is legislating for a reduction in new vehicle noise limits from the current 74dB maximum to a lower limit of 68dB and at the same time will introduce far more stringent real-world test methodology to ensue vehicles fully comply under all operating conditions.

There's nothing anybody can do about either. Perhaps rather than hurling insults around on a inconsequential internet forum those with unnecessarily noisy exhausts and faked pops 'n bangs maps making a nuisance of themselves at all hours might be better off having a quiet think and see if they can work out exactly why those two pieces of legislation have been found necessary in the first place.

[Gameface]

Jaguar steve said:

Section 59 of the RTA permits vehicle seizure for anti-social vehicle use and specifically mentions excessive noise. The EU is legislating for a reduction in new vehicle noise limits from the current 74dB maximum to a lower limit of 68dB and at the same time will introduce far more stringent real-world test methodology to ensue vehicles fully comply under all operating conditions.

There's nothing anybody can do about either. Perhaps rather than hurling insults around on a inconsequential internet forum those with unnecessarily noisy exhausts and faked pops 'n bangs maps making a nuisance of themselves at all hours might be better off having a quiet think and see if they can work out exactly why those two pieces of legislation have been found necessary in the first place.

Quoting legislation.

[Jaguar steve]

Gameface said:

Jaguar steve said:

Section 59 of the RTA permits vehicle seizure for anti-social vehicle use and specifically mentions excessive noise. The EU is legislating for a reduction in new vehicle noise limits from the current 74dB maximum to a lower limit of 68dB and at the same time will introduce far more stringent real-world test methodology to ensue vehicles fully comply under all operating conditions.

There's nothing anybody can do about either. Perhaps rather than hurling insults around on a inconsequential internet forum those with unnecessarily noisy exhausts and faked pops 'n bangs maps making a nuisance of themselves at all hours might be better off having a quiet think and see if they can work out exactly why those two pieces of legislation have been found necessary in the first place.

Quoting legislation.

Why wouldn't you though?

Legislation in the statute book is a much sharper and far more effective tool than opinionated bhing on the internet.

[Gameface]

Yawn.

[angusfaldo]

beemarman said:

JLR customer service is still adamant that the noise reduction was due to EU regulation.

Have they forgotten about Brexit?

[FezSpider]

Jaguar steve said:

Section 59 of the RTA permits vehicle seizure for anti-social vehicle use and specifically mentions excessive noise. The EU is legislating for a reduction in new vehicle noise limits from the current 74dB maximum to a lower limit of 68dB and at the same time will introduce far more stringent real-world test methodology to ensue vehicles fully comply under all operating conditions.

There's nothing anybody can do about either. Perhaps rather than hurling insults around on a inconsequential internet forum those with unnecessarily noisy exhausts and faked pops 'n bangs maps making a nuisance of themselves at all hours might be better off having a quiet think and see if they can work out exactly why those two pieces of legislation have been found necessary in the first place.

I am sure some one must give a toss mate . I dont
One of my favourite saying of 2020 courtesy of Maverick (topgun 2)
" Its inevitable that your kind is heading for extinction" , in which he replies "maybe so sir, but not today".......not today

So now I will leave you with two sound bites of my unnecessary loud and obnoxious machines
https://youtu.be/PBmc_wjlw58
https://youtu.be/EUVYZDSwX34

Edited by FezSpider on Thursday 19th November 15:04

[LunarOne]

Jaguar steve said:

Gameface said:

Jaguar steve said:

Section 59 of the RTA permits vehicle seizure for anti-social vehicle use and specifically mentions excessive noise. The EU is legislating for a reduction in new vehicle noise limits from the current 74dB maximum to a lower limit of 68dB and at the same time will introduce far more stringent real-world test methodology to ensue vehicles fully comply under all operating conditions.

There's nothing anybody can do about either. Perhaps rather than hurling insults around on a inconsequential internet forum those with unnecessarily noisy exhausts and faked pops 'n bangs maps making a nuisance of themselves at all hours might be better off having a quiet think and see if they can work out exactly why those two pieces of legislation have been found necessary in the first place.

Quoting legislation.

Why wouldn't you though?

Legislation in the statute book is a much sharper and far more effective tool than opinionated bhing on the internet.

Because the legislation only applies to vehicles produced after the legislation goes into force. Vehicles are subject to the restrictions that were in force when they were produced. The question is therefore, was the OP's vehicle in breach of the relevant legislation that was in force at the time it was produced, or wasn't it? If it wasn't then the onus is on the manufacturer or their representative to correct the issue. If it was compliant, then the manufacturer has no business messing with the OP's private property.

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

FezSpider said:

am sure some one must give a toss mate . I dont
One of my favourite saying of 2020 courtesy of Maverick (topgun 2)
" Its inevitable that your kind is heading for extinction" , in which he replies "maybe so sir, but not today".......not today

So now I will leave you with two sound bites of my unnecessary loud and obnoxious machines
https://youtu.be/PBmc_wjlw58
https://youtu.be/EUVYZDSwX34

Edited by FezSpider on Thursday 19th November 15:04

That Ferrari sounds amazing!