F-Types - Astonishing Value!
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Hi All - I know there are loads of posts on this, but the price of really nice used F-Types seem to be very good value. I'm slightly miffed that mine is also therefore not worth as much as I would think it would be!! 
Not that it matters as I wouldnt sell it except to get another F...
Particularly when you compare it with much older 911s. Having been a previous 997 S owner (which I loved but which was much less reliable than the Jag has been) I was looking around for a Gen 2 997 to replace my 997 Gen 1. At the time, the earliest Gen 2s 2009/10 were late 30s early 40s for a 60-80k mileage C2 or maybe a C2S but they were all PDK. Manuals were very rare and I couldn't find one in budget. I started looking at F-Types having seen a nice red coupe at the garden centre, drove one and was hooked. I ended up buying a manual S, 2016 and 30k miles for just under GBP40k...this was in mid 2021. Being much newer, the interior and systems was much less dated than the 911. Beautiful outside...I don't think many people dislike or are unmoved by the Jag's looks. Power is roughly equivalent. 911 is probably a sharper drive...but the other factors on the jag make up for that I think.
Is this just Jaguar reliability worries keeping the values low?
J.
Not that it matters as I wouldnt sell it except to get another F...Particularly when you compare it with much older 911s. Having been a previous 997 S owner (which I loved but which was much less reliable than the Jag has been) I was looking around for a Gen 2 997 to replace my 997 Gen 1. At the time, the earliest Gen 2s 2009/10 were late 30s early 40s for a 60-80k mileage C2 or maybe a C2S but they were all PDK. Manuals were very rare and I couldn't find one in budget. I started looking at F-Types having seen a nice red coupe at the garden centre, drove one and was hooked. I ended up buying a manual S, 2016 and 30k miles for just under GBP40k...this was in mid 2021. Being much newer, the interior and systems was much less dated than the 911. Beautiful outside...I don't think many people dislike or are unmoved by the Jag's looks. Power is roughly equivalent. 911 is probably a sharper drive...but the other factors on the jag make up for that I think.
Is this just Jaguar reliability worries keeping the values low?
J.
jezzaaa said:
Hi All - I know there are loads of posts on this, but the price of really nice used F-Types seem to be very good value. I'm slightly miffed that mine is also therefore not worth as much as I would think it would be!! Not that it matters as I wouldnt sell it except to get another F...
Particularly when you compare it with much older 911s. Having been a previous 997 S owner (which I loved but which was much less reliable than the Jag has been) I was looking around for a Gen 2 997 to replace my 997 Gen 1. At the time, the earliest Gen 2s 2009/10 were late 30s early 40s for a 60-80k mileage C2 or maybe a C2S but they were all PDK. Manuals were very rare and I couldn't find one in budget. I started looking at F-Types having seen a nice red coupe at the garden centre, drove one and was hooked. I ended up buying a manual S, 2016 and 30k miles for just under GBP40k...this was in mid 2021. Being much newer, the interior and systems was much less dated than the 911. Beautiful outside...I don't think many people dislike or are unmoved by the Jag's looks. Power is roughly equivalent. 911 is probably a sharper drive...but the other factors on the jag make up for that I think.
Is this just Jaguar reliability worries keeping the values low?
J.
Given the excellence of the PDK gearbox , I am surprised you even considered a manual . The PDK equipped car is both quicker and for most People more desirable . I understand the traditionalists argument but who wants a slower Porsche ? I can only speak for 991 Gen 1 GTS which I currently have and I can tell you that it's built and finished to a standard Jaguar F Type Owners will never experience . It also drives far better than any F Type , the steering and handling is simply on another level especially the way it turns into a corner . That said , any Porsche Owner will be totally humiliated by an SVR in a straight line , the acceleration is completely staggering . Not that it matters as I wouldnt sell it except to get another F...Particularly when you compare it with much older 911s. Having been a previous 997 S owner (which I loved but which was much less reliable than the Jag has been) I was looking around for a Gen 2 997 to replace my 997 Gen 1. At the time, the earliest Gen 2s 2009/10 were late 30s early 40s for a 60-80k mileage C2 or maybe a C2S but they were all PDK. Manuals were very rare and I couldn't find one in budget. I started looking at F-Types having seen a nice red coupe at the garden centre, drove one and was hooked. I ended up buying a manual S, 2016 and 30k miles for just under GBP40k...this was in mid 2021. Being much newer, the interior and systems was much less dated than the 911. Beautiful outside...I don't think many people dislike or are unmoved by the Jag's looks. Power is roughly equivalent. 911 is probably a sharper drive...but the other factors on the jag make up for that I think.
Is this just Jaguar reliability worries keeping the values low?
J.
I dont know what you mean by Jaguar reliability worries , the F type as far as I have experienced has no reliability issues . I owned a V8 R and an SVR and had no trouble with either . I think the values are probably around where they ought to be . 2.0 F Types I think are unsellable and V6 completely pointless as a second hand buy .
reddiesel said:
Given the excellence of the PDK gearbox , I am surprised you even considered a manual . The PDK equipped car is both quicker and for most People more desirable . I understand the traditionalists argument but who wants a slower Porsche ? I can only speak for 991 Gen 1 GTS which I currently have and I can tell you that it's built and finished to a standard Jaguar F Type Owners will never experience . It also drives far better than any F Type , the steering and handling is simply on another level especially the way it turns into a corner . That said , any Porsche Owner will be totally humiliated by an SVR in a straight line , the acceleration is completely staggering .
I dont know what you mean by Jaguar reliability worries , the F type as far as I have experienced has no reliability issues . I owned a V8 R and an SVR and had no trouble with either . I think the values are probably around where they ought to be . 2.0 F Types I think are unsellable and V6 completely pointless as a second hand buy .
I have to disagree with some of these things Red...PDKs and autos are a subjective thing. You prefer them because they make the car faster. I don't because it's removing my involvement in driving it..similar reasons why I don't like EVs either. Takes all sorts. I don't know in depth about 991 because I've never owned one, but I have sat in them and poked around...and while there's certainly a margin of difference in quality as you suggest... it's not like the F is a badly built car. Certainly it is on a par with 997 build. And my 997 was always in the shop, so it was also unreliable...I dont know what you mean by Jaguar reliability worries , the F type as far as I have experienced has no reliability issues . I owned a V8 R and an SVR and had no trouble with either . I think the values are probably around where they ought to be . 2.0 F Types I think are unsellable and V6 completely pointless as a second hand buy .
I agree that the 911 handling is sharper...but it's also nowhere near the event to drive and look at that the Jags are...
I too have not had any problems with my F...but I think it's fair to say that JLR products don't enjoy a fantastic reliability rep. More so Landrover/Rangerover admittedly. That's what I was referring to.
As for the V6s being a completely pointless buy...I just think you're being silly/snobbish there! The V6 S is 375hp....your 991 GTS is 430hp...not going to be much in it really...4.4s vs 4.8s to 62mph? On that basis, anything less than a 991 Turbo will be pointless too, right??
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I have to disagree with some of these things Red...PDKs and autos are a subjective thing. You prefer them because they make the car faster. I don't because it's removing my involvement in driving it..similar reasons why I don't like EVs either. Takes all sorts. I don't know in depth about 991 because I've never owned one, but I have sat in them and poked around...and while there's certainly a margin of difference in quality as you suggest... it's not like the F is a badly built car. Certainly it is on a par with 997 build. And my 997 was always in the shop, so it was also unreliable...
I agree that the 911 handling is sharper...but it's also nowhere near the event to drive and look at that the Jags are...
I too have not had any problems with my F...but I think it's fair to say that JLR products don't enjoy a fantastic reliability rep. More so Landrover/Rangerover admittedly. That's what I was referring to.
As for the V6s being a completely pointless buy...I just think you're being silly/snobbish there! The V6 S is 375hp....your 991 GTS is 430hp...not going to be much in it really...4.4s vs 4.8s to 62mph? On that basis, anything less than a 991 Turbo will be pointless too, right??
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I freely said in my Post that I completely get the Traditionalist argument , I just dont agree with it and I dont believe most Porsche 991 Owners do either which is why most are Produced with this Gearbox .
I cant comment on your 997 build quality as I have never owned one but I dont believe there are many complaints about the 991 .
As regards the F Types being an event to drive I certainly think the SVR was . As regards looks personally I dont think there is much in it , in fact if we are talking about kerbside appeal and compliments I would say in my experience the 991 at least in Carmine Red possibly edges it .
Land Rover Products again I dont know about .This is a Jaguar Forum , you mentioned reliability as a possible reason for the poor money F Types are attracting and I gave my personal experience about the two models I have owned . Poor Resale Value and Jaguars tend to go hand in hand . I have owned around 14 various Jaguars over the years and none were an exception to this reality .
I dont believe I made any comparison with the Performance of the V6 S with any Porsche . What I did say was I considered it a pretty pointless buy and let me clarify this further . As a second hand buy the price differential is paltry to say the least . £35k will buy a V8 R with no more than 25,000 miles and a V6 at around the same money . I think its fair to say that the parity of these second hand prices renders the V6 pointless to many of us .
Nothing to do with foolishness nor snobbery just cost and what you get for it .
I have to disagree with some of these things Red...PDKs and autos are a subjective thing. You prefer them because they make the car faster. I don't because it's removing my involvement in driving it..similar reasons why I don't like EVs either. Takes all sorts. I don't know in depth about 991 because I've never owned one, but I have sat in them and poked around...and while there's certainly a margin of difference in quality as you suggest... it's not like the F is a badly built car. Certainly it is on a par with 997 build. And my 997 was always in the shop, so it was also unreliable...
I agree that the 911 handling is sharper...but it's also nowhere near the event to drive and look at that the Jags are...
I too have not had any problems with my F...but I think it's fair to say that JLR products don't enjoy a fantastic reliability rep. More so Landrover/Rangerover admittedly. That's what I was referring to.
As for the V6s being a completely pointless buy...I just think you're being silly/snobbish there! The V6 S is 375hp....your 991 GTS is 430hp...not going to be much in it really...4.4s vs 4.8s to 62mph? On that basis, anything less than a 991 Turbo will be pointless too, right??
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I freely said in my Post that I completely get the Traditionalist argument , I just dont agree with it and I dont believe most Porsche 991 Owners do either which is why most are Produced with this Gearbox .
I cant comment on your 997 build quality as I have never owned one but I dont believe there are many complaints about the 991 .
As regards the F Types being an event to drive I certainly think the SVR was . As regards looks personally I dont think there is much in it , in fact if we are talking about kerbside appeal and compliments I would say in my experience the 991 at least in Carmine Red possibly edges it .
Land Rover Products again I dont know about .This is a Jaguar Forum , you mentioned reliability as a possible reason for the poor money F Types are attracting and I gave my personal experience about the two models I have owned . Poor Resale Value and Jaguars tend to go hand in hand . I have owned around 14 various Jaguars over the years and none were an exception to this reality .
I dont believe I made any comparison with the Performance of the V6 S with any Porsche . What I did say was I considered it a pretty pointless buy and let me clarify this further . As a second hand buy the price differential is paltry to say the least . £35k will buy a V8 R with no more than 25,000 miles and a V6 at around the same money . I think its fair to say that the parity of these second hand prices renders the V6 pointless to many of us .
Nothing to do with foolishness nor snobbery just cost and what you get for it .
Edited by reddiesel on Wednesday 23 November 19:17
Thankfully you never said you were contemplating a V6 S or else I would have had to fetch my coat 😂
It’s a great car and as you say wonderful value for the money . We all buy what we like or can afford and I don’t doubt the V6 S is a good car . Personally I wouldn’t buy one new or used , like you the V8 is where my money would be every time
It’s a great car and as you say wonderful value for the money . We all buy what we like or can afford and I don’t doubt the V6 S is a good car . Personally I wouldn’t buy one new or used , like you the V8 is where my money would be every time
reddiesel said:
Thankfully you never said you were contemplating a V6 S or else I would have had to fetch my coat ??
It’s a great car and as you say wonderful value for the money . We all buy what we like or can afford and I don’t doubt the V6 S is a good car . Personally I wouldn’t buy one new or used , like you the V8 is where my money would be every time
Fair enough...the V8 misses for me because I can't get manual one. But I guess that's moot for you, Red It’s a great car and as you say wonderful value for the money . We all buy what we like or can afford and I don’t doubt the V6 S is a good car . Personally I wouldn’t buy one new or used , like you the V8 is where my money would be every time
What are you going to do long term , just hold onto the car ? Would the lack of a manual box be a deal breaker in any future purchase ? Personally in the SVR , apart from an initial toying with the Paddles I was more than happy with the sport button depressed and the Box left to its own devices .
reddiesel said:
What are you going to do long term , just hold onto the car ? Would the lack of a manual box be a deal breaker in any future purchase ? Personally in the SVR , apart from an initial toying with the Paddles I was more than happy with the sport button depressed and the Box left to its own devices .
It's something I've considered, yes...there may be little choice. And all these electronic nannies that the EU seem desperate to deploy on all new cars also puts me off anything new going forward. I guess I'll be limited to the BMWs, Jags and Porsches etc from the last few years where manuals in interesting cars were still available. Just bought a Caterham in kit form, and that I'll be keeping at the very least! 
Having sold my M5 earlier this year I bought a v6s - in my view (and to demonstrate how personal this is) the best f-type model to buy. The v8 can be over-powered in some scenarios, just adding more bhp doesn’t automatically make a car better. The v6s has a similar bhp and performance to the m5 and there are no situations on a uk road where I am lacking power or could fully use all the power I have, so extra power brings nothing extra to the game.
When I bought in February- I had been running a spreadsheet for 3 months comparing every single f-type for sale on dealer websites / PH / autotrader - and there is no way that at any point you could buy a v8 for the same price as a v6 - for my budget of £40k the v8 cars were either much older / much higher mileage / had other issues / were more expensive - so the v6 was the sweet spot.
As for the allegation above that it is unsaleable in 2.0 form and pointless in v6 form I think you will find that to be a view from someone who posts quite polemic views on the f-type - it was absolutely not evidenced by the tracking I did and which cars were moving by the fastest
As for comparison between jag and Porsche - I have driven a lot of both - they are all fantastic cars, but I prefer the looks of the jag (in my view one of the prettiest cars ever made) and I prefer the driving experience - yes the 911 might be technically more competent but the f-type gives me more of the driving experience I want - I prefer the cabin feel and the sounds and handling - it has a character that I feel the 911 lacks - the Porsche interior is too bland and Germanic for me, the jag is like slipping into a well worn pair of churches for the weekend - or going to the club… very British and beautifully designed and put together…
When I bought in February- I had been running a spreadsheet for 3 months comparing every single f-type for sale on dealer websites / PH / autotrader - and there is no way that at any point you could buy a v8 for the same price as a v6 - for my budget of £40k the v8 cars were either much older / much higher mileage / had other issues / were more expensive - so the v6 was the sweet spot.
As for the allegation above that it is unsaleable in 2.0 form and pointless in v6 form I think you will find that to be a view from someone who posts quite polemic views on the f-type - it was absolutely not evidenced by the tracking I did and which cars were moving by the fastest
As for comparison between jag and Porsche - I have driven a lot of both - they are all fantastic cars, but I prefer the looks of the jag (in my view one of the prettiest cars ever made) and I prefer the driving experience - yes the 911 might be technically more competent but the f-type gives me more of the driving experience I want - I prefer the cabin feel and the sounds and handling - it has a character that I feel the 911 lacks - the Porsche interior is too bland and Germanic for me, the jag is like slipping into a well worn pair of churches for the weekend - or going to the club… very British and beautifully designed and put together…
EVOTECH3BELL said:
I haven't bought yet and its just a goal for next year at the minute but I'd consider the V6.
The main issue for me is...that the V8 exists.
Although I've not driven either so can't comment on which is the best car.
I just want to tick the V8 box before we arn't allowed
A good reason - a V8 engine is fantastic as the heart of a car...The main issue for me is...that the V8 exists.
Although I've not driven either so can't comment on which is the best car.
I just want to tick the V8 box before we arn't allowed
I am lucky to have had one in the M5 and still to have a bespoke hand built one in the classic RR.
If you haven't yet, drive both though, they do drive differently.
You simply cannot get an F type other than the V8!
You often see comments where people argue the V6 is the one to have, better balance, enough power, reasonable running costs etc. But there's one thing that they all fail to acknowledge, and that is the absolute unrivalled chaos, drama and performance that the V8 R provides. In AWD form there really isn't much faster or dramatic on the road in real world conditions.
Get an early F Type R AWD before they strangled them to death with filters and it really is the last raw ballistic missile of a generation. They won't be making cars like that ever again.
Yes the V6S has plenty of power and is a fantastic car but you're getting all the negatives of the F type and less of the positives. The XK 5.0 as an alternative has more power ,379bhp 515Nm, 380ft-lb vs 374 bhp 460 Nm, 339 ft-lb, and has more grace, space and pace. Best of all, it's literally half the price of a V6S F Type. Better still get a 5.0 XKR and they're only £19k and more car than you can shake a stick at. Much more reliable than an F type too.
Nobody with a V8 ever wishes they bought a V6. You can't say that the other way round.
You often see comments where people argue the V6 is the one to have, better balance, enough power, reasonable running costs etc. But there's one thing that they all fail to acknowledge, and that is the absolute unrivalled chaos, drama and performance that the V8 R provides. In AWD form there really isn't much faster or dramatic on the road in real world conditions.
Get an early F Type R AWD before they strangled them to death with filters and it really is the last raw ballistic missile of a generation. They won't be making cars like that ever again.
Yes the V6S has plenty of power and is a fantastic car but you're getting all the negatives of the F type and less of the positives. The XK 5.0 as an alternative has more power ,379bhp 515Nm, 380ft-lb vs 374 bhp 460 Nm, 339 ft-lb, and has more grace, space and pace. Best of all, it's literally half the price of a V6S F Type. Better still get a 5.0 XKR and they're only £19k and more car than you can shake a stick at. Much more reliable than an F type too.
Nobody with a V8 ever wishes they bought a V6. You can't say that the other way round.
Vocht said:
You simply cannot get an F type other than the V8!
You often see comments where people argue the V6 is the one to have, better balance, enough power, reasonable running costs etc. But there's one thing that they all fail to acknowledge, and that is the absolute unrivalled chaos, drama and performance that the V8 R provides. In AWD form there really isn't much faster or dramatic on the road in real world conditions.
Get an early F Type R AWD before they strangled them to death with filters and it really is the last raw ballistic missile of a generation. They won't be making cars like that ever again.
Yes the V6S has plenty of power and is a fantastic car but you're getting all the negatives of the F type and less of the positives. The XK 5.0 as an alternative has more power ,379bhp 515Nm, 380ft-lb vs 374 bhp 460 Nm, 339 ft-lb, and has more grace, space and pace. Best of all, it's literally half the price of a V6S F Type. Better still get a 5.0 XKR and they're only £19k and more car than you can shake a stick at. Much more reliable than an F type too.
Nobody with a V8 ever wishes they bought a V6. You can't say that the other way round.
I've got a 5.0 XKR (for sale on PH if anyone's looking!) and test drove a V6S F-type last year. On paper the performance doesn't look hugely different - 0-62 times are 0.2s different. In reality they were leagues apart, I expected the F to feel somewhat less brisk but nothing like as slow as it felt. It did, however, sound lovely - I've never really thought the supercharged Jag V8 engines sounded that good, they lack that muscular, brutish roar (which funnily enough the naturally-aspirated versions do have). If the V6S had felt brisk I'd probably have gone for it, on strength of adequate performance, sound and cheaper running costs.You often see comments where people argue the V6 is the one to have, better balance, enough power, reasonable running costs etc. But there's one thing that they all fail to acknowledge, and that is the absolute unrivalled chaos, drama and performance that the V8 R provides. In AWD form there really isn't much faster or dramatic on the road in real world conditions.
Get an early F Type R AWD before they strangled them to death with filters and it really is the last raw ballistic missile of a generation. They won't be making cars like that ever again.
Yes the V6S has plenty of power and is a fantastic car but you're getting all the negatives of the F type and less of the positives. The XK 5.0 as an alternative has more power ,379bhp 515Nm, 380ft-lb vs 374 bhp 460 Nm, 339 ft-lb, and has more grace, space and pace. Best of all, it's literally half the price of a V6S F Type. Better still get a 5.0 XKR and they're only £19k and more car than you can shake a stick at. Much more reliable than an F type too.
Nobody with a V8 ever wishes they bought a V6. You can't say that the other way round.
Having said that, I'd love to drive one with the pulley upgrade, ECU and transmission remaps...
8bit said:
I've got a 5.0 XKR (for sale on PH if anyone's looking!) and test drove a V6S F-type last year. On paper the performance doesn't look hugely different - 0-62 times are 0.2s different. In reality they were leagues apart, I expected the F to feel somewhat less brisk but nothing like as slow as it felt. It did, however, sound lovely - I've never really thought the supercharged Jag V8 engines sounded that good, they lack that muscular, brutish roar (which funnily enough the naturally-aspirated versions do have). If the V6S had felt brisk I'd probably have gone for it, on strength of adequate performance, sound and cheaper running costs.
Having said that, I'd love to drive one with the pulley upgrade, ECU and transmission remaps...
I'm not really that surprised that a supercharged 5.0 V8 XKR is much quicker than a Supercharged 3.0 V6 F-Type...Having said that, I'd love to drive one with the pulley upgrade, ECU and transmission remaps...
I think the pulley upgrade/ECU remap only pushes it from 375 to 400 hp. So I would imagine it won't make that much difference...
jezzaaa said:
I'm not really that surprised that a supercharged 5.0 V8 XKR is much quicker than a Supercharged 3.0 V6 F-Type...
I think the pulley upgrade/ECU remap only pushes it from 375 to 400 hp. So I would imagine it won't make that much difference...
I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised either, but the V6S is quoted at 4.8s 0-62 and a 5.0 XKR is quoted at 4.6s IIRC so something in the figures doesn't stack up.I think the pulley upgrade/ECU remap only pushes it from 375 to 400 hp. So I would imagine it won't make that much difference...
From what I've read a pulley and map can yield around 460bhp. The F-Type 400 Sport gets it's extra output only from ECU mapping.
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