Any Jag owners out there?

Any Jag owners out there?

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bobfrance

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1,323 posts

237 months

Tuesday 4th February 2003
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Hmm, had a play in a 4.0 Facelift XJS yesterday (hard-top tho').

Gotta say the build quality and the solidity felt absolutely superb. especially compared to my TVR (sad but true).

I can certainly imagine going trans-European in one of these.

Anyone know what the later convertibles are like for comfort/warmth/wind noise etc?

ford prefect

159 posts

239 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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esv683 said: just sold a griff 500 and replaced it with an XKR complete with paramount exhaust it sounds as good if not better.It drives well and i am pleased with the performance BUT dont turn off the traction control


Glad to see I have a kindred spirit.......I recently totalled my Chim 450 and I have just bought a four year old XKR (Tuesday). Enjoying the refined luxury and great performance but missing one or two aspects of the hairy arsed muscle cars (TVR).

V12Bob

646 posts

218 months

Tuesday 19th August 2003
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I have a 1989 5.3 V12 XJS Convertible used only when the sunshines, which is every weekend at the moment!
69000 miles. I drive a Merc everyday, the Jag is pure magic,there realy is nothing to compare with the beast.

bobfrance

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1,323 posts

237 months

Tuesday 19th August 2003
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V12Bob said:
I have a 1989 5.3 V12 XJS Convertible used only when the sunshines, which is every weekend at the moment!
69000 miles. I drive a Merc everyday, the Jag is pure magic,there realy is nothing to compare with the beast.

Excellent! Another Bob with a V12.

I recently bought myself a 1992 6 Litre XJR-S (see profile) and I love it.

Hairy Cornflake

631 posts

221 months

Tuesday 19th August 2003
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Hi All

I run a couple of Jags along with the Chimaera. I have a 93 5.3 V12 XJS and a 96 XJR, both are lovely cars for different reasons. The V12 is so smooth and plush to drive, where the XJR is a touch more sporty and agressive. Both are fun to drive.

HC

bobfrance

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1,323 posts

237 months

Tuesday 19th August 2003
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I just done a couple of trips to Devon and back in mine, and I've gotta say they really eat the miles.

The last trip took me ten hours (queing) and it was baking hot
There are some things I miss about my old TVR, but I wouldn't have wanted to do a journey like that in anything else but the Jag.

Here's a pic of mine...

www.hillsideprint.com/Pics/XJR-S%20Small.JPG

As for fuel consumption - I just tell people "It always costs more to travel first class"

>> Edited by bobfrance on Tuesday 19th August 18:53

silverback mike

11,125 posts

223 months

Tuesday 19th August 2003
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What a smasher Bob.

bobfrance

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237 months

Tuesday 19th August 2003
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Cheers Mike!

I know a few people on this forum have voiced displeasure with their Jags - and I really can't speak for the newer ones - but my old monster feels to be bomb proof.

It's done 96K and my mechanic has maintained it from new (I'm only it's second owner ) and says it runs like a Swiss watch. in fact he insists on buying it off me if I sell it.

One unexpected change is that during TVR ownership I grew used to kids gathering around the car. But since buying the Jag I noticed I now get old people poking around and peering through the windows; leaving Bovril fingerprints on the windows and shortbread crumbs on the bonnet.

Little buggers!

silverback mike

11,125 posts

223 months

Saturday 23rd August 2003
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Hi Bob.
I have really been contemplating a Jaguar (may have seen the thread). An XJS is really a wild card choice. I have a dilemma... Sell the old bus, a 325 touring, spend more and get an XJ Sport.
Or, Keep the old thing (which has never puts a foot wrong in nearly 200k) and buy a TVR S2 as well.
This is in addition to my wifes sensible Seat Leon.
I am usually pretty good at making decisions, not this time though!
Guess I need to chew it over some more.
Saying that, I was mightily impressed with your XJS.
Mike.

unrepentant

20,359 posts

226 months

Saturday 23rd August 2003
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Mike

I had a '92 (facelift) XJS 4.0 from new as a company car and ran it for 2 1/2 years / 75k miles. Apart from stupid niggles like the door not being hung properly, causing it to leak on my feet when it rained, it was a great motorway cruiser.

While TWR were dealing with the niggles they lent me their black 6.0 XJR-S and I nipped up to Newcastle from Oxford in it. Awesome!

I think the later model XJS is a fantastic bargain at the moment.

Paul

Bobfrance

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237 months

Saturday 23rd August 2003
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Mike,

I totally understand your dilemma.
TVR's do feel special, but I found mine lacked in both solidity and reliability and as my only car that was a problem. (to be fair it was pretty well sorted & reliable by the time I sold it, but I never felt able to trust it, if you know what I mean)

I thought about keeping one as a second car but I'm trying to save money and lack garage space.
If I did I would go for an S (probably an S3) since they're cheap & cheerful to run (no offence intended to S owners) and offer loads of driving pleasure, if not comfort.

I opted for the Jag because I wanted an interesting compromise - A solid car I could use all year round, but something still a little different and exclusive.
So far I have not been dissapointed.

I agree with Unrepentant; XJS's (and the older XJ 300 series) are a real bargain at the moment.
I sold my 400SE, bought the XJR-S and had almost a grand left over!

I had a love hate relationship with my TVRs (I'm sure this is common to most owners of older TVRs), but I can honestly say there is nothing I hate about the Jag. Maybe I don't love it quite as much, but we've never had a cross word

In an ideal world I'd keep my Jag and have a TVR too for those sunny days...

...or then again I could buy an XJS convertable

sheepy

3,164 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th August 2003
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I've got an '86 XJS (3.6l) as one of two cars I run daily. She needed lots of TLC to get her back on the road due to tin worm and being dumped in a shed for six or seven months, but I love her to bits (dodgy electrics and waterleaks included).

She's a thirsty girl, but with all that power on tap, the smiles make up for it (not sure how long my license will stay clean though ).

Sheepy

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silverback mike

11,125 posts

223 months

Monday 25th August 2003
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Sheepy,
The 3.6, do you think that is the best option for an xjs.
I must admit, due to them being as cheap as they are, I quite fancy buying one that looks a bit nasty just for a chuckle until it reaches the point of no return to curb my curiosity.
Are they really really thirsty or just thirsty.
My problem is that my old beemer is too reliable.
Mike.

sheepy

3,164 posts

219 months

Monday 25th August 2003
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silverback mike said:
Sheepy,
The 3.6, do you think that is the best option for an xjs.


Depends what you're after. The V-12 has more power and surprising isn't much poorer on mpg. However you do have to lug an extra six cylinders about, you need twelve of everything on consumables (pluges, leads etc), and due to their "interesting" coolant arrangement, the V-12 does suffer overheating issues.

I chose the six because lighter front-end does make for a better handling car. There's also room under the bonnet to work, and the engine looks less daunting than the "minature nuclear reactor" that is the V-12.

silverback mike said:
I must admit, due to them being as cheap as they are, I quite fancy buying one that looks a bit nasty just for a chuckle until it reaches the point of no return to curb my curiosity.


That's where I started, an alcohol-induced conversation with the wife when we were re-mortgaging lead to us taking a couple of grand out of the house and "splashing out" on one. I chose one which looked OK, but fell for the "if it looks too good to be true, it's probably got something hidden". Mine had extensive rust arround the rear suspension mount and into the sill and wheelarch. This was expertly covered in fibreglass and painted in underseal. It took six months of hard graft to get her on the road again, but I don't regret one minute of it.


silverback mike said:
Are they really really thirsty or just thirsty.


Depends on what you regard as thirsty. I get about 15 to 18 mpg, but I do need to do some work on the engine (as soon as I get this bl**dy project at work finished!!). If I boot it hard, I can manage single figures. The previous owner managed 22-25 but he never let the revs go over 2500 (That's my minimum!!!)

silverback mike said:
My problem is that my old beemer is too reliable.
Mike.


And where's the fun in that? To my mind, there's no sound quite like an XK engine at full throttle.

I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you want to talk more about specific things to look for.

Sheepy

Bobfrance

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1,323 posts

237 months

Monday 25th August 2003
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Get a post '91 facelifted model if you can run to it.

They're galavanised and I'm yet to see a rusty one.
Mine doesn't have a spot of rust on it, and I've had a pretty good poke around.

I've got to admit, one of the reasons I went for the V12 was because it's so immense. It's the only engine that made me giggle like an idiot just to look at it.

No cooling problems either; I spent five hours in traffic jams on the M5 on the hottest day of the year, with the aircon on full chat and it barely went over the half way mark.

I can't stress enough just how well sorted the facelifted cars seem to be.
I also think they look a bit better too (the more rounded bits, different rear lights, no window-frames on the doors etc.) but of course that just down personal prefference.

silverback mike

11,125 posts

223 months

Monday 25th August 2003
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Thanks chaps.
Bob - I don't think the budget will stretch to a facelifted model unfortunately.
Sheepy - Ta for the info, I will have a look around and if I have any questions I will get in touch.
I am waiting for the old beemer to turn turtle. Problem is, even at nearly 200k the thing goes like a rocket, sounds good and just doesn't put a foot wrong.
I must be mad.
There is something about an XJS that intrigues me. Most of my colleagues think I am absolutely barmy.
But then again, life would be boring if we were all the same!!
Regards.
Mike.

sheepy

3,164 posts

219 months

Monday 25th August 2003
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Bobfrance said:
They're galavanised and I'm yet to see a rusty one.
Mine doesn't have a spot of rust on it, and I've had a pretty good poke around.


Even the later cars (pre-facelift) had better protection than the mid-eighties (and earlier) cars. Mind you, they all suffered from leaks round the rear windscreen and rear-side windows. I cut a large section out of a '90 car for use in repairing mine, and was surprised to find a lot of water in a recess under the rear-speaker. (This car had been written off by an uncontained engine fire and was going to be crushed).

Bobfrance said:
No cooling problems either; I spent five hours in traffic jams on the M5 on the hottest day of the year, with the aircon on full chat and it barely went over the half way mark.


And there-in lies the problem. The temperature sensor is located in one bank of the engine, and this happens to be the cooler of the two banks. Thus you think the engine temp is OK, but in reality, half the engine is a fair bit hotter than you think. It's OK as long as the needle doesn't rise above halfway, but just a short time of sitting idling, and then temperature climbs. To be honest though, this is more of an issue in hotter climates where the "normal" idle is above halfway, but (especially in the summer) it can be an issue in the UK. From what I understand, some engines are prone to being affected, whereas others seem immune, unfortunately the first you'll know is when a valve-seat drops and the engine chews itself up! Guys I know from "jaglovers" have sucessfully modified the cooling system to either monitor both banks or by fitting lower temp stats, keep the hotter bank from getting too hot.

Sheepy

>> Edited by sheepy on Monday 25th August 20:40

Bobfrance

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237 months

Monday 25th August 2003
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sheepy said:
To be honest though, this is more of an issue in hotter climates where the "normal" idle is above halfway, but (especially in the summer) it can be an issue in the UK. From what I understand, some engines are prone to being affected, whereas others seem immune, unfortunately the first you'll know is when a valve-seat drops and the engine chews itself up! Guys I know from "jaglovers" have sucessfully modified the cooling system to either monitor both banks or by fitting lower temp stats, keep the hotter bank from getting too hot.

Sheepy


An interesting point, but I don't scare that easily!

You forget I live in chilly Manchester, I'm more worried about it being nicked by scallies!

But on a serious note. At 96K with a (genuine) FSH and on it's original engine, I'm not too worried.
I gave up worrying when I sold my TVR.

And you can't deny they are bloody good engines.

sheepy

3,164 posts

219 months

Tuesday 26th August 2003
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Bobfrance said:

And you can't deny they are bloody good engines.


Aside from the potential overheat, both the six and twelve engines are bullet-proof. Very few need any major work before they've clocked up 150K+ miles. Keep the oil changes regular, and you'll have many happy (s)miles of motoring.

Sheepy

Hairy Cornflake

631 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th August 2003
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silverback mike said:
Thanks chaps.
Bob - I don't think the budget will stretch to a facelifted model unfortunately.
Sheepy - Ta for the info, I will have a look around and if I have any questions I will get in touch.
I am waiting for the old beemer to turn turtle. Problem is, even at nearly 200k the thing goes like a rocket, sounds good and just doesn't put a foot wrong.
I must be mad.
There is something about an XJS that intrigues me. Most of my colleagues think I am absolutely barmy.
But then again, life would be boring if we were all the same!!
Regards.
Mike.


I have my 93 V12 up for sale, 5K, looking for a good owner to give it the TLC it deserves, if you are interested mail me, I will show you the photos, not a concours car but a good one.

HC