VW TDI Emissions Software 'Fix'
Discussion
Why take the risk, when you are not obliged to. I've signed the disclaimer at the dealership and it won't be getting done toy car in my ownership.
If you do get it done though, VW will furnish you with a keyring, thermal flask cup and a pen. The guys in the US must be really envious as they only got a few thousand dollars:-)
If you do get it done though, VW will furnish you with a keyring, thermal flask cup and a pen. The guys in the US must be really envious as they only got a few thousand dollars:-)
I've got my letter in, assuring me that independent experts confirm there will be no loss of power, performance, economy, yadda yadda. All with that imposing DVSA logo (is a heraldic device a logo?). However, there's no mention of the fix on DVSA's web site that I can find, so is it an official recall or not?
Regardless of all that, there's no offer of whisky or weathergirls, so I ain't biting.
Regardless of all that, there's no offer of whisky or weathergirls, so I ain't biting.
jingars said:
tigger1 said:
I've had my letter asking me to book a slot to get my A5 "sorted". Can't say I'm going to be rushing to make a special trip to get it done.
ETA: it passed it's MOT last year with no emissions issues, so not overly bothered about getting it done.
ETA: it passed it's MOT last year with no emissions issues, so not overly bothered about getting it done.
Perfectly serious - it's a problem for VW / Audi etc, not me. Legally my car's emmissions are (currently) fine, and will likely continue to be. Audi / VW need to change it because they sold a car in a state that legally they were not allowed to.
As somebody else said, good whisky and bad weathergirls, or they can leave my car alone thanks.
I saw this post on Facebook by the tuning company CC-Tuning, hope it's helpful:
"What you need to know about the 2.0crdi emission update.
I have been looking into the changes between the old maps and the new maps and found that on mid throttle with the new emission software update VAG have increased the rail pressure mid range around 2000rpm by as much as 4500m/bar. What they are trying to do is create a better burn in the combustion chamber. However this can cause pinking low down and we have heard reports of engine faults after the software installed.
Also those of you who have had the dpf removed can notice unburnt fuel from the exhaust due to inefficient burn.
Personally I think that this should be revised and I would think twice before going back for the update.
Overall there should be no power loss at peak compared with the previous version of software.
I can also see the section for the cheat code has been erased as well as other axis adjusted."
"What you need to know about the 2.0crdi emission update.
I have been looking into the changes between the old maps and the new maps and found that on mid throttle with the new emission software update VAG have increased the rail pressure mid range around 2000rpm by as much as 4500m/bar. What they are trying to do is create a better burn in the combustion chamber. However this can cause pinking low down and we have heard reports of engine faults after the software installed.
Also those of you who have had the dpf removed can notice unburnt fuel from the exhaust due to inefficient burn.
Personally I think that this should be revised and I would think twice before going back for the update.
Overall there should be no power loss at peak compared with the previous version of software.
I can also see the section for the cheat code has been erased as well as other axis adjusted."
In the USA they are getting a far more generous compensation, but then they always get a better deal.
IIRC they are (at least in some cases) entitled to a full refund of the purchase price of the affected vehicle despite it's age and even condition.
I've seen links to people returning 'stripped' (with many valuable parts being kept for sale on ebay etc.) cars to VW for a full refund, the only stipulation being that the car must be a runner.
If VW want to continue selling in the USA they must do this.
IIRC they are (at least in some cases) entitled to a full refund of the purchase price of the affected vehicle despite it's age and even condition.
I've seen links to people returning 'stripped' (with many valuable parts being kept for sale on ebay etc.) cars to VW for a full refund, the only stipulation being that the car must be a runner.
If VW want to continue selling in the USA they must do this.
FRMATT said:
I saw this post on Facebook by the tuning company CC-Tuning, hope it's helpful:
"What you need to know about the 2.0crdi emission update.
I have been looking into the changes between the old maps and the new maps and found that on mid throttle with the new emission software update VAG have increased the rail pressure mid range around 2000rpm by as much as 4500m/bar. What they are trying to do is create a better burn in the combustion chamber. However this can cause pinking low down and we have heard reports of engine faults after the software installed.
Also those of you who have had the dpf removed can notice unburnt fuel from the exhaust due to inefficient burn.
Personally I think that this should be revised and I would think twice before going back for the update.
Overall there should be no power loss at peak compared with the previous version of software.
I can also see the section for the cheat code has been erased as well as other axis adjusted."
4500mbar is only 4.5bar, the fuel systems run around 1400bar in these cars. I'm running 1900 in mine!"What you need to know about the 2.0crdi emission update.
I have been looking into the changes between the old maps and the new maps and found that on mid throttle with the new emission software update VAG have increased the rail pressure mid range around 2000rpm by as much as 4500m/bar. What they are trying to do is create a better burn in the combustion chamber. However this can cause pinking low down and we have heard reports of engine faults after the software installed.
Also those of you who have had the dpf removed can notice unburnt fuel from the exhaust due to inefficient burn.
Personally I think that this should be revised and I would think twice before going back for the update.
Overall there should be no power loss at peak compared with the previous version of software.
I can also see the section for the cheat code has been erased as well as other axis adjusted."
I guess he means 4500PSI as that would be about right.
But he is right in saying that, better rail pressure generally results in better atomisation of the fuel.
The good thing is with diesel is you can run them as lean as you like on part throttle with no real issues.
Someone above mentioned Quantum remaps - Avoid. There are far, far better places out there.
The link about UK owners seeking compensation makes me laugh. I certainly am not going to sue VW or push for money. If they wrote to me and said "Sorry, here's £1500" I'd say thank you very much but I'm certainly not going to sue them. I'm not American.
Regarding America, VW and courts ruled AGAINST the owner who basically gave VW a running shell back (no doors, no interior, no bonnet / boot). Cars have to be returned in good faith as they would have been on the road.
Maybe swap out your nice 18 inch alloys for a set of cheap steelies is one thing, but giving them a stripped car back will result in an unhappy owner not getting a penny!.
Edited by xjay1337 on Monday 9th January 11:49
xjay1337 said:
The link about UK owners seeking compensation makes me laugh. I certainly am not going to sue VW or push for money. If they wrote to me and said "Sorry, here's £1500" I'd say thank you very much but I'm certainly not going to sue them. I'm not American.
We've got an EU6 VW Tiguan so it's supposedly unaffected by the emissions issue (although they lied about its AdBlue consumption) so we probably wouldn't qualify anyway, however its value has been significantly impacted, both directly as it's a VW, and by the overall market turn against diesel that VW's cheating has brought to people's attention.So I'd welcome VW bunging me some money, and I'd be thinking more of £5K than £1500.
Sheepshanks said:
xjay1337 said:
The link about UK owners seeking compensation makes me laugh. I certainly am not going to sue VW or push for money. If they wrote to me and said "Sorry, here's £1500" I'd say thank you very much but I'm certainly not going to sue them. I'm not American.
We've got an EU6 VW Tiguan so it's supposedly unaffected by the emissions issue (although they lied about its AdBlue consumption) so we probably wouldn't qualify anyway, however its value has been significantly impacted, both directly as it's a VW, and by the overall market turn against diesel that VW's cheating has brought to people's attention.So I'd welcome VW bunging me some money, and I'd be thinking more of £5K than £1500.
I also admit I am not a trader and don't track values. So I may well be talking BS.
I recently sold my Dad's Octavia VRS CR170 (59 plate) with 100k for a shade under £7k.
He bought it 2 years ago for £9500 from a trader with around 55-60k on it. I think that's reasonable depreciation?
Other VW TDI's (Sciroccos, Golfs, Jettas etc) seem to be falling in line again with reasonable depreciation.
I strongly suspect that 90% of your typical day to day owners don't actually care!
The 10% are the crazy "I BOUGHT THIS BECAUSE IT'S KIND TO THE ENVIRONMENT" type, who will say anything!
xjay1337 said:
I have to admit, I don't think the cars values are plummeting at all.
It's obviously not an exact science, but ours is Sept 15 Tiguan Match 150PS 4Motion DSG. At the time I bought it (literally a few days before the emissions announcement) WBAC prices on the 3yr old equivalent were around £16K. Now on 3yr old cars they're £12K. I'd have been better off leasing the car than buying it.Sheepshanks said:
It's obviously not an exact science, but ours is Sept 15 Tiguan Match 150PS 4Motion DSG. At the time I bought it (literally a few days before the emissions announcement) WBAC prices on the 3yr old equivalent were around £16K. Now on 3yr old cars they're £12K. I'd have been better off leasing the car than buying it.
That doesn't take into account that a new model is now out which will have hit values a fair bitSteBrown91 said:
That doesn't take into account that a new model is now out which will have hit values a fair bit
Well, the price takes everything into account. However I'm doubtful that the new model, which is really only just getting going, would have an impact on 3yr old values yet. It'll be more of an issue when ours is 3yrs old as used versions of the new model will coming onto the market off 2yr leases etc.
Sheepshanks said:
Well, the price takes everything into account.
However I'm doubtful that the new model, which is really only just getting going, would have an impact on 3yr old values yet. It'll be more of an issue when ours is 3yrs old as used versions of the new model will coming onto the market off 2yr leases etc.
It's a trickle down effect though. The new model coming means bigger discounts on new outgoing models, which impacts used values etc etc.However I'm doubtful that the new model, which is really only just getting going, would have an impact on 3yr old values yet. It'll be more of an issue when ours is 3yrs old as used versions of the new model will coming onto the market off 2yr leases etc.
I have a 2013 (63) scirocco GT 2.0tdi 140 DSG and had the emissions fix done late 2016. Ever since then it seems to go into dpf regen mode every 150-200 miles. Has anyone else had this problem? I understand the regen is to clear the dpf but I do 60 miles a day on the dual carriageway so not exactly town traffic, and it never did it before. Slightly disconcerting pulling up at home in sub zero temperatures with a a hurrendous burning smell and fan going for 5 mins!!
Imjamesbtw said:
I have a 2013 (63) scirocco GT 2.0tdi 140 DSG and had the emissions fix done late 2016. Ever since then it seems to go into dpf regen mode every 150-200 miles. Has anyone else had this problem? I understand the regen is to clear the dpf but I do 60 miles a day on the dual carriageway so not exactly town traffic, and it never did it before. Slightly disconcerting pulling up at home in sub zero temperatures with a a hurrendous burning smell and fan going for 5 mins!!
I did some research as our EU6 Tiguan is only used for short journeys. I read they (including the EU5 models) never passively regen as the dpf doesn't get hot enough, although VW and dealer insist it should passive regen. I found a VW doc for our engine (EA288) that says it will active regen at 465 miles if it hasn't done one earlier.Certainly ours is active regenning every couple of hundred miles. It's a pain on ours as you can't tell until you stop and get out of the car - I'd prefer to keep it running until finished.
It's odd that yours wasn't doing it before though. If you get an explanation I'd be keen to hear it. Of course the dealer will insist that it was doing it but you just didn't notice.
Seat have gone awfully quiet about my Exeo, but I'm not having it done. As I understand it, it doesn't effect MAXIMUM performance according to the VAG blurb, they just do what all the other makers did before Adblue turned down the wick a bit at the rev level they do the tests at (sorry I really don't understand engine management) so the actual emissions haven't changed - they've just done a bit of horse trading with the performance.
(anyway, I had mine remapped, I don't want either the old one or the new one).
(anyway, I had mine remapped, I don't want either the old one or the new one).
I have a 2013 Caddy Van 1.6 TDi manual, and a guy I work with has a 2015 Caddy 1.6TDi DSG.
We have both received letters from VW asking us to have the recall carried out. I have ignored mine as I don't trust a word that comes out of VW's mouth and I certainly don't want them fiddling about with my ECU.
I advised my workmate not to have his done either, but he was concerned about his warranty not being honoured etc etc so he had the 'fix' carried out last week while it was in for service.
He is now getting 37mpg instead of the 45 he was constantly getting previously. and the engine has developed a 'rattle' at low to mid revs.
Needless to say he is pretty pissed off and has returned the van to them for them to look at. They have told him they will need the van for at least a week and will have to have a technical expert from VW examine it. He managed to speak to one of the Techs in the workshop who confessed that problems with fuel economy and 'rattling' have been appearing on some vehicles that have been recalled. Plus, he also said that the fix seems to highlight other problems and cause injectors to fail sooner.
I will keep you all updated. But I certainly haven't changed my stance on not getting my recall done.
We have both received letters from VW asking us to have the recall carried out. I have ignored mine as I don't trust a word that comes out of VW's mouth and I certainly don't want them fiddling about with my ECU.
I advised my workmate not to have his done either, but he was concerned about his warranty not being honoured etc etc so he had the 'fix' carried out last week while it was in for service.
He is now getting 37mpg instead of the 45 he was constantly getting previously. and the engine has developed a 'rattle' at low to mid revs.
Needless to say he is pretty pissed off and has returned the van to them for them to look at. They have told him they will need the van for at least a week and will have to have a technical expert from VW examine it. He managed to speak to one of the Techs in the workshop who confessed that problems with fuel economy and 'rattling' have been appearing on some vehicles that have been recalled. Plus, he also said that the fix seems to highlight other problems and cause injectors to fail sooner.
I will keep you all updated. But I certainly haven't changed my stance on not getting my recall done.
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