Anyone know how many V12VR S Manuals have been made?

Anyone know how many V12VR S Manuals have been made?

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RobDown

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127 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Blimey you need a whole scrabble set now to describe them

Anyway, does anyone have any idea of how many have/will be made? Trying to work out what my chances will be of getting a used one in 24 months time or whether you need to buy now

Also if anyone has seen one in stock at a dealer I'd be interested (they don't advertise them which is annoying).

Thanks for any time input!

Rob

Flugplatz

1,952 posts

244 months

Saturday 8th April 2017
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RobDown said:
Blimey you need a whole scrabble set now to describe them

Rob
Its a V12VSRM smile

Little Donkey

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140 months

Saturday 8th April 2017
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I think Grange Brentwood have one.

RobDown

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127 months

Saturday 8th April 2017
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Thanks LD

Quarterly

650 posts

117 months

Saturday 8th April 2017
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I was looking at a lovely one yesterday at Grange Welwyn, its got just 65 miles on it. Lovely thing, I first saw it when it was new in to the dealership around six months ago, it took pride of place in the show room, it didn't sell and today can be found shoved round the side. Its had a large slice of depreciation taken off the price too. biggrin




They also have one of the original 6 speed limited number roadsters in Ferrari Nero black. 7k millage, 2013 includes a full set of luggage.

Don't suppose these two cars will hang around much longer with the weather as good as it is.



I asked how many V12VSM have been made and they guessed around 75-100.

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Saturday 8th April 2017
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Quarterly said:
I asked how many V12VSM have been made and they guessed around 75-100.
is that manual coupes & roadsters combined, RHD ? doubt there's that many RHD manual roadsters, although it could be the number for manual roadsters globally I suppose

Andys1000

164 posts

125 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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Spoke to sales manager at Aston Martin today whilst at new factory visit who said they'd stopped taking orders for all V12VSM and roadsters, if you want one I would get one now, all the coupes for sale are ex-demos as the showrooms sell off their cars...

jonby

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156 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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Andys1000 said:
Spoke to sales manager at Aston Martin today whilst at new factory visit who said they'd stopped taking orders for all V12VSM and roadsters, if you want one I would get one now, all the coupes for sale are ex-demos as the showrooms sell off their cars...
just manual or V12VS in gen ?

AdamV12V

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176 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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jonby said:
Andys1000 said:
Spoke to sales manager at Aston Martin today whilst at new factory visit who said they'd stopped taking orders for all V12VSM and roadsters, if you want one I would get one now, all the coupes for sale are ex-demos as the showrooms sell off their cars...
just manual or V12VS in gen ?
Ive been told they have stopped taking orders for ALL vantages now. Only existing orders will now be built (so not sure how long that will take).

My gut feeling is 75-100 V12VSM in the UK is about correct, of which Id guess maybe 20-25 Roadsters and the rest are Coupes.

Andys1000

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125 months

Sunday 9th April 2017
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Agree with Johnby, all orders have been stopped.

Not sure if its true, but when I purchased mine I was told there were only 20 V12VSMR in total world wide - ordered and produced or in production - that was 2 weeks ago....

If theres a car still in welwyn get it quick - or I was advised there was a silver car with white lipstick with grey roof avalible which was a cancelled order avalible - then thats it...

I think if these figures are correct that makes it the rarest Vantage edition built....
If not I'm sure someone will correct me 🙂

jonby

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156 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Andys1000 said:
Agree with Johnby, all orders have been stopped.

Not sure if its true, but when I purchased mine I was told there were only 20 V12VSMR in total world wide - ordered and produced or in production - that was 2 weeks ago....

If theres a car still in welwyn get it quick - or I was advised there was a silver car with white lipstick with grey roof avalible which was a cancelled order avalible - then thats it...

I think if these figures are correct that makes it the rarest Vantage edition built....
If not I'm sure someone will correct me ??
As Adam says above, 75-100 V12VSM across both body shapes in the UK doesn't sound unreasonable, whereas if that was just roadsters, I'd have been amazed (there were approx 34 UK RHD manual roadsters of the 101 V12VR which was available globally excluding USA)

as low as 20 odd manual V12VS roadsters globally would surprise me, but it's far from impossible so if someone from the factory is quoting that stat, it could be true - there haven't been any demonstrators or press cars that I recall seeing

As for production, I assumed you meant it had stopped for V12VS in general but I was asking more than telling you - apart from anything else, we can't be far off the cut off for orders for MY17 production from a practical point of view




Big Ry

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118 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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I was told that globally there were a total of about 400 7sp Manuals (already built and in the pipeline). I'm led to believe that the Coupe/Roadster split tends to be about 80/20, that would mean there are about 320 coupes and 80 roadsters (roughly).

Edited by Big Ry on Monday 10th April 08:44

CSK1

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123 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Out of a total of how many V12VS and V12VSR?

jonby

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156 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Big Ry said:
I was told that globally there were a total of about 400 7sp Manuals (already built and in the pipeline). I'm led to believe that the Coupe/Roadster split tends to be about 80/20, that would mean there are about 320 coupes and 80 roadsters (roughly).

Edited by Big Ry on Monday 10th April 08:44
Those figures sound more realistic and if so, 20 UK RHD manual roadster sounds sensible, rather than 20 globally

I don't know about V12VS stats although some on here may but I am under the impression that since manual was reintroduced, it's accounted for more than half of overall V12VS sales. Obviously that's partly impacted by V12VS having been out a fair while when the manual option was introduced and as with V12V, spec effectively hasn't changed since launch, meaning V12VS flappy paddle sales must have been drying up somewhat when manual was introduced

It will be fascinating to see used prices in a year or two for all manual V12V cars, be they S or the original, as they will be seen as having occupied a fairly unique space in the Aston line up - along with DBS, they have essentially been the only Astons with a V12 engine and a manual box given how few DB9s with a manual box exist

Well certainly the only Astons with a n/a V12 engine and a manual box. Time will tell if they offer manual with the 5.2 turbo V12, although personally I'm doubt they will

Andys1000

164 posts

125 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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jonby said:
Big Ry said:
I was told that globally there were a total of about 400 7sp Manuals (already built and in the pipeline). I'm led to believe that the Coupe/Roadster split tends to be about 80/20, that would mean there are about 320 coupes and 80 roadsters (roughly).

Edited by Big Ry on Monday 10th April 08:44
Those figures sound more realistic and if so, 20 UK RHD manual roadster sounds sensible, rather than 20 globally

I don't know about V12VS stats although some on here may but I am under the impression that since manual was reintroduced, it's accounted for more than half of overall V12VS sales. Obviously that's partly impacted by V12VS having been out a fair while when the manual option was introduced and as with V12V, spec effectively hasn't changed since launch, meaning V12VS flappy paddle sales must have been drying up somewhat when manual was introduced

It will be fascinating to see used prices in a year or two for all manual V12V cars, be they S or the original, as they will be seen as having occupied a fairly unique space in the Aston line up - along with DBS, they have essentially been the only Astons with a V12 engine and a manual box given how few DB9s with a manual box exist

Well certainly the only Astons with a n/a V12 engine and a manual box. Time will tell if they offer manual with the 5.2 turbo V12, although personally I'm doubt they will
Not sure what the real story is, but that's a little different to what I've been advised - I was advised only 300 were to be built due to a limited run of the manual gearboxes, 100 went to the American market - which was all sold out from day one.

The remaining 200 were for UK and Rest of the World. Of those that were ordered in total, the factory confirmed to sales manager that only 20 roadster manuals had been ordered in total (both markets) including those that had been delivered already. Not sure if I've missed heard this, or they have misconstrued that answer, but this was again the story that was again conveyed to me by another sales man at the factory visit on Sunday - I suspect the true answer will come out in time, either way, I would buy now - its a great drivers car and I can't see them getting any cheaper.....

jonby

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156 months

Monday 10th April 2017
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Andys1000 said:
Not sure what the real story is, but that's a little different to what I've been advised - I was advised only 300 were to be built due to a limited run of the manual gearboxes, 100 went to the American market - which was all sold out from day one.

The remaining 200 were for UK and Rest of the World. Of those that were ordered in total, the factory confirmed to sales manager that only 20 roadster manuals had been ordered in total (both markets) including those that had been delivered already. Not sure if I've missed heard this, or they have misconstrued that answer, but this was again the story that was again conveyed to me by another sales man at the factory visit on Sunday - I suspect the true answer will come out in time, either way, I would buy now - its a great drivers car and I can't see them getting any cheaper.....
Well I'm quick to say when I do know something, but on this issue I haven't asked the question let alone know the answer

But for overall totals, you are only 100 units apart - your total is 300 (200 + 100 USA) and Big Ry's is approx 400, which by definition means 300 for the rest of the world and 100 for USA .

Also bear in mind there is talk on here of a MY18 final/run-out edition car (I've stayed clear of the speculation on that and I'm not about to start) - you are both suggesting the figures include 'in the pipeline cars' - perhaps one is including the run out (if it's happening) and one isn't ?

The total numbers are always difficult even for the factory, especially when it's a car still in production. I remember asking about UK RHD roadsters when the 101 were made. There were some cars that were UK, but LHD and others which were RHD, but not UK. You've then got factory cars, demonstrators, press cars, prototypes, etc. Even with the stats at their disposal, the question was open to interpretation of which cars to include. For the factory to actually know how many UK RHD cars were made is not always that easy, so whilst they can give a reasonably accurate figure, it's never watertight.

Personally, I'd be surprised if there was a limit on manual boxes but less surprised if there was a limit on engines (I don't mean the American regs restriction that AML got partial exemption for with a limit, but more if there is a max production capacity for the engines, especially given the demand for the same engine in Vanquish S & Vanquish Zag0

Anyway bottom line is not a million miles away from each other

I;m more interested in the roadster numbers though - whether 300 or 400 is the total, to have only 20 roadsters globally representing 6.7% or 5% of that total, would be very odd. The roadster split on manual V12V is artificial as it was a ltd run but even then, the %age was higher. Going by the used cars that have been available over recent years, the V12VS flappy has far more than 5 or 7% made as soft tops, so for the manual V12VS to have such an extreme split seems strange. Having said all that, I'm not aware of there having been any demonstrators (dealer or factory) or pre registered V12VS roadsters with a manual box, so who knows. Regardless of actual numbers, a very rare beast indeed, just a question of how rare

Edited by jonby on Monday 10th April 12:25

britaway

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121 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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My best guess after following the American market for the last few months is 25-30% of the 100 us cars are roadsters.

Andys1000

164 posts

125 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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britaway said:
My best guess after following the American market for the last few months is 25-30% of the 100 us cars are roadsters.
Agreed that should be the case - but can you find a picture of one??? I think I've found pictures of 5 to date on the web in total both RHD and LHD
maybe its time to sart a registry....

I've just finished a new video on the spec of my car and updates and will send it live next week - my filming is hopefully improving :-)

britaway

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121 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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This one's mine

Andys1000

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125 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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britaway said:
This one's mine
Thats Fabulous - what colour is it Britaway?