Golf R engine blown

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Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Gents,

18 month old golf r engine blown,

Vw saying not covered under warranty as it's driver error with wrong gear ratio

Any help? Facing hefty bill...

Defcon5

6,178 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Did you put it in 2nd instead of 4th or something?

Assuming it's manual it's entirely your fault so no chance anyone else is going to contribute


Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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OK....what evidence are the basing their rejection on ?

Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Apparently the ECU tells all

Defcon you maybe right, I can't say that I did or didn't, however if I was in 5th and shifted to 3rd and missed and got 1st it's explainable but never done that in my life!

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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I'd be asking them for evidence that that's what caused it...manual I'm assuming?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Beanie said:
Apparently the ECU tells all

Defcon you maybe right, I can't say that I did or didn't, however if I was in 5th and shifted to 3rd and missed and got 1st it's explainable but never done that in my life!
5th to 1st is some downshift.

1st should be good for 40mph ish? Clearly M way speeds or making A/B road progress would mean what 14,000 rpm + territory.

Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Yep its manual, ecu shows a rev spike

I could buy a 3 year old gti with what it's quoted at

Ouch

Defcon5

6,178 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Was it a spectacular failure then, or did you just notice it rattling later?

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Beanie said:
Yep its manual, ecu shows a rev spike

I could buy a 3 year old gti with what it's quoted at

Ouch
If it shows that then yes, you are facing a hefty bill.

What is the damage ?

helix402

7,858 posts

182 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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I’m guessing: spun big end bearing or rod out the side of the block.

kiethton

13,892 posts

180 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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I don't know the answer but could this be classed as accidental damage? - claim via your car insurance

tigger1

8,402 posts

221 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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I'd have a read of this:

http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/15212-over-revve...

As it sounds like a similar thing (although it sounds like it was never really sorted).

Over-revving a manual is possible on a downshift (not to the same degree under acceleration, and not at all with the DSG).


Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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A road, 70 ish, 8k revs,

No disappointingly not spectacular at all, no oil or smoke or explosions, for theone year it's going to cost I should have at least got some fireworks

I'm just wondering having not seen the data myself, any specialists can tell me if that ecu will show that? It's some downshift and I'm not sure that's what happened

Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Insurance aren't interested

Beanie

Original Poster:

199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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tigger1 said:
I'd have a read of this:

http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/15212-over-revve...

As it sounds like a similar thing (although it sounds like it was never really sorted).

Over-revving a manual is possible on a downshift (not to the same degree under acceleration, and not at all with the DSG).
Very interesting thank you

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Beanie said:
A road, 70 ish, 8k revs,

No disappointingly not spectacular at all, no oil or smoke or explosions, for theone year it's going to cost I should have at least got some fireworks

I'm just wondering having not seen the data myself, any specialists can tell me if that ecu will show that? It's some downshift and I'm not sure that's what happened
80mph into second and the engine blows?

My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?

pidsy

7,983 posts

157 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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That's stty news OP - no engines you could source and fit at an Indy?

Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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pidsy said:
That's stty news OP - no engines you could source and fit at an Indy?
It's a lease, so I have a feeling if it's not done by vw it's going to cause probs on the handback.

Can someone tell me, IF I had done what they are suggesting what would the car have done? Some people suggest I would have face planted the screen and the wheels lock,

However there was nothing at all, some suggest there is software to prevent this?

How do I know it was a gear shift? Could the chain have snapped and spiked the revs? Could the engine simply have just blown and the spike in revs were a result?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Beanie said:
It's a lease, so I have a feeling if it's not done by vw it's going to cause probs on the handback.

Can someone tell me, IF I had done what they are suggesting what would the car have done? Some people suggest I would have face planted the screen and the wheels lock,

However there was nothing at all, some suggest there is software to prevent this?

How do I know it was a gear shift? Could the chain have snapped and spiked the revs? Could the engine simply have just blown and the spike in revs were a result?
Rpm doesn't increase if cambelt/chain snaps
Engine braking would happen but no it is not harder than a super dooper emergency stop it's would retard the speed but not by a huge amount.

Could the engine simply have blown?


The issue you have is the ECU logs usage - Porsche track the number of time rev limiter is hit and if there is a downchange beyond the rev limit. I'd imagine all ECUs hold similar data.

What's the current cost they are quoting?

Beanie

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199 posts

99 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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New engine, labour, depending on other bits I. E turbo, clutch, exhaust

Region of 10 - 15

New engine is 6k alone