Golf R engine blown
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Does the data just show the rpms at a certain value, or does it have other corroborating data (gear, speed etc)
Perhaps you could work out whether the rpms are realistic given speed/gear?
What exactly is the fault with the engine? Can you get an independent inspection?
If you’re close to the end of the lease, can you (partner/parent etc) buy the car from the lease co then fix it at an Indy with an engine from a writeoff etc?
Perhaps you could work out whether the rpms are realistic given speed/gear?
What exactly is the fault with the engine? Can you get an independent inspection?
If you’re close to the end of the lease, can you (partner/parent etc) buy the car from the lease co then fix it at an Indy with an engine from a writeoff etc?
70mph revs hit 8500 at the time it happened, they told me that much, 1st gear at that speed would be crazy revs but I'm assuming it gave up after 8500
Edited to add they haren't not told me the exact gear but said the ratio was not compatible with 70mph
Edited to add they haren't not told me the exact gear but said the ratio was not compatible with 70mph
Edited by Beanie on Thursday 5th October 10:45
Welshbeef said:
80mph into second and the engine blows?
My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
Well that's excellent information. OP perhaps print this off and show it to the VW garage, I'm sure it'll sort everything out.My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
Welshbeef said:
80mph into second and the engine blows?
My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
These Golf R's are doing pretty much 60-65 max in 2nd at the red line.My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
VW ecu will simply show a "ENGINE SPEED EXCEEDED WARRANTY VOID" code. If the engine is over-revved.
There is no historical logging (IE they can't tell what you did 3 weeks ago on Tuesday at 7:23pm).
Tough situation. Did you downshift to 1st instead of 3rd? lol
xjay1337 said:
Welshbeef said:
80mph into second and the engine blows?
My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
These Golf R's are doing pretty much 60-65 max in 2nd at the red line.My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
VW ecu will simply show a "ENGINE SPEED EXCEEDED WARRANTY VOID" code. If the engine is over-revved.
There is no historical logging (IE they can't tell what you did 3 weeks ago on Tuesday at 7:23pm).
Tough situation. Did you downshift to 1st instead of 3rd? lol
Quite honestly I don't know, it was milliseconds
But hell of a thing if I did, never done it before
They were able to say time, speed and revs
Beanie said:
Stickyfinger said:
Beanie said:
it needs a new one, I tend to agree if there's no compression in any cylinders
Personally I do not agree with that. Even about cavaliers
Beanie said:
xjay1337 said:
Welshbeef said:
80mph into second and the engine blows?
My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
These Golf R's are doing pretty much 60-65 max in 2nd at the red line.My old Cavalier SRi would be on the cut out in 2nd just beyond 80mph - once downchanged and it was at 85mph in 2nd. Engine had zero issues possibly longer 2nd gear ratio made this a non issue ?
VW ecu will simply show a "ENGINE SPEED EXCEEDED WARRANTY VOID" code. If the engine is over-revved.
There is no historical logging (IE they can't tell what you did 3 weeks ago on Tuesday at 7:23pm).
Tough situation. Did you downshift to 1st instead of 3rd? lol
Quite honestly I don't know, it was milliseconds
But hell of a thing if I did, never done it before
They were able to say time, speed and revs
It will log a fault code for engine speed exceeded at that given moment.
But as I said there is no historical logging so they can't look back at your driving habits etc.
Sounds like you did to be fair. I'd buy a used engine from Ebay. Plenty of them being stolen so no doubt there is one or two cheap-ish engines around.
Should it be near on impossible to get it into such a low gear?
Ie you cannot select reverse whilst going forward in a stick shifter or auto.
In our current stick shifter getting it into 1st at anything above say 15mph is simply not possible/you'd realise what you were trying to do and stop.
Given OPs situation I'd want to look down the investigation route/it might be a combination of issues user error plus vehicle component failure.
OP were you hooning at the time? Is the engine remapped?
Ie you cannot select reverse whilst going forward in a stick shifter or auto.
In our current stick shifter getting it into 1st at anything above say 15mph is simply not possible/you'd realise what you were trying to do and stop.
Given OPs situation I'd want to look down the investigation route/it might be a combination of issues user error plus vehicle component failure.
OP were you hooning at the time? Is the engine remapped?
If it were me, then I'd be taking the car to an independant specialist, getting them to rebuild the original engine and keep my mouth shut about it. If there is total devastation to the engine requiring a new block then you may have to swallow the VW cost because the DVLA would need to be notified of the engine change wouldn't they?
On the subject of the lease return, in my experience, the BCA inspectors will check the car visually but do not go into any great detail/read ECUs/check engine numbers on your driveway before they agree that your car is fine and ready for collection.
- Disclaimer, I'm unsure what happens once the car has left your posession, but unless there is a reason for it to be assessed (visible damage, rough running etc) then I'm not sure it'd get a second look before it goes into the auction room.
On the subject of the lease return, in my experience, the BCA inspectors will check the car visually but do not go into any great detail/read ECUs/check engine numbers on your driveway before they agree that your car is fine and ready for collection.
- Disclaimer, I'm unsure what happens once the car has left your posession, but unless there is a reason for it to be assessed (visible damage, rough running etc) then I'm not sure it'd get a second look before it goes into the auction room.
RS Grant said:
If it were me, then I'd be taking the car to an independant specialist, getting them to rebuild the original engine and keep my mouth shut about it. If there is total devastation to the engine requiring a new block then you may have to swallow the VW cost because the DVLA would need to be notified of the engine change wouldn't they?
On the subject of the lease return, in my experience, the BCA inspectors will check the car visually but do not go into any great detail/read ECUs/check engine numbers on your driveway before they agree that your car is fine and ready for collection.
- Disclaimer, I'm unsure what happens once the car has left your posession, but unless there is a reason for it to be assessed (visible damage, rough running etc) then I'm not sure it'd get a second look before it goes into the auction room.
That is fundamentally not on. Some innocent future buyer might then end up with a continuous problem all down to the first users bodge repair (potentially). On the subject of the lease return, in my experience, the BCA inspectors will check the car visually but do not go into any great detail/read ECUs/check engine numbers on your driveway before they agree that your car is fine and ready for collection.
- Disclaimer, I'm unsure what happens once the car has left your posession, but unless there is a reason for it to be assessed (visible damage, rough running etc) then I'm not sure it'd get a second look before it goes into the auction room.
Op
Why not call up another lease company and ask if such an issue happened what's the protocol.
I'd assume the lease company might have a total loss option which MIGHT be a chunk cheaper than engine replacement + let the genuinely ruined car be sold at auction for someone else to repair.
zedx19 said:
Few engines on ebay at the moment, one for £1200 quid with 3 month warranty. Surely a competant garage won't charge the earth for an engine swap? Arguing the case with VW, when it sounds like you know you caused the damage, sounds like a waste of time.
Um you have to notify DVLA of an engine block change... I'd dare say if OP reads his T&Cs in detail it might state what he can and cannot do. OP have you got legal cover in your house insurance or motor insurance policy? If so it's worth calling them and seeing if there is any way you can mitigate this potentially huge cost (possibly you simply do not have the ability to pay for it who knows as such what happens in that case? Etc)
Welshbeef said:
That is fundamentally not on. Some innocent future buyer might then end up with a continuous problem all down to the first users bodge repair (potentially).
I'm not talking about getting a mate or the old boy in the village garage to have a go at throwing it together, I'm talking about getting a well regarded specialist to rebuild the engine properly. It's not a cheap option, but when VW are quoting 5 figures for a replacement with no contribution on a lease car that I'd budgeted 7-8-9k? to run over two years, I'd be looking for some way to reduce this amount significantly. In addition to this, once the car is returned and then re-sold; it will still be covered by warranty so in the unlikely event that any issues appear then the future buyer would be covered.I'm sure there are plenty of lease cars out there which have done plenty more miles than their clocks show, have had maps/tuning boxes removed, have been launched hundreds of times down a quarter mile/raced round track endlessly before being given back to VWFS via BCA and in fact I would actually be surprised if exactly what I'm suggesting hadn't been done before as well.
RS Grant said:
Welshbeef said:
That is fundamentally not on. Some innocent future buyer might then end up with a continuous problem all down to the first users bodge repair (potentially).
I'm not talking about getting a mate or the old boy in the village garage to have a go at throwing it together, I'm talking about getting a well regarded specialist to rebuild the engine properly. It's not a cheap option, but when VW are quoting 5 figures for a replacement with no contribution on a lease car that I'd budgeted 7-8-9k? to run over two years, I'd be looking for some way to reduce this amount significantly. In addition to this, once the car is returned and then re-sold; it will still be covered by warranty so in the unlikely event that any issues appear then the future buyer would be covered.I'm sure there are plenty of lease cars out there which have done plenty more miles than their clocks show, have had maps/tuning boxes removed, have been launched hundreds of times down a quarter mile/raced round track endlessly before being given back to VWFS via BCA and in fact I would actually be surprised if exactly what I'm suggesting hadn't been done before as well.
a decent used engine for <£1500 and <£1000 inc full service for replacement is a lot nicer than a 5 figure bill.
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