Audi V10 plus - values, running costs, opinions!

Audi V10 plus - values, running costs, opinions!

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dank

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Tuesday 8th January 2019
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Regy53 said:
I wouldn’t worry about the dealer so much you are getting a warranty

However you need to make sure you depreciate over a few years and don’t do what I did last year

Bought a 2014 v10 plus blind. Picked it up from Audi and after a few months realised i couldn’t drive it with terrible back pain. I found the plus to stiff as it was on springs and the buckets had no adjustment. The loss on that was eye watering. So if you do go into it go in eyes open for a 3 year purchase to even out the initial depreciation

Incidentally later last year I bought a older v10 manual on mag ride with sports seats and not buckets and had zero issue at all.

I can also say if you are using as a daily the interior of a gen 1 is getting very very dated. Even a 2014 doesn’t have Bluetooth streaming for example.

I have just moved to a gen 2 2015 and it’s completly different to drive and really is two personality’s with the comfort modes etc much improved imo although the looks are not as smooth

If I was you I would do my best to stretch to a early gen 2 non plus I think the 2014 autos are really going to drop as the gen 2’s come down
It won't be used as my daily, more for weekend trips, spirited drives etc, i have a V8 S4 for work/ daily

I am not sure the harder suspension will be a problem, used to drove a vx220 which was very stiff! Also the car in question doesn't have buckets. 2015 models are 10k more money, and what extra interior wise will i be getting, bluetooth streaming for 10 grand?

I am assuming a £4k per year depreciation and plan to keep for 2-3 years, I think this is realistic?




Edited by dank on Tuesday 8th January 08:44

dank

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PompeyReece said:
Audi dealers will provide a warranty regardless of their performance/reviews.

However as alluded to, get a PPI done - any seller worth their salt and with confidence in the car will allow it on their premises.

But I'm fairly sure the AA won't do a PPI on an R8 therefore your choices are:

- RAC - £500 but you get a fully documented, written report with photographs
- Independent - £200 but usually only receive a verbal summary although likely to have more experience of R8s
Can someone recommend a good R8 PPI in South East area?

Regy53

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Tuesday 8th January 2019
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sorry my Bluetooth streaming was just something so basic nowadays

the Gen 2 is leagues ahead that's what i mean, but if it is not a daily then i think the gen 1 is great .

If your buying from a franchised Audi dealer, negotiate a second year warranty.

dank

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Leagues ahead in which respects?

Regy53 said:
sorry my Bluetooth streaming was just something so basic nowadays

the Gen 2 is leagues ahead that's what i mean, but if it is not a daily then i think the gen 1 is great .

If your buying from a franchised Audi dealer, negotiate a second year warranty.

PompeyReece

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Tuesday 8th January 2019
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dank said:
Leagues ahead in which respects?

Regy53 said:
sorry my Bluetooth streaming was just something so basic nowadays

the Gen 2 is leagues ahead that's what i mean, but if it is not a daily then i think the gen 1 is great .

If your buying from a franchised Audi dealer, negotiate a second year warranty.
The Gen 2 is a completely different car to what you're looking at. Gen 2 was released in 2016 and as such prices start around £78k and accelerate upwards. Gen 2 cars are only 2ish years old so technology is more recent, including bluetooth etc.

It's a completely different version to the original Gen 1 car which was released in 2007 in the UK and received a face lift around 2012 which is the one you're talking about.

dank

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PompeyReece said:
The Gen 2 is a completely different car to what you're looking at. Gen 2 was released in 2016 and as such prices start around £78k and accelerate upwards. Gen 2 cars are only 2ish years old so technology is more recent, including bluetooth etc.

It's a completely different version to the original Gen 1 car which was released in 2007 in the UK and received a face lift around 2012 which is the one you're talking about.
Ok thanks, yes can't afford £78k plus!


dank

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I am very close to pulling the trigger on the V10 plus, very excited about it, feels like a proper supercar, my 911 Turbo is amazing, and ballistic fast, but i have got used to it, and want something nosier and quicker, and love the track focused R8 V10 plus, the carbon all over it is amazing!!!

can someone recommend a PPI place in Essex, Audi, VW Tec in Chelmsford?


dank

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Monday 21st January 2019
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So i am looking at getting an RAC check on the R8, they say they do a 300 point check as opposed to Audi's 145.... they did say they only do a visual inspection, and will ramp the car up, but in reality what extra can they spot, report on, is it worth the £470!

Also, the R8 is an Audi ex demonstrator, is that an issue? Will it be harder to sell on in 2-3 years time?


Trevor555

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Monday 21st January 2019
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dank said:
So i am looking at getting an RAC check on the R8, they say they do a 300 point check as opposed to Audi's 145.... they did say they only do a visual inspection, and will ramp the car up, but in reality what extra can they spot, report on, is it worth the £470!

Also, the R8 is an Audi ex demonstrator, is that an issue? Will it be harder to sell on in 2-3 years time?
They only do a visual inspection? Will they road test the car?

And will ramp the car up? How are they going to do that?

£470?????

That's a lot of money, I wouldn't pay that with no guarantee the RAC inspector will know his way around an R8.

Would the RAC spot previous accident repairs?

dank

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Trevor555 said:
They only do a visual inspection? Will they road test the car?

And will ramp the car up? How are they going to do that?

£470?????

That's a lot of money, I wouldn't pay that with no guarantee the RAC inspector will know his way around an R8.

Would the RAC spot previous accident repairs?
They said they would do a 20 mile road test for an additional £50, but they don't take anything apart so can only visually look at the car. They can ramp it up at the dealership, spoke to the dealer and they are ok with it.

I have been led to believe that the RAC PPI is good and worth it for peace of mind, another thread mentioned a buyer walked away from a car after the RAC report raised issues.

Surely accident repairs should be declared by the dealer?




Trevor555

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dank said:
Surely accident repairs should be declared by the dealer?
If it's clear on Hpi then no, they don't have to declare any previous repairs unless you specifically ask.

So do that, ask them if it's had any previous repairs, they are not allowed to lie.

They'll probably say the usual "not to our knowledge"

I'm just worried for you, is there any guarantee the RAC inspector has seen an R8 before?

And please ask the RAC if their technician looks for previous body repairs.

Even a time served technician can't always spot body repairs, it's not what they do.

I'm sorry I sound so distrusting, I'm sure the Audi garage has a buyer that has cast their eye over the car.

But remember, mechanical faults can be repaired, a poor body repair cannot always be.

Ask the RAC if they check for such things.



dank

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Trevor555 said:
If it's clear on Hpi then no, they don't have to declare any previous repairs unless you specifically ask.

So do that, ask them if it's had any previous repairs, they are not allowed to lie.

They'll probably say the usual "not to our knowledge"

I'm just worried for you, is there any guarantee the RAC inspector has seen an R8 before?

And please ask the RAC if their technician looks for previous body repairs.

Even a time served technician can't always spot body repairs, it's not what they do.

I'm sorry I sound so distrusting, I'm sure the Audi garage has a buyer that has cast their eye over the car.

But remember, mechanical faults can be repaired, a poor body repair cannot always be.

Ask the RAC if they check for such things.
Ok thank for the information and the concern!

I’ll speak with the dealer tomorrow and then the RAC and see if they will have someone who knows R8’s - or perhaps I can speak with VWAUDI Tec in Chelmsford and see if they can inspect it ?

Trevor555

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dank said:
Ok thank for the information and the concern!

Or perhaps I can speak with VWAUDI Tec in Chelmsford and see if they can inspect it ?
Just looked at their website, I'd put a whole lot more trust in them than the RAC for £470

I'm just coming to you with vast experience of buying cars.

And the times I have been the one to tell people about previous accident repairs when I've looked at their cars, and had to say the words "sorry, not for me"

And the times people have replied "but I bought it from a garage"

I sold a TVR one day, chap came to inspect it was a total anorack, he knew things that an RAC tester never would.

When he left my thoughts were, crikey, that guy was worth every penny to the customer.

dank

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No I really appreciate the advice. It’s a big car purchase, a lot of money and something I want to keep for 3 years or more but don’t want to end up with a bad / damaged car.

I have had my S4 in at Auditec and chatted to the guys there at length about cars, they are all Audi Ex technicians. So I’ll give them a call and see what they suggest. Hopefully they can send someone to check the car for me, the dealer is being open and allowing me get a PPI at the dealership which I am taking as a good sign.

So by me asking them if
It’s had any accident damage and they saying as far as they are aware ‘No’ - it still might have had bad repairs ???? That then leaves the Auditec guys to spot it, if they don’t then I am screwed !?

Trevor555

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dank said:
No I really appreciate the advice.

So by me asking them if
It’s had any accident damage and they saying as far as they are aware ‘No’ - it still might have had bad repairs ???? That then leaves the Auditec guys to spot it, if they don’t then I am screwed !?
You're welcome for the advice.

If you've asked and they said no, or "not to the best of their knowledge" that's a start for you if it turns out to have had a poor repair.

Dealers are deemed as experts, so the defense of "not to the best of our knowledge" isn't a good one in court for them.

Also ask the Auditech people if they're able to spot previous repairs, one of their people may have worked in a bodyshop previously.

I'm sure the car will be fine if it's being sold by an Audi dealer, my real concern is you paying £470 for a check by a person who might not have the necessary experience for an R8

I've bought over 3000 cars in my time and if you asked me to have a look I'd still say "I'm not experienced enough with R8's, find someone who is"

dank

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Yes I agree, I asked the helpful RAC lady on the phone if they go in depth with the inspection, with ceramic discs / wear , any suspension issues etc etc but she said all they can do is inspect what they can see without removing any trim, panels or even wheels - I just felt unsure how revealing that would be???? Surely the Audi check would be the same, making a £500 visual inspection pointless, ??? She also said no company doing inspections would remove any trim / panels etc - so theirs was the best and most comprehensive.... I would prefer an Audi R8 specialist to check - and hope Auditec are prepared and knowledgable

PompeyReece

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Monday 21st January 2019
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dank said:
So i am looking at getting an RAC check on the R8, they say they do a 300 point check as opposed to Audi's 145.... they did say they only do a visual inspection, and will ramp the car up, but in reality what extra can they spot, report on, is it worth the £470!

Also, the R8 is an Audi ex demonstrator, is that an issue? Will it be harder to sell on in 2-3 years time?
That's not my experience. When I had my RAC inspection 2 years ago, this is what you got for £500 and as you can see it includes a road test:

https://www.rac.co.uk/buying-a-car/vehicle-inspect...

dank

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PompeyReece said:
That's not my experience. When I had my RAC inspection 2 years ago, this is what you got for £500 and as you can see it includes a road test:

https://www.rac.co.uk/buying-a-car/vehicle-inspect...
So did your inspection look for any bad repairs / damage - suspension, discs, engine issues etc?

did you end up buying the car, was it an R8?


PompeyReece

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dank said:
Yes I agree, I asked the helpful RAC lady on the phone if they go in depth with the inspection, with ceramic discs / wear , any suspension issues etc etc but she said all they can do is inspect what they can see without removing any trim, panels or even wheels - I just felt unsure how revealing that would be???? Surely the Audi check would be the same, making a £500 visual inspection pointless, ??? She also said no company doing inspections would remove any trim / panels etc - so theirs was the best and most comprehensive.... I would prefer an Audi R8 specialist to check - and hope Auditec are prepared and knowledgable
I doubt you will find anyone prepared to remove trims, panels, wheels etc. If that's what you really need and you find someone, go for for it. Do come back to us with the cost of doing that and the name of who you find.

In my experience the RAC was a full blown, exhaustive and very comprehensive inspection with a full report. All the independents I engaged will give you just a verbal review.

I had two Audi health checks on my car, both within one week of each other (one at an MOT and the other at the MOT retest) - the first check gave the car the all clear (apart from the MOT failure), the second test found nearly £3,000 of potential work all within the space of a week. Possibly down to the dealer but you can make your own mind up.

As such I'd trust an independent £500 RAC inspection over an Audi one so I'd just pay the £500 and be done with it.

dank

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PompeyReece said:
I doubt you will find anyone prepared to remove trims, panels, wheels etc. If that's what you really need and you find someone, go for for it. Do come back to us with the cost of doing that and the name of who you find.

In my experience the RAC was a full blown, exhaustive and very comprehensive inspection with a full report. All the independents I engaged will give you just a verbal review.

I had two Audi health checks on my car, both within one week of each other (one at an MOT and the other at the MOT retest) - the first check gave the car the all clear (apart from the MOT failure), the second test found nearly £3,000 of potential work all within the space of a week. Possibly down to the dealer but you can make your own mind up.

As such I'd trust an independent £500 RAC inspection over an Audi one so I'd just pay the £500 and be done with it.
ok thanks, i'll give it some further thought.