LT77 speedo sensor

LT77 speedo sensor

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blitzracing

6,387 posts

220 months

Wednesday 20th February 2019
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Thankyou! -A tuned circuit then... Ill have a look at the waveforms on the coil ends and see what is going on. I appreciate the PNP bit, but can I just check the ground path? The brown wire is marked as 12v on the lucas wiring, so you cant pull that to ground ?

davep

1,143 posts

284 months

Wednesday 20th February 2019
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blitzracing said:
Thankyou! -A tuned circuit then... Ill have a look at the waveforms on the coil ends and see what is going on. I appreciate the PNP bit, but can I just check the ground path? The brown wire is marked as 12v on the lucas wiring, so you cant pull that to ground ?
Blitz, forget the Lucas wiring convention for a moment and look at the application wiring diagram for the transducer shown in Griff400's posting above.

In this case Brown doubles up as switched earth and O/P signal line (V OUT) if you like.

For example:


blitzracing

6,387 posts

220 months

Wednesday 20th February 2019
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oh boy- got to love this - so brown is not 12v and yellow and black is not the speed signal as in the Lucas designation but the opposite way around ... I would not mind if it was TVR wiring, but is this not a bog standard lucas part? Oh well, Ill get a scope on it tomorrow with the correct polarity and have a play. All the semiconductors are in one piece on the one Ive pulled to bits.


davep

1,143 posts

284 months

Thursday 21st February 2019
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blitzracing said:
oh boy- got to love this - so brown is not 12v and yellow and black is not the speed signal as in the Lucas designation but the opposite way around ... I would not mind if it was TVR wiring, but is this not a bog standard lucas part? Oh well, Ill get a scope on it tomorrow with the correct polarity and have a play. All the semiconductors are in one piece on the one Ive pulled to bits.

Apparently, the actual LT77/SDI road speed transducer was manufactured by Caerbont Automotive Instruments and is not a Lucas part. It does however include a Lucas three pin RISTS circular connector (and of course only two pins are used), which may be the cause of your confusion ;-)

blitzracing

6,387 posts

220 months

Saturday 30th March 2019
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Steve_D said:
Can anyone advise how you test one of these?
Have a TES2805/2001 that may be suspect.

Steve
In got a working one today, they are easy to test- you just need the 12 volts on one wire, and the output wire goes to ground via a 1k resistor. Then measure the voltage across the resistor as you spin the gear. A DVM will show you a shifting voltage between about 8 and 2 volts as it rotates, or a scope will show a clear pulse signal. It does need to be rotated fast enough to see the signal, but you can do this by hand. The input impedance of a TVR speedo is only 400 ohms, and without a similar low resistance to ground the sensor wont work.

Steve_D

13,747 posts

258 months

Saturday 30th March 2019
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davep said:
Apparently, the actual LT77/SDI road speed transducer was manufactured by Caerbont Automotive Instruments and is not a Lucas part.........
I have no way to dispute Caerbont making them but the circuit board inside is clearly marked Lucas.

Steve

Steve_D

13,747 posts

258 months

Saturday 30th March 2019
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blitzracing said:
Steve_D said:
Can anyone advise how you test one of these?
Have a TES2805/2001 that may be suspect.

Steve
In got a working one today, they are easy to test- you just need the 12 volts on one wire, and the output wire goes to ground via a 1k resistor. Then measure the voltage across the resistor as you spin the gear. A DVM will show you a shifting voltage between about 8 and 2 volts as it rotates, or a scope will show a clear pulse signal. It does need to be rotated fast enough to see the signal, but you can do this by hand. The input impedance of a TVR speedo is only 400 ohms, and without a similar low resistance to ground the sensor wont work.
Will have to try that out on Monday.
Were you reading on AC or DC?
Could you read Hz in some way other than a scope? (I have HZ on my DVM)

Steve

davep

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284 months

Sunday 31st March 2019
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Steve_D said:
I have no way to dispute Caerbont making them but the circuit board inside is clearly marked Lucas.

Steve
Although under temporary Lucas ownership in the 80s, it is clearly evident Caerbont specified the unit connector wiring using a convention that was not compliant with the Lucas colour coding scheme.

blitzracing

6,387 posts

220 months

Sunday 31st March 2019
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Steve_D said:
Will have to try that out on Monday.
Were you reading on AC or DC?
Could you read Hz in some way other than a scope? (I have HZ on my DVM)

Steve
You dont want hertz as unless you have some fixed RPM to calibrate it against, but it should give you 8 pulses per revolution.