Are T1R's the only real tyre options for the 16" Estoril's ?
Discussion
I'm probably going to buy a car that has 16" Estorils front and back.
It Currently has old T1R's fitted that I will replace with new rubber.
They are currently fitted with 225/45/16 and 245/45/16
If I stick with these tyres the only branded matched set I can find is still in T1R's which whilst they seem ok on the TVR's I have driven I havent historically been a big fan of them finding them quite "wobbly" especially when they are fairly new.
Looking at slightly different fitments I can find Yokohama AD08R in 225/45/16 and 225/50/16. This would reduce the rear width by 0.7" but retain the rake on the car and speedo accuracy within 1% (table below - Tyre, Diameter, Height, Width, Wheel size)
I was wondering if anybody has tried this setup and could comment or if there are other options for these wheels I am missing ?
Cheers,
Richard
225/45R16 -2.8%24.0" 8.9" 16 x 7-8.5"
205/50R16 -2.4%24.1" 8.1" 16 x 5.5-7.5"
215/50R16 -0.8%24.5" 8.5" 16 x 6-7.5"
245/45R16 Equal24.7" 9.6" 16 x 7.5-9"
205/55R16 +0.8%24.9" 8.1" 16 x 5.5-7.5"
225/50R16 +0.8%24.9" 8.9" 16 x 6-8"
215/55R16 +2.4%25.3" 8.5" 16 x 6-7.5"
It Currently has old T1R's fitted that I will replace with new rubber.
They are currently fitted with 225/45/16 and 245/45/16
If I stick with these tyres the only branded matched set I can find is still in T1R's which whilst they seem ok on the TVR's I have driven I havent historically been a big fan of them finding them quite "wobbly" especially when they are fairly new.
Looking at slightly different fitments I can find Yokohama AD08R in 225/45/16 and 225/50/16. This would reduce the rear width by 0.7" but retain the rake on the car and speedo accuracy within 1% (table below - Tyre, Diameter, Height, Width, Wheel size)
I was wondering if anybody has tried this setup and could comment or if there are other options for these wheels I am missing ?
Cheers,
Richard
225/45R16 -2.8%24.0" 8.9" 16 x 7-8.5"
205/50R16 -2.4%24.1" 8.1" 16 x 5.5-7.5"
215/50R16 -0.8%24.5" 8.5" 16 x 6-7.5"
245/45R16 Equal24.7" 9.6" 16 x 7.5-9"
205/55R16 +0.8%24.9" 8.1" 16 x 5.5-7.5"
225/50R16 +0.8%24.9" 8.9" 16 x 6-8"
215/55R16 +2.4%25.3" 8.5" 16 x 6-7.5"
black_potato said:
It Currently has old T1R's fitted that I will replace with new rubber.
They are currently fitted with 225/45/16 and 245/45/16
Looking at slightly different fitments I can find Yokohama AD08R in 225/45/16 and 225/50/16. This would reduce the rear width by 0.7" but retain the rake on the car and speedo accuracy within 1% (table below - Tyre, Diameter, Height, Width, Wheel size)
I dislike the T1Rs - the sidewalls are too soft and the compound too hard for me. I currently have them on my Tuscan and can't wait to get rid. They are just about OK on track but when they let go, they don't come back to you. On damp greasy roads, I hate them.They are currently fitted with 225/45/16 and 245/45/16
Looking at slightly different fitments I can find Yokohama AD08R in 225/45/16 and 225/50/16. This would reduce the rear width by 0.7" but retain the rake on the car and speedo accuracy within 1% (table below - Tyre, Diameter, Height, Width, Wheel size)
I would go for the AD08Rs. They are an awesome tyre in greasy conditions and superb in the dry. I have used these on several of my other cars and they are what I will fit on the Tuscan (on 18s) in a month or so.
It is a shame that they don't do a 245 in a 16. It would be good to compare side by side size wise. Although I'd still probably prefer a slightly narrower AD08 than a T1R...
You can get those sizes on Toyo R888R, but they are more of a track tyre than you would perhaps want for road use.
If Yoko AD08 come in those sizes, then go for them.
A friend of mine with a Grief 500 has had them fitted for over a year now, though in the narrower factory sizes, and adores them both on road and track.
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If Yoko AD08 come in those sizes, then go for them.
A friend of mine with a Grief 500 has had them fitted for over a year now, though in the narrower factory sizes, and adores them both on road and track.
linky to his blog
Im leaning to the ADO8R, they are a fair bit more expensive but I think its worth the investment.
R888R are too track focused for me. I have R888 as track day tyres and R1R for road tyres on my lotus. Both great but not what I need on a car I want more road focused and not catch me out in standing water.
R888R are too track focused for me. I have R888 as track day tyres and R1R for road tyres on my lotus. Both great but not what I need on a car I want more road focused and not catch me out in standing water.
The tyres most likely to delight for road use on a TVR are Uniroyal Rainsport 3s, but you won’t get them that wide in 16 inch, sadly. They just cut through standing water and give superb grip wet or dry. A number of TVR owners have them, but in 205 and 225 widths. I am guessing you won’t be wanting to change to 17 inch wheels.
Thats interesting.. at 205/50/16 & 225/50/16 there is a lot of choice
Premium brands with a sport type tyre..
Continental Premium Contact 2s' (£89/109)
Dunlop Sport Maxx RT (£85/98)
Good year Efficient Grip performance (£83/89)
Yokohama AD08R (£113/121)
Mid Range
Uniroyal rainsport 3 (£70/72)
Toyo T1R (£72/65)
Khumo Ecsta HS51 (£59/74)
Hankook Ventus Prime 3 K125 (£67/73)
Prices from mytyres.co.uk
225/45R16 Equal24.0" 8.9" 16 x 7-8.5"
205/50R16 +0.4%24.1" 8.1" 16 x 5.5-7.5"
Premium brands with a sport type tyre..
Continental Premium Contact 2s' (£89/109)
Dunlop Sport Maxx RT (£85/98)
Good year Efficient Grip performance (£83/89)
Yokohama AD08R (£113/121)
Mid Range
Uniroyal rainsport 3 (£70/72)
Toyo T1R (£72/65)
Khumo Ecsta HS51 (£59/74)
Hankook Ventus Prime 3 K125 (£67/73)
Prices from mytyres.co.uk
225/45R16 Equal24.0" 8.9" 16 x 7-8.5"
205/50R16 +0.4%24.1" 8.1" 16 x 5.5-7.5"
I would buy the Rainsport 3s from that list. And will do as soon as I can man-maths the change from barely worn Toyo R1Rs.......which of course I could always put on EBay.
Ask ClassicChim for his verdict on them as Chimaera tyres. He has been running on them for some months now, doing his damndest to make them lose traction on cold wet roundabouts. And there are a number of other cars shod with them.
I love them on my Saab and Volvo. They inspire such confidence.
Ask ClassicChim for his verdict on them as Chimaera tyres. He has been running on them for some months now, doing his damndest to make them lose traction on cold wet roundabouts. And there are a number of other cars shod with them.
I love them on my Saab and Volvo. They inspire such confidence.
Edited by QBee on Tuesday 2nd January 08:47
Most likely RE002s. I've been running those for the past 3-4 years, too. Not the best tyre there is, but probably the best you can find in the correct 15" front size/speed rating. Seems quite well matched to the car, overall characteristics seem similar to the S02/03/PPs that the later Chim/Griff cars came on ex-works.
QBee said:
I would buy the Rainsport 3s from that list. And will do as soon as I can man-maths the change from barely worn Toyo R1Rs.......which of course I could always put on EBay.
Ask ClassicChim for his verdict on them as Chimaera tyres. He has been running on them for some months now, doing his damndest to make them lose traction on cold wet roundabouts. And there are a number of other cars shod with them.
I love them on my Saab and Volvo. They inspire such confidence.
I've ordered a set of the rainsports in 205/50/16 and 225/50/16. that should only change the width and then my a consistent amount front and rear.Ask ClassicChim for his verdict on them as Chimaera tyres. He has been running on them for some months now, doing his damndest to make them lose traction on cold wet roundabouts. And there are a number of other cars shod with them.
I love them on my Saab and Volvo. They inspire such confidence.
Edited by QBee on Tuesday 2nd January 08:47
If they arent any good I'll come to you for a refund
Used the Rainsport 3 on the Tam and Sag. Beaut. Rain, shine, cold, hot and trackdays. No issues from me.
I wouldn't get too hung up on widths. The mismatched sizes front / rear on the T350 and Tamora (for 18-inch wheels) was so they fitted in the arches. The 16-inch shod versions had the same size all round - same suspension etc.... They then reverted to the same size all round on the Sag with the wider track.
I wouldn't get too hung up on widths. The mismatched sizes front / rear on the T350 and Tamora (for 18-inch wheels) was so they fitted in the arches. The 16-inch shod versions had the same size all round - same suspension etc.... They then reverted to the same size all round on the Sag with the wider track.
Have you noticed how much more grip you have on the Rainsport yet, or there ability to take holes and bumps in the road, my car glides on them compared to rock Hard T1R 
and grip at this time of year is very impressive.
During the summer months they warm a bit and add even more appeal.
I Hope you like them.
If you’ve not really known a Tvr on older tyres you won’t know just what a difference these tyres make.
Your car should handle much better, things you take for granted in modern cars can be hairy in a Tvr and these tyres cancel a lot of it out.
Great for road cars as they are soft like we need yet lots of grooves.
Tvr aquaplane because they have the wrong tyres on, not with these tyres it won’t
For anything other than a hot trackday these tyres are just the job for a light car like ours.
Enjoy your Griff
and grip at this time of year is very impressive. During the summer months they warm a bit and add even more appeal.
I Hope you like them.
If you’ve not really known a Tvr on older tyres you won’t know just what a difference these tyres make.
Your car should handle much better, things you take for granted in modern cars can be hairy in a Tvr and these tyres cancel a lot of it out.
Great for road cars as they are soft like we need yet lots of grooves.
Tvr aquaplane because they have the wrong tyres on, not with these tyres it won’t
For anything other than a hot trackday these tyres are just the job for a light car like ours.
Enjoy your Griff
So far so good.
I drove 200 miles on the t1r and have disliked them on other cars all though to be fair didnt push them hard on the Griff.
Rainsports fitted and they feel fine so far (20 or so miles). I Also had the front alignment done and it feels a lot better at speed now. What was also a lucky find was a fitter who has had and wants another Griff so he gave the car a good look over. He checked all the joints, chassis etc.. and said it was a good one.
Only point of note was the ARB brace on the passenger side rear wishbone which he noted has a small bend in it. Apparently something that happens on most and on occasion breaks completely.
Anyway.. overall a good service @ f1autocenter Colchester
I drove 200 miles on the t1r and have disliked them on other cars all though to be fair didnt push them hard on the Griff.
Rainsports fitted and they feel fine so far (20 or so miles). I Also had the front alignment done and it feels a lot better at speed now. What was also a lucky find was a fitter who has had and wants another Griff so he gave the car a good look over. He checked all the joints, chassis etc.. and said it was a good one.
Only point of note was the ARB brace on the passenger side rear wishbone which he noted has a small bend in it. Apparently something that happens on most and on occasion breaks completely.
Anyway.. overall a good service @ f1autocenter Colchester
Yes they can go weak and snap
I’ve got the same on one, it’s actually broken.
I removed the rear ARB a couple of years ago now.
I’ve got some stronger braces to replace the weaker Tvr ones when I eventually get round to do the job.
I don’t really miss the rear arb for road driving.
T1R are ok and reasonsble in the dry but compared to Rainsport like solid rubber and nowhere near the grip.
You’ve made a good choice.
I’ve got the same on one, it’s actually broken.
I removed the rear ARB a couple of years ago now.
I’ve got some stronger braces to replace the weaker Tvr ones when I eventually get round to do the job.
I don’t really miss the rear arb for road driving.
T1R are ok and reasonsble in the dry but compared to Rainsport like solid rubber and nowhere near the grip.
You’ve made a good choice.
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