Defender for daily drive?
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Not wanting creature comforts but do need four seats, hence the 90.
Happy with the lack of performance and the drive - just fed up of 5 trips to the dealer in 4 months and each for a several day stay.
Friday's collection at half four, for the same problem to occur two hours later has really annoyed me.
My old Defender (a D reg) never had an issue and I've had Range Rovers, Discoverys, Range Rover Sports too since then.
Happy with the lack of performance and the drive - just fed up of 5 trips to the dealer in 4 months and each for a several day stay.
Friday's collection at half four, for the same problem to occur two hours later has really annoyed me.
My old Defender (a D reg) never had an issue and I've had Range Rovers, Discoverys, Range Rover Sports too since then.
Davel said:
Not wanting creature comforts but do need four seats, hence the 90.
Happy with the lack of performance and the drive - just fed up of 5 trips to the dealer in 4 months and each for a several day stay.
Friday's collection at half four, for the same problem to occur two hours later has really annoyed me.
My old Defender (a D reg) never had an issue and I've had Range Rovers, Discoverys, Range Rover Sports too since then.
I think the trick is - and I speak from bitter experience - to buy an older one that's been well sorted at someone else's time and expense. I have 2 at the moment - both bought like this. The main one is a 300 tdi and I bought it from a guy that had done everything to it. All I've done is change the cam belt as a precaution, have it professionally waxoyled again - and it hasn't missed a beat in 10,000 miles. It's fantastic - and I know he's literally been through every single component which gives me some comfort. I'd expect it to be MUCH more reliable than one fresh out of the factory... The other one for what it's worth is a 200tdi Hi Cap and bought with everything done and a galv chassis to boot - but only done a few hundred miles in it so far. Sell your new one and get a nicely rebuilt 300tdiHappy with the lack of performance and the drive - just fed up of 5 trips to the dealer in 4 months and each for a several day stay.
Friday's collection at half four, for the same problem to occur two hours later has really annoyed me.
My old Defender (a D reg) never had an issue and I've had Range Rovers, Discoverys, Range Rover Sports too since then.
Edited by billywhizzzzzz on Sunday 9th December 19:19
Davel said:
Well EGR sensor/valve supposedly fixed for a third time in five months.
How many friggin EGRs are there in mine?
I always thought one!
.How many friggin EGRs are there in mine?
I always thought one!
Hi Davel,
Unfortunate the number of times back and forth to the dealer.
But sorry to tell you, but this is "par for the course"
I can feel you are almost at the door of the Land Cruiser dealer.
No one is going to push you though, you will make the move by yourself.
As I said previously, many times in different forums, "Land Rovers are great" but expect them to break down. LR haven't kept up with the reliability requirements, which is what you are witnessing now.
Sure you can buy a Range Rover, or a Discovery, just your repair bills will be bigger.
Be sensible, and take a demo drive in a Land Cruiser.
vette
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Davel said:
Ha ha!
Even the Tamora is more relaible than my Defender now....
Not sure a single sensors really counts as unreliable. Annoying yes, but as the sometimes childish Crossflow Kid said, just blank it off.Even the Tamora is more relaible than my Defender now....
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Tuesday 11th December 09:55
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Tuesday 11th December 09:55
Crossflow Kid said:
Why don't you just blank off the EGR like everyone else does?
.But you shouldn't need to do any thing,
That's the point.
They are unreliable, and that's that.
Does the fact that LR prop up the Reliability index?
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/ratings/best/Large...
So I guess by blanking off the EGR is going to sort out the rattles and squeaks?
vette
uk_vette said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Why don't you just blank off the EGR like everyone else does?
.But you shouldn't need to do any thing,
That's the point.
They are unreliable, and that's that.
Does the fact that LR prop up the Reliability index?
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/ratings/best/Large...
So I guess by blanking off the EGR is going to sort out the rattles and squeaks?
vette
uk_vette said:
But you shouldn't need to do any thing,
That's the point.
How's that work then? So every other car that ever graced our roads is perfect in every way when it leaves the factory?That's the point.
Hmmm, thought not.
And that reliability index doesn't show Defender, does it? It shows Range Rover as bottom, with a score blighted by the unrelenting need to provide fickle owners with voice-activated rear view mirror adjustment, heated tow bars and more cup holders than there are seats in the car....and when the "soft-close" facility on the glove box lid fails, feck me, suddenly the car gets branded as hideously unreliable.
And apparently your precious Land Cruiser averages over £500 per repair as opposed to Disco and RRS which both hover around the £300 mark.
But....
uk_vette said:
They are unreliable, and that's that.
Conclusive argument you've got there. So I admit defeat.Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 11th December 10:39
My problem is that I like Land Rovers.
Three EGR faults in five months alone are frustrating enough.
Leaking and rattling window frame and failed body seal with water ingress have just added to it really.
Oh and when I bought the car, the dealer told me in great detail about the previous owner, not the other two that appeared on the V5 when it arrived.
So I just have asked about previous owners but I do feel that they should have changed the valve two days after I bought the car and when it first went wrong.
According to the dealer who replaced it yesterday, it was still on the original valve so what did they do to the car on the other two instances?
Personally would have been happy if they had just blanked it off, just so long as the issue had been fixed.
Three EGR faults in five months alone are frustrating enough.
Leaking and rattling window frame and failed body seal with water ingress have just added to it really.
Oh and when I bought the car, the dealer told me in great detail about the previous owner, not the other two that appeared on the V5 when it arrived.
So I just have asked about previous owners but I do feel that they should have changed the valve two days after I bought the car and when it first went wrong.
According to the dealer who replaced it yesterday, it was still on the original valve so what did they do to the car on the other two instances?
Personally would have been happy if they had just blanked it off, just so long as the issue had been fixed.
Davel said:
My problem is that I like Land Rovers.
Three EGR faults in five months alone are frustrating enough.
I can see this being frustrating, but it's hardly alarm bells at being a badly designed or unreliable vehicle. All it points to is a crappy sensors or sensor setup that once the vehicle is type approved actually has no bearing on real world use.Three EGR faults in five months alone are frustrating enough.
Yes it's a bugger, but if you like the vehicle just deal with it and don't let such a small insignificant thing cloud your judgement. At the end of the day the only loser will be you if you do.
Davel said:
Leaking and rattling window frame and failed body seal with water ingress have just added to it really.
To be honest that sounds like a perfectly normal Land Rover. The first ones back in 1948 did it and personally I hope the last Defenders still do it. If this sort of thing bothers you, you have simply bought the wrong vehicle for you.Davel said:
Oh and when I bought the car, the dealer told me in great detail about the previous owner, not the other two that appeared on the V5 when it arrived.
Sounds like a sales person issue and not related to the vehicle itself. Also nothing was stopping you researching the vehicles history independently before purchase.Davel said:
So I just have asked about previous owners but I do feel that they should have changed the valve two days after I bought the car and when it first went wrong.
According to the dealer who replaced it yesterday, it was still on the original valve so what did they do to the car on the other two instances?
Personally would have been happy if they had just blanked it off, just so long as the issue had been fixed.
A dealer won't blank it off. You need to go elsewhere for that, but that's probably no bad thing.According to the dealer who replaced it yesterday, it was still on the original valve so what did they do to the car on the other two instances?
Personally would have been happy if they had just blanked it off, just so long as the issue had been fixed.
Davel said:
Fair enough - just pretty bloody pissed off with it at the moment and the dealer should have sorted it first time.
As it is, a second dealer has had to sort it.
Yup, this is exactly the sort of problem I had 20 years ago when I bought a Disco from my local dealer. They were frankly sh!te and robbers. Told me I needed a new steering box (at £800 fitted) when adjusting the preload on the swivels fixed the problem for a tenner at a knowledgeable independent. Never gone back really.As it is, a second dealer has had to sort it.
I'm in a 1985 90 which has had most of it's oily bits changed over the years and is now a 4.6 auto on (lpg). If I had my chance again I would get someone to build me a galv chassis/bukhead 90 to my specs and would have saved all that messing around with the Disco! Hindsight is wonderful
I have had a Land Rover of one sort or another since then and currently see no reason to change. I used to travel 40 miles / day in it. Fitted better seats, first from a Audi 90 Sport, then from a P38 Range Rover. Changed the steering wheel to a sensible size (can go cheap Mountney + boss for approx 60 quid, or get a Momo - although at one point it was wearing a Cerbera one...)
I find in-ear sennheiser earphones sort the worst noise on faster journeys and allow some peace from the kids
Keep the faith. They are unlike anything else and once into a club or a group are brilliant. Also get it off-road - find out just what you've bought. I was teaching a couple with their 2.4 td4 110 this afternoon and the grins were huge - no damage. Pay and Play can be full of macho nutters but see BORDA or LANTRA for some basic training (I'm a BORDA Specialist Trainer and on Cornwall/Devon border so not touting for business if you are in Cheshire!).
Cheers
PS Currently having to drive a 1.9 tdi Seat as the 4.6 is sick and won't run on LPG but runs magnificently on Super unleaded.
Edited by kourgath on Wednesday 12th December 00:11
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