Land Rover Defender retrim, anyone got any experience?
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I'm looking at getting a Defender, looking to personalise it, especially the interior changing the front seats and rethinking the seats, dash, door cards etc in leather to make it a bit nicer inside. Other than the obvious Overfinch, does anyone have any experience or knows a good company that can do this?
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Honestly??
Buy a different vehicle. If you can't cope with how a Defender is inside as standard, you are unlikely to cope with it after you've spent a fortune on the interior either. No matter how much money you throw at the interior, you'll never change the fundamentals of the basic construction of the vehicle. So it will never be ultra refined, spacious and comfortable.
Stock seats are by and large very comfortable anyway and allow access to the battery. Aftermarket ones usually don't and more often than not only make it harder to get in and out of rather than achieving anything positive.
Buy a different vehicle. If you can't cope with how a Defender is inside as standard, you are unlikely to cope with it after you've spent a fortune on the interior either. No matter how much money you throw at the interior, you'll never change the fundamentals of the basic construction of the vehicle. So it will never be ultra refined, spacious and comfortable.
Stock seats are by and large very comfortable anyway and allow access to the battery. Aftermarket ones usually don't and more often than not only make it harder to get in and out of rather than achieving anything positive.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 19th April 14:27
Seriously....?
From someone that has modified pretty much every car hes had, to question wanting to simply improve an interior that's pretty basic, I find your comments rather strange
I don't recall mentioning we couldn't live with, or didn't like, the fundamentals of the Defender or wanting to change the construction, are you sure you read the correct thread?
We love the Defender, its the fun element and the character we like, that isn't going to change by bringing the Defender interior a little more up to date? We also wouldn't update it to seats that are out of character or make it difficult to get in or out of? But thanks for your input it was duly read and ignored
From someone that has modified pretty much every car hes had, to question wanting to simply improve an interior that's pretty basic, I find your comments rather strange
I don't recall mentioning we couldn't live with, or didn't like, the fundamentals of the Defender or wanting to change the construction, are you sure you read the correct thread?
We love the Defender, its the fun element and the character we like, that isn't going to change by bringing the Defender interior a little more up to date? We also wouldn't update it to seats that are out of character or make it difficult to get in or out of? But thanks for your input it was duly read and ignored
300bhp/ton said:
Honestly??
Buy a different vehicle. If you can't cope with how a Defender is inside as standard, you are unlikely to cope with it after you've spent a fortune on the interior either. No matter how much money you throw at the interior, you'll never change the fundamentals of the basic construction of the vehicle. So it will never be ultra refined, spacious and comfortable.
Stock seats are buy and large very comfortable anyway and allow access to the battery. Aftermarket ones usually don't and more often than not only make it harder to get in and out of rather than achieving anything positive.
Buy a different vehicle. If you can't cope with how a Defender is inside as standard, you are unlikely to cope with it after you've spent a fortune on the interior either. No matter how much money you throw at the interior, you'll never change the fundamentals of the basic construction of the vehicle. So it will never be ultra refined, spacious and comfortable.
Stock seats are buy and large very comfortable anyway and allow access to the battery. Aftermarket ones usually don't and more often than not only make it harder to get in and out of rather than achieving anything positive.
The thing is, the Defender is sadly the lifestyle trinket of choice at the moment. Maybe you don't fall into this category, I don't know? But looking at your profile and current/past cars. You don't really come across as the off roady type. And far more of the road going fashion and style worrying kind of person (nothing wrong with this if you are, but hence why I'm saying what I am).
As a rule, people only want to spend on the interior of a Defender to try and change the character of the vehicle, i.e. make it something it isn't. Usually to try and make it more quiet and refined. Or to coin your words:
"bringing the Defender interior a little more up to date?"
How exactly do you think adding "leather" will make the interior more up to date???
The charm comes from the basicness of the vehicle. Along similar lines, would you buy a Caterham and want to spruce the interior up with bits of leather and urban trim? Or accept that the actual appeal of the vehicle comes from it's basic design, layout and simplistic interior & performance?
The standard interior is perfectly functional, robust and does the job.
I do like modding I agree, but modding a Defender interior would be along the lines of adding useful dials like an EGT gauge, boost gauge and rev counter. Along with things like a CB radio, aux switch panel, somewhere to hold a torch or some tools.
If you want to add leather, then I'm in no position to stop you. However having been part of the Land Rover scene for 30 years and having seen and spoken to many people over that time. It is a frequent thing in recent times, that people buy a 90/110, moan it's slow, unrefined and cramped, spend a fortune on modding it to 'modernise' it for road use. Only to find it's still the same as it was before, only they have now spent a fortune on it. They then sell it claiming this and that as a rule.
Just as a for instance, have you driven or spent much time in a Defender?
Personally I love them, but they are not to all taste. There is little elbow room, the handbrake is close to your leg and some people find little overall space in them.
The gap between the bottom of the steering wheel and seat is not large, which is why if you fit any kind of seat with side bolsters on the seat base it makes getting in and out far more difficult. Aftermarket steering wheels always have a deep boss which will move the steering wheel forward making this even worse in most cases.
However in terms of refinement and noise. The biggest issue with the Defender is, the body is mounted metal to metal on the chassis. You'll never solve this with updated interiors, which largely produces the difference between a Defender and a modern car feel.
Vehicles like a classic Range Rover or Discovery 1 are completely different, while sharing largely the same chassis and engines. The body of these is mounted on rubber donuts to isolate it from the chassis. As well as having a single piece body tub, which the Defender does not.
The RRC/D1 also have harmonic balancers on the axles and lots of other refinement points. Which is why they have far superior NVH levels over even the last of the Tdci Defenders.
If you really wanting lifestyle tuning parts, then there are loads of places to pander for this current market segment. Just pick-up any Land Rover magazine and flick through the shiny adverts in it. But be warned, many are priced accordingly with a hefty dose of bling tax added on to most of the bits. And many of the items are just generic parts you can buy from other places.
I'm not knocking you wanting a Defender, or for wanting to modify one. But if you want it as a road warrior with a nice interior, you are likely only to be disappointed in the long run.
If you aren't going to be:
-off roading
-towing
-hauling
-using the utility side of the vehicle
Then the reality is, you'd probably have a better ownership experience with a different vehicle. Maybe a nice V8 Range Rover Classic. It probably won't have a leather covered dash either, but it's a nice place to sit.
As a rule, people only want to spend on the interior of a Defender to try and change the character of the vehicle, i.e. make it something it isn't. Usually to try and make it more quiet and refined. Or to coin your words:
"bringing the Defender interior a little more up to date?"
How exactly do you think adding "leather" will make the interior more up to date???
The charm comes from the basicness of the vehicle. Along similar lines, would you buy a Caterham and want to spruce the interior up with bits of leather and urban trim? Or accept that the actual appeal of the vehicle comes from it's basic design, layout and simplistic interior & performance?
The standard interior is perfectly functional, robust and does the job.
I do like modding I agree, but modding a Defender interior would be along the lines of adding useful dials like an EGT gauge, boost gauge and rev counter. Along with things like a CB radio, aux switch panel, somewhere to hold a torch or some tools.
If you want to add leather, then I'm in no position to stop you. However having been part of the Land Rover scene for 30 years and having seen and spoken to many people over that time. It is a frequent thing in recent times, that people buy a 90/110, moan it's slow, unrefined and cramped, spend a fortune on modding it to 'modernise' it for road use. Only to find it's still the same as it was before, only they have now spent a fortune on it. They then sell it claiming this and that as a rule.
Just as a for instance, have you driven or spent much time in a Defender?
Personally I love them, but they are not to all taste. There is little elbow room, the handbrake is close to your leg and some people find little overall space in them.
The gap between the bottom of the steering wheel and seat is not large, which is why if you fit any kind of seat with side bolsters on the seat base it makes getting in and out far more difficult. Aftermarket steering wheels always have a deep boss which will move the steering wheel forward making this even worse in most cases.
However in terms of refinement and noise. The biggest issue with the Defender is, the body is mounted metal to metal on the chassis. You'll never solve this with updated interiors, which largely produces the difference between a Defender and a modern car feel.
Vehicles like a classic Range Rover or Discovery 1 are completely different, while sharing largely the same chassis and engines. The body of these is mounted on rubber donuts to isolate it from the chassis. As well as having a single piece body tub, which the Defender does not.
The RRC/D1 also have harmonic balancers on the axles and lots of other refinement points. Which is why they have far superior NVH levels over even the last of the Tdci Defenders.
If you really wanting lifestyle tuning parts, then there are loads of places to pander for this current market segment. Just pick-up any Land Rover magazine and flick through the shiny adverts in it. But be warned, many are priced accordingly with a hefty dose of bling tax added on to most of the bits. And many of the items are just generic parts you can buy from other places.
I'm not knocking you wanting a Defender, or for wanting to modify one. But if you want it as a road warrior with a nice interior, you are likely only to be disappointed in the long run.
If you aren't going to be:
-off roading
-towing
-hauling
-using the utility side of the vehicle
Then the reality is, you'd probably have a better ownership experience with a different vehicle. Maybe a nice V8 Range Rover Classic. It probably won't have a leather covered dash either, but it's a nice place to sit.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 19th April 15:11
300bhp/ton said:
Just as a for instance, have you driven or spent much time in a Defender?
I have, during a student summer job 30 years ago. It was a bloody awful thing, and I was driving it around a farm. The steering was so heavy that in turns taken at reasonable speed I had to take my feet off the pedals so that I could brace them against the floor and hang on to the wheel. I don't believe that there was anything wrong with it as it was on hire from the local dealer, but it certainly lacked any form of power steering. After it went back I did the fetching and carrying using either a 1944 grey Fergy or a sack barrow, both of which were a better driving experience than that bloody Landy.battered said:
I have, during a student summer job 30 years ago. It was a bloody awful thing, and I was driving it around a farm. The steering was so heavy that in turns taken at reasonable speed I had to take my feet off the pedals so that I could brace them against the floor and hang on to the wheel. I don't believe that there was anything wrong with it as it was on hire from the local dealer, but it certainly lacked any form of power steering. After it went back I did the fetching and carrying using either a 1944 grey Fergy or a sack barrow, both of which were a better driving experience than that bloody Landy.
All Defenders have PAS, some early 90/110's didn't and some 2.5NAD MoD ones.Steering shouldn't have been too heavy though, not once moving. All Series Land Rover's from 1948 to 1984 had no power steering. And when setup and working correctly are actually fine.
It's off road there's a big difference. Non-PAS the steering wheel will get ripped out of your hands and spin about on it's own as the tyres hit ruts, roots, boulders and rocks. PAS gives you a fighting chance to keep hold of the steering in such conditions.
But it's paramount to never have your thumbs inside the rim of the steering wheel when off road, even with PAS the wheel can be whipped round quick enough to break them!
300bhp/ton said:
All Defenders have PAS, some early 90/110's didn't and some 2.5NAD MoD ones.
I can't remember the model, it was just a farm vehicle and I was a student. It was newish, I remember,and LWB, and I suspect more forst of the coil springs than last of the Series 3s. Probably a 110, we used it to tow a small combine around on a trailer.300bhp/ton said:
Steering shouldn't have been too heavy though, not once moving. All Series Land Rover's from 1948 to 1984 had no power steering. And when setup and working correctly are actually fine.
That's what I thought too, and as I say it was a newish vehicle hired from the local LR dealer for use on the farm. Now OK, I was 9st + not much when aged 20 but I was fit enough, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that I had to take my feet off the pedals to brace them on the floor. This is on road, as you entered the turn and it loaded up the forces were incredible.300bhp/ton said:
It's off road there's a big difference...
But it's paramount to never have your thumbs inside the rim of the steering wheel when off road, even with PAS the wheel can be whipped round quick enough to break them!
I heard this and watched out for it. Never found it a problem off road, but I was generally going very slowly with a trailer attached. Engage low ratio, select 2 or 3, foot off clutch, point it where you want to go.But it's paramount to never have your thumbs inside the rim of the steering wheel when off road, even with PAS the wheel can be whipped round quick enough to break them!
I've since driven a mate's 1985 model V8 (S3) and it's fine. A bus, but fine. But that hired one was a shocker.
300bhp/ton said:
I suppose there is a possibility it was a PAS equipped one, but with with the PAS not working for some reason. Now that would be as you describe. The steering box simply isn't designed to be used without power assistance and the steering is very heavy and will load up.
I did wonder if that was the case at the time. As you say it's possible, and as it sat the thing was unsafe. If a young man of 20 is barely strong enough to hang onto the wheel, what chance has anyone else unless they are a 14st brickie?To actually answer the OP's question, there's plenty of places to buy bits to make your Defender a bit more comfortable.
First of all I should point out I have a relationship with Corbeau so I'm not unbiased but I have their RRS's in mine with lower squab bolsters to ease entry and egress. They do a few options with the low bolsters and they are essential, I used to have regular buckets and they were a pain to climb over to get into the car. Recaro do a similar option with their Sportster CS's which are also a nice seat.
Corbeau's fitment and subframes are also really good, they use the original sliders and raise the frame just over the seat box lip in station wagons without a bulkhead so you can move the seat further back and win some much needed leg room without sitting in the roof.
Exmoor trim also do less 'sporty' seats which will be an improvement in comfort over standard. They also do padded cubby boxes which lift the interior a bit and are much more comfy as an arm rest than the standard item.
As captain helpful mentioned you do lose the ability to get straight to the battery box with aftermarket seats but this is easily overcome for most issues by installing a covered positive terminal on the front of the seat box. I also wired in a Ctek charger to keep the batteries healthy
In terms of trimming the doorcards and dash it's probably best value to find a local trimmer and buy some leather from whoever you buy your seats from so it matches.
First of all I should point out I have a relationship with Corbeau so I'm not unbiased but I have their RRS's in mine with lower squab bolsters to ease entry and egress. They do a few options with the low bolsters and they are essential, I used to have regular buckets and they were a pain to climb over to get into the car. Recaro do a similar option with their Sportster CS's which are also a nice seat.
Corbeau's fitment and subframes are also really good, they use the original sliders and raise the frame just over the seat box lip in station wagons without a bulkhead so you can move the seat further back and win some much needed leg room without sitting in the roof.
Exmoor trim also do less 'sporty' seats which will be an improvement in comfort over standard. They also do padded cubby boxes which lift the interior a bit and are much more comfy as an arm rest than the standard item.
As captain helpful mentioned you do lose the ability to get straight to the battery box with aftermarket seats but this is easily overcome for most issues by installing a covered positive terminal on the front of the seat box. I also wired in a Ctek charger to keep the batteries healthy
In terms of trimming the doorcards and dash it's probably best value to find a local trimmer and buy some leather from whoever you buy your seats from so it matches.
Edited by The Wookie on Wednesday 19th April 19:48
The Wookie said:
To actually answer the OP's question, there's plenty of places to buy bits to make your Defender a bit more comfortable.
First of all I should point out I have a relationship with Corbeau so I'm not unbiased but I have their RRS's in mine with lower squab bolsters to ease entry and egress. They do a few options with the low bolsters and they are essential, I used to have regular buckets and they were a pain to climb over to get into the car. Recaro do a similar option with their Sportster CS's which are also a nice seat.
Corbeau's fitment and subframes are also really good, they use the original sliders and raise the frame just over the seat box lip in station wagons without a bulkhead so you can move the seat further back and win some much needed leg room without sitting in the roof.
Exmoor trim also do less 'sporty' seats which will be an improvement in comfort over standard. They also do padded cubby boxes which lift the interior a bit and are much more comfy as an arm rest than the standard item.
As captain helpful mentioned you do lose the ability to get straight to the battery box with aftermarket seats but this is easily overcome for most issues by installing a covered positive terminal on the front of the seat box. I also wired in a Ctek charger to keep the batteries healthy
In terms of trimming the doorcards and dash it's probably best value to find a local trimmer and buy some leather from whoever you buy your seats from so it matches.
Thanks for getting this back on topic, much appreciated. I will certainly look at the options you mention, thanks some helpful tips there. I have already found a local trimmer, so might just go the full retrim of original seats route. I'm going to keep the car a while first and see how it goes, it is a lot different to what we are used to, but modern cars don't have character and looking forward to it. I had an old V8S TVR some years ago, loved it, I completely transformed it, over time, (photos in profile) but kept it looking close to original, just updated it, 'pimping' a car to be something it isn't is not what we are after. First of all I should point out I have a relationship with Corbeau so I'm not unbiased but I have their RRS's in mine with lower squab bolsters to ease entry and egress. They do a few options with the low bolsters and they are essential, I used to have regular buckets and they were a pain to climb over to get into the car. Recaro do a similar option with their Sportster CS's which are also a nice seat.
Corbeau's fitment and subframes are also really good, they use the original sliders and raise the frame just over the seat box lip in station wagons without a bulkhead so you can move the seat further back and win some much needed leg room without sitting in the roof.
Exmoor trim also do less 'sporty' seats which will be an improvement in comfort over standard. They also do padded cubby boxes which lift the interior a bit and are much more comfy as an arm rest than the standard item.
As captain helpful mentioned you do lose the ability to get straight to the battery box with aftermarket seats but this is easily overcome for most issues by installing a covered positive terminal on the front of the seat box. I also wired in a Ctek charger to keep the batteries healthy
In terms of trimming the doorcards and dash it's probably best value to find a local trimmer and buy some leather from whoever you buy your seats from so it matches.
Edited by The Wookie on Wednesday 19th April 19:48
Thanks again for your advice.
V8Smith said:
Thanks for getting this back on topic, much appreciated. I will certainly look at the options you mention, thanks some helpful tips there. I have already found a local trimmer, so might just go the full retrim of original seats route. I'm going to keep the car a while first and see how it goes, it is a lot different to what we are used to, but modern cars don't have character and looking forward to it. I had an old V8S TVR some years ago, loved it, I completely transformed it, over time, (photos in profile) but kept it looking close to original, just updated it, 'pimping' a car to be something it isn't is not what we are after.
Thanks again for your advice.
No probs! I'd try out the original seats, I don't know about the later models but I never got on with them!Thanks again for your advice.
I know what you're trying to achieve, I've had my Defender for years and love it, over the years it's helped launch my racing career as a faithful tow wagon, saved me much time wading through floods near my parents' house, and been axle deep in muddy lanes and fields.
These days it's retired and I have it as a toy so I've put road biased suspension and tyres along with some sound deadening, a decent stereo and the seats. It was never that agricultural as it's a petrol, but it's still a much more pleasant place to be for the upgrades and it's still 95% as useful as it was before. If I want it to be 99% as useful I'd just put the off-road tyres back on.
Visually it was always a bit... loud in BMW santorini blue but it's remained close to standard with only a few minor visual tweaks like LED indicators/side lights, crystal headlights and slightly larger reproductions of the OEM wheels so it's sharpened it up without it looking too aftermarket! If you pick up a Landy mag there's loads of nice little bolt on tweaks to make it yours without going for the full TOWIE look
I fitted Exmoor Trim seats to mine, front and back - it's from 2003 and although the seats were OK, they weren't great and I wanted more support.
Front seats are easy to put in (4 bolts each) and the seat bases remove to access the battery. As mentioned earlier, replacing the cubby is also an easy way to get a bit more comfort.
Rear seats not so straight forward - and the guide they sent looked like it had been photocopied about 15 times by a printer running out of ink - you need to drill through the floor, but it's easier than it sounds.
as for doortrim/dash - can't offer much advice except post 2007 have a better dash
The original intention of mine was for family/dog transport, but my wife vetoed that after a drive from Cornwall to Kent and back.. It's now the 2nd car and is great for everything I want to do in it, and the kids love it - have now had it longer than any other car I've owned and I just sold my M135i rather than the defender as my annual mileage way too low to have two cars to myself..
Front seats are easy to put in (4 bolts each) and the seat bases remove to access the battery. As mentioned earlier, replacing the cubby is also an easy way to get a bit more comfort.
Rear seats not so straight forward - and the guide they sent looked like it had been photocopied about 15 times by a printer running out of ink - you need to drill through the floor, but it's easier than it sounds.
as for doortrim/dash - can't offer much advice except post 2007 have a better dash
The original intention of mine was for family/dog transport, but my wife vetoed that after a drive from Cornwall to Kent and back.. It's now the 2nd car and is great for everything I want to do in it, and the kids love it - have now had it longer than any other car I've owned and I just sold my M135i rather than the defender as my annual mileage way too low to have two cars to myself..
sp222 said:
I fitted Exmoor Trim seats to mine, front and back - it's from 2003 and although the seats were OK, they weren't great and I wanted more support.
A friend had the Exmoor trim seats, he has actually just replaced them. Don't think there was anything really bad about them, just not great and as per all of Exmoor trims range. Very very expensive for the quality.I think there are 3 main flavours of stock seat. The classic fitted from the first models in the mid 1980's all the way through the Td5's and maybe the early Puma's.
They could be fabric or vinyl, but essentially the same seat. I personally like these seats, maybe not the greatest to look at, but functional and I find them very comfy.
The 2.2 Puma's at some point got some different seats, not sure of the exact date, but my uncle has a 12 plate pick up. These arguably look nicer than the classic seats visually and look like they should be more supportive. However I find them quite uncomfortable compared to the classic seats.
Then there are the leather seats, not sure what LR called them, but a costly option. My uncle has these in his 16 plate hard top. And the friend who had the Exmoor seats has swapped to these. They look very very nice IMO and are comfy too.
sp222 said:
as for doortrim/dash - can't offer much advice except post 2007 have a better dash
Door trims are simple moulded plastic on latter vehicles. Should just screw/fix on like most simple door cards. I see no reason why you couldn't get them retrimmed or even a simple leather covered alternative. Older models may have had vinyl covered door trims.As for the dash. Puma's have the Disco 3 styled dash. It sort of looks nice, but in many ways is far inferior to the older dash. It's a lot bigger, gives you less interior space and very little stowage space. Anyone who has owned a pre-Puma Defender will know just how handy the big dash tray is, a trait from the Series vehicles.
The new dash also doesn't have the passenger side handle for getting in, mounted on the side of the dash like the older ones do.
Sorry to be negative but Defenders are hateful things (I've had two, I didn't learn the first time).
Yes as a farm tool or an off-roading toy they are great, but if it's a road only vehicle, why subject yourself to something so uncomfortable, cold (you'll struggle to get the cabin warm in winter unless it's a fairly new one) and with such bad road manners.
I've just bought a Range Rover and I love it. It's like driving a sofa but it actually handles pretty well considering it's 2500kg.
I love the look of Defenders, I had a special edition Tomb Raider one that looked (in my opinion) very cool. But that didn't go very far to make up for all its faults.
If you must have one, by all means go for it - I would get a V8 auto but they're rare and expensive.
Know what you're letting yourself in for though! The novelty will wear off.
Yes as a farm tool or an off-roading toy they are great, but if it's a road only vehicle, why subject yourself to something so uncomfortable, cold (you'll struggle to get the cabin warm in winter unless it's a fairly new one) and with such bad road manners.
I've just bought a Range Rover and I love it. It's like driving a sofa but it actually handles pretty well considering it's 2500kg.
I love the look of Defenders, I had a special edition Tomb Raider one that looked (in my opinion) very cool. But that didn't go very far to make up for all its faults.
If you must have one, by all means go for it - I would get a V8 auto but they're rare and expensive.
Know what you're letting yourself in for though! The novelty will wear off.
Timbuktu said:
Sorry to be negative but Defenders are hateful things (I've had two, I didn't learn the first time).
Yes as a farm tool or an off-roading toy they are great, but if it's a road only vehicle, why subject yourself to something so uncomfortable, cold (you'll struggle to get the cabin warm in winter unless it's a fairly new one) and with such bad road manners.
You've said it yourself, they look cool. Most of my driving is in town or on motorways between cities. I suspect that goes for most of us, the times you get a winding country road with no cameras on it are rare events for most of us. On that basis something that looks the part makes perfect sense, after all you are generally under 30mph or in a straight line on the M whatever at (ahem) 70 officer.Yes as a farm tool or an off-roading toy they are great, but if it's a road only vehicle, why subject yourself to something so uncomfortable, cold (you'll struggle to get the cabin warm in winter unless it's a fairly new one) and with such bad road manners.
battered said:
You've said it yourself, they look cool. Most of my driving is in town or on motorways between cities. I suspect that goes for most of us, the times you get a winding country road with no cameras on it are rare events for most of us. On that basis something that looks the part makes perfect sense, after all you are generally under 30mph or in a straight line on the M whatever at (ahem) 70 officer.
I have to agree, for us it's an occasional car for when we take the dog or when the in laws stay and we need 7 seats. I love the look and feel of them it's all about character. We currently have a 2016 Range Rover Sport and as excellent as it is, it lacks that sense of occasion when driving it, dare I say it's boringly excellent. We will have other cars, I have a new Merc for work miles and we are changing to a Maserati Grancabrio, so it's not like we will have to drive it day in day out. What one person thinks is a pig to drive, another finds an 'interesting' drive. Having had the Range Rover for a year or so, it is excellent, but we need more space, plus we want to move away from boring and into interesting, We have always wanted a Landy, if we do find we don't like it, we certainly won't regret trying it, but I remember people saying the same to me years ago when I bought a 1989 TVR. It was bought, supposedly, while I looked for a good Griffith, but when I drove the Griff, it was so much better than the S in so many ways, quicker, more refined, BUT, it wasn't as much fun. So I ended up buying a V8S which I loved and I think the same will happen here with the Defender.
Fair enough! In which case knock yourself out! What is your budget?
This one looks perfect, the interior is already done!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
This one looks perfect, the interior is already done!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Timbuktu said:
Fair enough! In which case knock yourself out! What is your budget?
This one looks perfect, the interior is already done!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Wow that thing looks totally tasteless and horrid. If that's what you want, there really is no point getting a Defender tbh. This one looks perfect, the interior is already done!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
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