L405: buying one
Discussion
Take a look at the FFRR forum. There is a specific section on L405's.
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/
In summary, there are some known issues with pre-2015 L405 RR's, very few common problems with MY16 onwards. Make sure you buy one with a LR warranty because repairs can be very expensive.
There is a debate about whether the V6 or V8 diesel (around 30 MPG achieved by both in the real world) is preferrable so suggest you drive both because the choice is personal. Or you can choose the 5.0L V8 petrol but expect sub 20 MPG. My preference is the V8 diesel because it has active suspension (V6 doesn't because it's a lighter engine) flattening the ride around corners and it has 700NM to waft you along at a fair rate of knots in true RR style.
Specs are Vogue, Vogue SE or Autobiography. If buying second hand then the AB has pretty much every option as standard and isn't much more expensive than a used VSE. I particularly like the pre-heater for the winter (remote controlled) which is only standard on the AB.
Loads of colours and wheels to choose from. 22 inch look good but some report the ride is too firm. 21 inch is a good compromise and very comfortable unless looks are more important.
A low mileage 1 year old bought from LR is the sweet spot financially in my opinion. A new AB loses c.£20k in the first year! Things get a bit more reasonable after that in terms of depreciation but be under no illusion, they are expensive to own. Services range from c. £450 to c.£700 every year or 18k miles. And it's £200 a corner for tyres, although my last set lasted just over 25k miles.
I'm on my 4th FFRR and there's still nothing to beat them at what they do
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/
In summary, there are some known issues with pre-2015 L405 RR's, very few common problems with MY16 onwards. Make sure you buy one with a LR warranty because repairs can be very expensive.
There is a debate about whether the V6 or V8 diesel (around 30 MPG achieved by both in the real world) is preferrable so suggest you drive both because the choice is personal. Or you can choose the 5.0L V8 petrol but expect sub 20 MPG. My preference is the V8 diesel because it has active suspension (V6 doesn't because it's a lighter engine) flattening the ride around corners and it has 700NM to waft you along at a fair rate of knots in true RR style.
Specs are Vogue, Vogue SE or Autobiography. If buying second hand then the AB has pretty much every option as standard and isn't much more expensive than a used VSE. I particularly like the pre-heater for the winter (remote controlled) which is only standard on the AB.
Loads of colours and wheels to choose from. 22 inch look good but some report the ride is too firm. 21 inch is a good compromise and very comfortable unless looks are more important.
A low mileage 1 year old bought from LR is the sweet spot financially in my opinion. A new AB loses c.£20k in the first year! Things get a bit more reasonable after that in terms of depreciation but be under no illusion, they are expensive to own. Services range from c. £450 to c.£700 every year or 18k miles. And it's £200 a corner for tyres, although my last set lasted just over 25k miles.
I'm on my 4th FFRR and there's still nothing to beat them at what they do
Edited by Phil. on Saturday 6th May 09:07
In my experience and in my opinion only;
Look for a single front camera model as it will be the later stop/start that uses adblue. The centre console will have a phone symbol instead of physically saying 'phone'. The road tax is cheaper on these models and should represent a better buy than the very similar 2015MY car.
2017MY vs 2016MY from what I can gather is all down to the infotainment system. Having had experience of both, i prefer the 2016MY but the 2017MY does have some great improvements. Not worth the extra £ though and both systems are very clunky.
Go for 4.4 V8D as on a good run, low 40's mpg is very attainable....expect 26-28mpg normal running around.
Had 21's and 22's and very little difference. Yes the 22's are a touch more solid but are perfectly ok IMO.
My advice would be to stay away from 'unusual' colours like scotia grey or red interiors as they are real depreciating machines.
Nice additions are tow bar, deployable side steps and glass roof.
I assumed an autobiography model as these are very well specced as has been said.
HTH
Look for a single front camera model as it will be the later stop/start that uses adblue. The centre console will have a phone symbol instead of physically saying 'phone'. The road tax is cheaper on these models and should represent a better buy than the very similar 2015MY car.
2017MY vs 2016MY from what I can gather is all down to the infotainment system. Having had experience of both, i prefer the 2016MY but the 2017MY does have some great improvements. Not worth the extra £ though and both systems are very clunky.
Go for 4.4 V8D as on a good run, low 40's mpg is very attainable....expect 26-28mpg normal running around.
Had 21's and 22's and very little difference. Yes the 22's are a touch more solid but are perfectly ok IMO.
My advice would be to stay away from 'unusual' colours like scotia grey or red interiors as they are real depreciating machines.
Nice additions are tow bar, deployable side steps and glass roof.
I assumed an autobiography model as these are very well specced as has been said.
HTH
Riccardino said:
So the costs in owning are related to depreciation mainly?
Depreciation or when something goes wrong, unless its 100% covered by a LR warranty are the expensive bits. Don't be put off by adblue. Mine has it and it's a easy to top up when required and costs only a few quid to do so.
)Hi all I am also looking to buy a used l405 (apologies for hijacking the thread!). Been looking at approved used 2013 or 14 autobiography spec as like the idea of massage seats in addition to the other luxuries for around £60-65k with around 30-40k miles on clock. Questions I have is how easy is it to obtain a discount on these machines from approved dealer? And / or any experience of getting improvements to the approved used 2 years as part of negotiations? I.e. Is there experience in them chucking in another year?... thanks in advance for help
Careful! I sold my 2015 model due to numerous electrical gremlins.
The design negatives on mine (apart from electrical glitches) were the 22inch wheels (factory) were very soft, just small potholes warped them and the width meant I had a few door scrapes from other cars. Apart from that it was lovely.
As other users have said though, the early ones really were awful for issues. I have since found out it wasn't the design or assembly but the electrical suppliers changed from Taiwan to India and the procurement, quality control and inbound inspection process failed.
Interestingly enough I noticed the new Discovery 5 has exactly the same interior as my L405....
The design negatives on mine (apart from electrical glitches) were the 22inch wheels (factory) were very soft, just small potholes warped them and the width meant I had a few door scrapes from other cars. Apart from that it was lovely.
As other users have said though, the early ones really were awful for issues. I have since found out it wasn't the design or assembly but the electrical suppliers changed from Taiwan to India and the procurement, quality control and inbound inspection process failed.
Interestingly enough I noticed the new Discovery 5 has exactly the same interior as my L405....
Mines a 2015 AB and has had nothing go wrong - so there's no general issue but maybe the odd one with problems.
I agree with the 22s - very hard to keep them from picking up damage. Especially as the rim stops below the height of most kerbs! But they look great (IMHO) so it's just tough luck.
The boot space is a bit disappointing for a vehicle of this size I have to say.
Apart from that, a great car.
I agree with the 22s - very hard to keep them from picking up damage. Especially as the rim stops below the height of most kerbs! But they look great (IMHO) so it's just tough luck.
The boot space is a bit disappointing for a vehicle of this size I have to say.
Apart from that, a great car.
I have had a 2014 AB with the V8 Diesel engine for over two years and it's a great car. No real issues on the reliability front and it's a lovely car to drive. I can often get mpg in the late 30s and the engine is very punchy when you need it to be. Active ride was key for me as my kids do get travel sick - it's quite effective and the car doesn't roll nearly as much as my last Range Rover.
The AB spec is fantastic - top spec Meridian sound system, massage seats, fridge, cameras everywhere, radar cruise, glass roof, electric tow bar, heated and cooled seats.
My only frustration is that the car has suffered more parking bumps than other cars I've owned. It's very frustrating but I guess happens partly because it's so big.
The AB spec is fantastic - top spec Meridian sound system, massage seats, fridge, cameras everywhere, radar cruise, glass roof, electric tow bar, heated and cooled seats.
My only frustration is that the car has suffered more parking bumps than other cars I've owned. It's very frustrating but I guess happens partly because it's so big.
Couple of points from my experiences
Dealers can be pretty rubbish. Went to one as a serious buyer twice and they promised to call back. They didn't
I went for v8 SE. 65 plate cars should have ad blue but check. Very important for London etc where 15 plate and older will be caught by the emissions regs
I like SE or autobiography for the nicer trim - interior feels more special with some of the plastics upgraded to metal. Semi aniline leather and aircon seats proving useful now it's summer. Love the glass opening roof, though some prefer fixed
I was looking for a v6 then drove the v8 and preferred it for the noise and it's pretty quick
My car was ex demo with 5k miles. Car had squeaky brakes. They said they would improve, they didn't. Sent it back, they couldn't replicate. Sent it back again after a couple of months, Then they said it needed new discs but that as the covered by warranty. Wrote a long email complaining that they sold me the car like that etc etc to the salesman I bought from, never even got a reply. Brakes still squeal. That's the level of service on a 77k car
Colleague has had his serviced 5 times and every time there has been an issue. Same experience with my prior evoque. Service indicator still on after service 3 out of 4 times. Didn't stamp service book as couldn't find it. It was in the dedicated compartment in glove box...
Love the car. Dealers pretty incompetent. If anyone knows a good one in London region for service please let me know
Dealers can be pretty rubbish. Went to one as a serious buyer twice and they promised to call back. They didn't
I went for v8 SE. 65 plate cars should have ad blue but check. Very important for London etc where 15 plate and older will be caught by the emissions regs
I like SE or autobiography for the nicer trim - interior feels more special with some of the plastics upgraded to metal. Semi aniline leather and aircon seats proving useful now it's summer. Love the glass opening roof, though some prefer fixed
I was looking for a v6 then drove the v8 and preferred it for the noise and it's pretty quick
My car was ex demo with 5k miles. Car had squeaky brakes. They said they would improve, they didn't. Sent it back, they couldn't replicate. Sent it back again after a couple of months, Then they said it needed new discs but that as the covered by warranty. Wrote a long email complaining that they sold me the car like that etc etc to the salesman I bought from, never even got a reply. Brakes still squeal. That's the level of service on a 77k car
Colleague has had his serviced 5 times and every time there has been an issue. Same experience with my prior evoque. Service indicator still on after service 3 out of 4 times. Didn't stamp service book as couldn't find it. It was in the dedicated compartment in glove box...
Love the car. Dealers pretty incompetent. If anyone knows a good one in London region for service please let me know
I have 1yr and 17k miles in my v6 Vogue, the only issues are the DPF light popping on due to oil contamination (oil change under warranty) and occasionally my tailgate gets it's in a muddle. Very happy with the car, so much so I am considering buying it outright at the end of the PCP term, I cannot consider anything I would change it for. The only desirable option for me was the tow bar and surround cameras (for trailer work), I went with the base spec Vogue as it had everything I needed. Don't expect big discounts at the dealers, maybe on extras or free servicing....LR are not having a shortage of customers.
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