New Defender in the Wild
Discussion
“Key features” of the old Defender - what is this apparent list?
Maybe one should focus on outcomes rather than features.
- how deep can a standard old Defender wade?
- take a standard car to an motorsport event where a Bowler is the vehicle of choice - is a New Defender really going to be less good than the old version?
I don’t understand what a standard old Defender is good at that the new car is worse at?
Maybe one should focus on outcomes rather than features.
- how deep can a standard old Defender wade?
- take a standard car to an motorsport event where a Bowler is the vehicle of choice - is a New Defender really going to be less good than the old version?
I don’t understand what a standard old Defender is good at that the new car is worse at?
Crossflow Kid said:
...the name “Defender” is synonymous with a particular vehicle which is itself identifiable by certain key features.
This new vehicle has none of those...
The only people qualified to define the 'key features' are those who own the brand, NOT those who think they own the brand.This new vehicle has none of those...
What you think of as 'key features' is irrelevant, it's entirely Land Rover's choice.
But again, this is very much going over old ground and frankly boring...
...mate.
M
I grew up with a 2-door Range Rover in the household. I was being driven around a farm in an ex-army S1 Land Rover as a young kid. A friend had a S2 utility with a punchy 6-cyl conversion that was great fun. I like Land Rovers, but I have also seen how Toyotas are better, tougher, more reliable and cheaper off-road vehicles and have been so for the past, oh, 30-40 years!!!
The reality is that Land Rovers aren’t actually very good. Their ability is badly hampered by physically weak componentry and poor electrical / electronic reliability. And they are expensive.
Those are the reasons Uk farmers are overwhelmingly in Japanese pickups these days. It would have been decades ago but for import tariffs...
I don’t like setting all this out but the old Defender is hugely overrated. I love them, but they’re rubbish. The benchmark for a proper off-roader is the real landcruiser. The New Defender might just be a real competitor to the landcruiser if (if...) it can be reliable.
The reality is that Land Rovers aren’t actually very good. Their ability is badly hampered by physically weak componentry and poor electrical / electronic reliability. And they are expensive.
Those are the reasons Uk farmers are overwhelmingly in Japanese pickups these days. It would have been decades ago but for import tariffs...
I don’t like setting all this out but the old Defender is hugely overrated. I love them, but they’re rubbish. The benchmark for a proper off-roader is the real landcruiser. The New Defender might just be a real competitor to the landcruiser if (if...) it can be reliable.
Crossflow Kid said:
Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems
Simple enough for you? https://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/sandero/configura...I actually quite like it
Crossflow Kid said:
Raw simplicity?
Ah hang on, that’s a bit backward isn’t it? Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems. Silly me.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_1793Ah hang on, that’s a bit backward isn’t it? Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems. Silly me.
Better buy something that fits your criteria quickly then.
There’s changes coming soon and it sounds like you’ll not like them.
595Heaven said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Raw simplicity?
Ah hang on, that’s a bit backward isn’t it? Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems. Silly me.
Jeez. Are you still prattling on mate Ah hang on, that’s a bit backward isn’t it? Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems. Silly me.
Crossflow Kid said:
Raw simplicity?
Ah hang on, that’s a bit backward isn’t it? Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems. Silly me.
I sympathise - I own a Caterham and love old cars. But to be fair, you can turn all that stuff off and ignore it all. Regretfully, properly simple cars are not made any more and never will be again...Ah hang on, that’s a bit backward isn’t it? Not wanting a car laden with cameras, parking sensors and touch screen infononsense systems. Silly me.
I was looking at the Ninety and One-Ten on the configurator, the Ninety is tempting even at most basic of specifications.
The only query is that the rear seat is listed as being fixed - no use to me as this seriously limits versatility. Is this an incorrectly listed feature or is a folding rear bench part of a higher trim option? I would consider this a basic requirement of any vehicle of this type.
Trade-off is the number of improvements I could make to my Defender 110" for 1/4 the cost of a new one. No, it won't compete but better the devil you know until the early adopters have debugged the product.
The only query is that the rear seat is listed as being fixed - no use to me as this seriously limits versatility. Is this an incorrectly listed feature or is a folding rear bench part of a higher trim option? I would consider this a basic requirement of any vehicle of this type.
Trade-off is the number of improvements I could make to my Defender 110" for 1/4 the cost of a new one. No, it won't compete but better the devil you know until the early adopters have debugged the product.
100SRV said:
I was looking at the Ninety and One-Ten on the configurator, the Ninety is tempting even at most basic of specifications.
The only query is that the rear seat is listed as being fixed - no use to me as this seriously limits versatility. Is this an incorrectly listed feature or is a folding rear bench part of a higher trim option? I would consider this a basic requirement of any vehicle of this type.
Trade-off is the number of improvements I could make to my Defender 110" for 1/4 the cost of a new one. No, it won't compete but better the devil you know until the early adopters have debugged the product.
Not sure if any of the other trims have it as an option but LR have said that more 'functional' (my word not theirs) models are to follow so maybe one of those might have folding seats if not? Just a guess mind.The only query is that the rear seat is listed as being fixed - no use to me as this seriously limits versatility. Is this an incorrectly listed feature or is a folding rear bench part of a higher trim option? I would consider this a basic requirement of any vehicle of this type.
Trade-off is the number of improvements I could make to my Defender 110" for 1/4 the cost of a new one. No, it won't compete but better the devil you know until the early adopters have debugged the product.
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