What's the catch on this FFRR?
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Looking to buy a diesel V8 Vogue SE, don't need ULEZ so contemplating some pre 2016 cars. Found this one:
https://www.rangemotor.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover-...
It's a fair bit cheaper than anything else on the market, obviously there are a few scratches on the body work shown in the pictures, same on the interior but none of them are absolutely killer and I can live with them or fix them. Is it therefore just the gold colour and lack of turbine wheels that explain the price? I don't mind it at all but would appreciate input on the impact on resale value.
https://www.rangemotor.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover-...
It's a fair bit cheaper than anything else on the market, obviously there are a few scratches on the body work shown in the pictures, same on the interior but none of them are absolutely killer and I can live with them or fix them. Is it therefore just the gold colour and lack of turbine wheels that explain the price? I don't mind it at all but would appreciate input on the impact on resale value.
I think it's priced fairly for what it is. It's a very early L405, in an undesirable colour inside and out.
Garage looks a bit fly by night though. No indication of address, no landline numbers, poor grammar in the descriptions and this is the most expensive car they're selling. The majority are £10k cars.
Garage looks a bit fly by night though. No indication of address, no landline numbers, poor grammar in the descriptions and this is the most expensive car they're selling. The majority are £10k cars.
Very very early one - I have an L322 on a 62 plate which was one of the last of those.
Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
Shirt587 said:
Very very early one - I have an L322 on a 62 plate which was one of the last of those.
Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
You're thinking of the 'VX' prefix.Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
Cars for Engineering, R&D, etc... will end up in the crusher, due to the way they're registered with HMRC & type approval issues.
The OE/OY etc. aren't just limited to management cars, as it's where the lease company register the cars. FWIW - The LRE cars are supplied via the same route.
Either way, it's a very early car but one of the advantages of the early cars is they don't have Ad-Blue on the TDV8.
M
Edited by camel_landy on Sunday 6th June 23:29
Shirt587 said:
Very very early one - I have an L322 on a 62 plate which was one of the last of those.
Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
I'd agree with this! Been a while since my days there though... Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
camel_landy said:
Shirt587 said:
Very very early one - I have an L322 on a 62 plate which was one of the last of those.
Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
You're thinking of the 'VX' prefix.Something worth considering is that VE/VF plates are usually Coventry area. JLR registers all their internal fleet vehicles for engineering testing etc on that plate, rather than the historic OE/OY/OW/OX management cars. So potentially you’re looking at one which JLR had as a pre-production build, but you’d only know from registration date and paperwork with the vehicle (which from the reviews, probably is non-existent). If it IS one of those, it should give you comfort that most of the obvious weak points or manufacturing defects in any new vehicle launch will have got hammered out.
Cars for Engineering, R&D, etc... will end up in the crusher, due to the way they're registered with HMRC & type approval issues.
The OE/OY etc. aren't just limited to management cars, as it's where the lease company register the cars. FWIW - The LRE cars are supplied via the same route.
Either way, it's a very early car but one of the advantages of the early cars is they don't have Ad-Blue on the TDV8.
M
Edited by camel_landy on Sunday 6th June 23:29
The MOT & dealer reputation on the other hand....
Andeh1 said:
IIRC not all of them, some late build can be reworked to make saleble again. Then passed on as they approved used. I would hazard a guess this is such a vehicle. This wouldn't ring any alarm bells for me, if I was in the market for one tbh.
The only reworked 'late build' cars I'm aware of are essentially press launch vehicles. In the case of the L405, it was launched Sept 2012, press launch cars were registered Sept/Oct & were on 'VX' plates. I first had my hands on a non-engineering car Oct 2012.
This car was registered Jan 2013 and at that time, almost all build slots were given over to customer cars... It's an early customer car.
M
camel_landy said:
You're thinking of the 'VX' prefix.
Cars for Engineering, R&D, etc... will end up in the crusher, due to the way they're registered with HMRC & type approval issues.
The OE/OY etc. aren't just limited to management cars, as it's where the lease company register the cars. FWIW - The LRE cars are supplied via the same route.
Either way, it's a very early car but one of the advantages of the early cars is they don't have Ad-Blue on the TDV8.
M
Interesting point about ad blue on this age of Range Rover, was there a definitive date when they introduced ad blue, or did it vary with the model/engine.Cars for Engineering, R&D, etc... will end up in the crusher, due to the way they're registered with HMRC & type approval issues.
The OE/OY etc. aren't just limited to management cars, as it's where the lease company register the cars. FWIW - The LRE cars are supplied via the same route.
Either way, it's a very early car but one of the advantages of the early cars is they don't have Ad-Blue on the TDV8.
M
Edited by camel_landy on Sunday 6th June 23:29
cjb44 said:
Interesting point about ad blue on this age of Range Rover, was there a definitive date when they introduced ad blue, or did it vary with the model/engine.
There will be a specific chassis/VIN at which the cutover happened but I don't know what that is. I would suggest it would have been approx 18mths-2yrs into production as when the TDV8 appeared in the RRSport, it was only available with AdBlue.M
I had a 2015 TDV8 that didn’t need adblue.
I didn’t think they ever did?
Anyway I would test drive the car. Any hint of wobble or clonks during low speed turning or wheel wobble at any speed could mean a dodgy transfer box.
Look for signs of oil leaks in the engine, especially near the turbos.
Mine suffered all this and a bit more besides at 30k!
So this car could be a bit of a bargain or an opportunity to spend a lot more than £25k.
I didn’t think they ever did?
Anyway I would test drive the car. Any hint of wobble or clonks during low speed turning or wheel wobble at any speed could mean a dodgy transfer box.
Look for signs of oil leaks in the engine, especially near the turbos.
Mine suffered all this and a bit more besides at 30k!
So this car could be a bit of a bargain or an opportunity to spend a lot more than £25k.
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