Land Rover Defender which engine is best?

Land Rover Defender which engine is best?

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99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Hi. I'm thinking buying a Land Rover Defender(old shape) my youngest is obsessed with them, he has been badgering me to get one. I used to own Defenders previously, they were not particularly reliable particularly my second one!

Which engine be best to go for? I would only use it locally. Are defenders better now in terms of reliability?

Many thanks in advance

Philip

Red9zero

6,818 posts

57 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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300tdi of course biggrin
Reliability is relative laugh

Robert-q32ja

47 posts

51 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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07 to 2015 was a 4 cylinder diesel (2.4 & 2.2 litre ford unit used in transit etc) is pretty good but enjoys the higher revs.
1999-2006 was the five cylinder Td5 (2.5 litre volvo/ford unit) is excellent with lots of low torque where it is needed, but a little slow.
pre 1999 various 4 cylinder units and petrol v8s.

Biased recommendation (as I have one) is the Td5.

Ranger 6

7,049 posts

249 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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V8 of course.....

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maturin23

586 posts

222 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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TD5 with a remap is a great choice.

Nice 5 cylinder noise - sounds way better than the TDCi and really responds well to the remap.

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Ranger 6 said:
V8 of course.....

Gratuitous pic
That's a really nice Landy, is it the 3.5 or 3.9 ? What the fuel consumption like? smile

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Red9zero said:
300tdi of course biggrin
Reliability is relative laugh
I had a 200 tdi 90, and it went well, but I did use a LandRover with a 300 tdi and preferred it, the gearbox was better.smile

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Robert-q32ja said:
07 to 2015 was a 4 cylinder diesel (2.4 & 2.2 litre ford unit used in transit etc) is pretty good but enjoys the higher revs.
1999-2006 was the five cylinder Td5 (2.5 litre volvo/ford unit) is excellent with lots of low torque where it is needed, but a little slow.
pre 1999 various 4 cylinder units and petrol v8s.

Biased recommendation (as I have one) is the Td5.
Thanks. I did ride in a landrover recently with a td5 and I thought it went well but was very noisy,as he had a soft top on. smile

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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maturin23 said:
TD5 with a remap is a great choice.

Nice 5 cylinder noise - sounds way better than the TDCi and really responds well to the remap.
Interesting I didn't know the td5 can be remapped.smile

camel_landy

4,885 posts

183 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Depends what you want...

  • Bomb-proof reliability - 300TDi.
  • Acceptable motorway cruising - 2.4 TDCi
  • Good all-rounder - TD5
M

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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camel_landy said:
Depends what you want...

  • Bomb-proof reliability - 300TDi.
  • Acceptable motorway cruising - 2.4 TDCi
  • Good all-rounder - TD5
M
Thanks for info. I'll probably go for 300tdi, no dpf, my commute is only 2 miles each way. smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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Btw the Td5 is a Landrover design (from the BMW era) and shares nothing in common with the similar sized Volvo/Ford engine.

Any engine is ok, buy a Defender on condition and look really carefully at the chassis and bulkhead.

100SRV

2,129 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st June 2022
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300tdi, will give 32mpg if careful and good for 300,000 miles and more if regularly serviced.


Be sure to check that the fuel stop solenoid wire isn't rubbing the engine block (harness on RHS). An abysmal design and total lack of FMEA means the 0.5mm CSA wire is only protected by a 60amp Maxi fuse. If the fuse fails because the solenoid wire has shorted to the engine block the engine stops and you have no lights.

Edited by 100SRV on Wednesday 1st June 23:51

A.J.M

7,900 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd June 2022
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Td5.
Get it remapped and have a decent exhaust on it.
They have a very good exhaust note for a diesel.

Only egrs which have almost certainly been blanked by now, the oil up the loom can happen but likely will have been sorted by now.

Tdi models are nice but slow.
Tdci are very good, but expensive and may not like 2 mile runs. They do have a heater that actually works though whereas it’s an afterthought for the others.

Make sure you have good security as they are easily stolen or stripped for parts and also can use a toolkit as they are maintenance heavy at times so doing it yourself will save money over constantly using a garage for the work.

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Thursday 2nd June 2022
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A.J.M said:
Td5.
Get it remapped and have a decent exhaust on it.
They have a very good exhaust note for a diesel.

Only egrs which have almost certainly been blanked by now, the oil up the loom can happen but likely will have been sorted by now.

Tdi models are nice but slow.
Tdci are very good, but expensive and may not like 2 mile runs. They do have a heater that actually works though whereas it’s an afterthought for the others.

Make sure you have good security as they are easily stolen or stripped for parts and also can use a toolkit as they are maintenance heavy at times so doing it yourself will save money over constantly using a garage for the work.
Thank you. I have had defender stolen years ago a 200 tdi it was stolen twice, never saw it again. If I bought another one, I would fit a detachable steering wheel and pedal box cover. I'm not particularly mechanically minded but could probably do simpler jobs smile

99Chimaera

Original Poster:

324 posts

131 months

Thursday 2nd June 2022
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Newarch said:
Btw the Td5 is a Landrover design (from the BMW era) and shares nothing in common with the similar sized Volvo/Ford engine.

Any engine is ok, buy a Defender on condition and look really carefully at the chassis and bulkhead.
Thanks I'd probably get one with a galvanised chassis.smile

Griffithy

929 posts

276 months

Thursday 2nd June 2022
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A.J.M said:
Td5.
Get it remapped and have a decent exhaust on it.
They have a very good exhaust note for a diesel.
Can you recommend a decent exhaust or mod for a very good exhaust note, please?

LooneyTunes

6,830 posts

158 months

Friday 3rd June 2022
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99Chimaera said:
Thank you. I have had defender stolen years ago a 200 tdi it was stolen twice, never saw it again. If I bought another one, I would fit a detachable steering wheel and pedal box cover. I'm not particularly mechanically minded but could probably do simpler jobs smile
I’d add visible and invisible marking to that list. If you make all of the easily removable or high value bits traceable it won’t stop someone nicking it to go overseas but must make other vehicles more attractive for anyone wanting to steal to strip.

Retainagroup do a Land Rover specific kit, that includes enough to etch all of your glass, for about £40-50 (one time cost, no subscription) if you call them directly.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 3rd June 2022
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LooneyTunes said:
99Chimaera said:
Thank you. I have had defender stolen years ago a 200 tdi it was stolen twice, never saw it again. If I bought another one, I would fit a detachable steering wheel and pedal box cover. I'm not particularly mechanically minded but could probably do simpler jobs smile
I’d add visible and invisible marking to that list. If you make all of the easily removable or high value bits traceable it won’t stop someone nicking it to go overseas but must make other vehicles more attractive for anyone wanting to steal to strip.

Retainagroup do a Land Rover specific kit, that includes enough to etch all of your glass, for about £40-50 (one time cost, no subscription) if you call them directly.
I own a really old Landrover and am very fond of it, the main issue stopping me wanting a 90/110/Defender is the theft issue, even the bodywork is valuable, easy to remove and thus highly nickable.

Red9zero

6,818 posts

57 months

Friday 3rd June 2022
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Newarch said:
I own a really old Landrover and am very fond of it, the main issue stopping me wanting a 90/110/Defender is the theft issue, even the bodywork is valuable, easy to remove and thus highly nickable.
I have a soft top 90, so you can get into it by undoing a couple of knots. It lives in the garage, blocked in by another car and with cctv on it. I'm also very selective about where I park it. Sad state of affairs really.