New Defender? After thoughts and ownership details

New Defender? After thoughts and ownership details

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elise2000

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1,462 posts

218 months

Sunday 12th March 2023
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Hi all

I’m contemplating buying a newish defender 110. Probably 2020ish. Around the £60-£65k mark.

What are peoples thoughts about how these will depreciate? I’m assuming they will be more like the discovery etc than the old defenders that held their value very well.

Are there any owners out there who could detail ownsership experience please? Reliability/running costs etc

I’ve owned several defenders in the past, but they’ve all been older ones.

Many thanks

davidexige

481 posts

205 months

Sunday 12th March 2023
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I'd have a look over here, there's a section for the new L663 Defender that might be of use.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/

elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Sunday 12th March 2023
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davidexige said:
I'd have a look over here, there's a section for the new L663 Defender that might be of use.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/
Thanks will take a look

akadk

1,477 posts

178 months

Sunday 12th March 2023
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Wow

When these launched in 2020, a 2.0 diesel S was about £50k list


sam greenock

294 posts

119 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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elise2000 said:
Hi all

I’m contemplating buying a newish defender 110. Probably 2020ish. Around the £60-£65k mark.

What are peoples thoughts about how these will depreciate? I’m assuming they will be more like the discovery etc than the old defenders that held their value very well.

Are there any owners out there who could detail ownsership experience please? Reliability/running costs etc

I’ve owned several defenders in the past, but they’ve all been older ones.

Many thanks
We've just sold our 2020 Defender 110 240 HSE -it had 10500 miles
. We paid £62,200 for it when new and achieved £61870 for it a fortnight ago -its now up for £67500 at the garage who bought it

elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Monday 13th March 2023
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sam greenock said:
elise2000 said:
Hi all

I’m contemplating buying a newish defender 110. Probably 2020ish. Around the £60-£65k mark.

What are peoples thoughts about how these will depreciate? I’m assuming they will be more like the discovery etc than the old defenders that held their value very well.

Are there any owners out there who could detail ownsership experience please? Reliability/running costs etc

I’ve owned several defenders in the past, but they’ve all been older ones.

Many thanks
We've just sold our 2020 Defender 110 240 HSE -it had 10500 miles
. We paid £62,200 for it when new and achieved £61870 for it a fortnight ago -its now up for £67500 at the garage who bought it
Nice!

Alicat

224 posts

229 months

Tuesday 14th March 2023
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I had been a Land Rover supporter for over 30 years. However, after shocking experiences with my last 2 new vehicles I left the brand in 2016. The issues with the last vehicles were poor design, poor manufacture, and complacency from Land Rover and the dealer network. I tried several dealerships and gave up.

In 2021 i bought one of the new Defenders hoping things are changed. It has been sold.

It was a lovely vehicle to drive but nothing had changed. The assembly was poor and there were regular niggly problems. Fail to start until 3rd attempt, warning lights for 4wd system, telemetry failure, air suspension would play up (compressor running for no reason) etc.

Each time there was a problem it was a hassle to get the dealer to look at it. Even when Land Rover diagnosed the telemetry problem remotely the dealer wanted two days to change the telemetry unit. They had to do their own diagnosis and then order a unit from the factory.

A poor and shocking experience for a £70k vehicle.


elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Tuesday 14th March 2023
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Alicat said:
I had been a Land Rover supporter for over 30 years. However, after shocking experiences with my last 2 new vehicles I left the brand in 2016. The issues with the last vehicles were poor design, poor manufacture, and complacency from Land Rover and the dealer network. I tried several dealerships and gave up.

In 2021 i bought one of the new Defenders hoping things are changed. It has been sold.

It was a lovely vehicle to drive but nothing had changed. The assembly was poor and there were regular niggly problems. Fail to start until 3rd attempt, warning lights for 4wd system, telemetry failure, air suspension would play up (compressor running for no reason) etc.

Each time there was a problem it was a hassle to get the dealer to look at it. Even when Land Rover diagnosed the telemetry problem remotely the dealer wanted two days to change the telemetry unit. They had to do their own diagnosis and then order a unit from the factory.

A poor and shocking experience for a £70k vehicle.
Sorry to hear that

Magan

12 posts

110 months

Tuesday 14th March 2023
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Hi OP,

I have just sent you a PM.

Rufus Stone

6,064 posts

55 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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I've had a 90 for four months (the P400) and love it, although I don't trust it 100%.

Things I like:
The look.
The heated screen.
The automatic hold when I stop.
The cruise control toggle (lets me drive while eating a sausage & egg Mcmuffin).

Things I dislike:
The door rubbers creak (I have some lube for that though!).
It doesn't always start on first press of the button (doesn't even turn over).
MPG isn't great, I average 25.

elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Magan said:
Hi OP,

I have just sent you a PM.
Thanks for the offer, but want to buy from a main dealer. Sounds like a nice spec car though

elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Rufus Stone said:
I've had a 90 for four months (the P400) and love it, although I don't trust it 100%.

Things I like:
The look.
The heated screen.
The automatic hold when I stop.
The cruise control toggle (lets me drive while eating a sausage & egg Mcmuffin).

Things I dislike:
The door rubbers creak (I have some lube for that though!).
It doesn't always start on first press of the button (doesn't even turn over).
MPG isn't great, I average 25.
That’s a shame you don’t trust it. How old is the car? What mileage?

Going to test drive one next week so will see what we think then.

Wilmslowboy

4,188 posts

205 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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We owned a December 2020 first edition 110 7 seater since new (26 months) and done 32k miles.
It i the wife's daily car, driven in the rain, sun, and snow, as well as on a 3 week, 3k miles tour all over Europe.

Best car we owned, and it has been 100% reliable, beyond perhaps once having to restart the sat nav.

Goes in a couple of weeks, sold to a dealer (to be replaced by an ID Buzz).

The list price when it was new was about £68k (we got a big discount on the new), and we sold it for mid £50s.

Mikebentley

6,034 posts

139 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Had mine since May ‘22. It’s a D250 X Dynamic S with about £6k of extras. It’s been absolutely faultless. I chose this model because I wanted the smaller wheels and more tyre.

I wouldn’t personally touch a 4cyl diesel and they actually stopped selling them in Oct/Nov 2021 just as I ordered my 6 cyl car (make of that what you will). Previous car was an L494 Range Rover Sport. Wife loves it too and chose the colour.


Best option was the full length folding roof. Now fitted with gloss black steps and full size OEM Land Rover country mudflaps.

elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Wilmslowboy said:
We owned a December 2020 first edition 110 7 seater since new (26 months) and done 32k miles.
It i the wife's daily car, driven in the rain, sun, and snow, as well as on a 3 week, 3k miles tour all over Europe.

Best car we owned, and it has been 100% reliable, beyond perhaps once having to restart the sat nav.

Goes in a couple of weeks, sold to a dealer (to be replaced by an ID Buzz).

The list price when it was new was about £68k (we got a big discount on the new), and we sold it for mid £50s.
That’s really helpful thanks.

That’s what ours would be for- wife’s daily for local trips then the odd European trip of a few thousand miles

elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Mikebentley said:
Had mine since May ‘22. It’s a D250 X Dynamic S with about £6k of extras. It’s been absolutely faultless. I chose this model because I wanted the smaller wheels and more tyre.

I wouldn’t personally touch a 4cyl diesel and they actually stopped selling them in Oct/Nov 2021 just as I ordered my 6 cyl car (make of that what you will). Previous car was an L494 Range Rover Sport. Wife loves it too and chose the colour.


Best option was the full length folding roof. Now fitted with gloss black steps and full size OEM Land Rover country mudflaps.
Nice spec

We’ve decided we definitely want the panoramic roof and the d250.

Wilmslowboy

4,188 posts

205 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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We have a 4 cylinder, which worked fine for us, including when loaded up 400kg of wife (plus 2, daughters, 2 big dogs and luggage).




elise2000

Original Poster:

1,462 posts

218 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Wilmslowboy said:
We have a 4 cylinder, which worked fine for us, including when loaded up 400kg of wife (plus 2, daughters, 2 big dogs and luggage).



Nice pic

I won’t ask for a break down of the weight!

Mikebentley

6,034 posts

139 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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400kg ….strewth.

Rufus Stone

6,064 posts

55 months

Thursday 16th March 2023
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elise2000 said:
That’s a shame you don’t trust it. How old is the car? What mileage?

Going to test drive one next week so will see what we think then.
It's just one year old, 4000 miles.

It's just the starting that causes the lack of total trust. I worry one day it won't no matter how many times I press the button.

Dealer pic ...