Owen Jones

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MTech535

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613 posts

110 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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What a tt.

J4CKO

41,284 posts

199 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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Is that the guy arguing with the Sky presenters ?

It seemed a bit pointless arguing that it was specially a homophobic attack, obviously it was homophobic but to be honest, gay, straight, black, white etc etc, all sections of society have been affected by terrorism recently so not sure why he needed to labour that point, what happened was abhorrent, he seemed like he wanted to turn it into the LGBT community being persecuted, it was rock fans a few months ago, passengers at an airport after that.


Then he did a "Daffyd" and stomped out.

ThunderGuts

12,230 posts

193 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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I love JHB.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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Yes that's the one - he seemed to throw his toys out of the pram oddly and kind of insinuate it's impacting him more as if your not LGBT you don't understand... I'd say pretty much any sane person knows the horror that happened and is compassionate for all The needless loss of innocent life.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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After seeing headlines I watched the clip expecting to side with him, I was surprised to find he seemed to be frustrated and emotional. He didn't seem to even attempt to see the point that they were making.

IMO it wasn't directly an attack on the LGBT community, it was an attack on western values of which the attacker through the LGBT community were the worst of.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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His walkout has been mentioned in the American shootout thread.
I saw it and thought he came across as very emotional and plainly upset by it. I don't think for one minute he was faking his upset. I cant say I like the guy in fact I actively dislike him.
I think he was wrong to labour his point and did unfortunately come across as very self centred and rather spoilt.
I note he has used his newspaper column too highlight his actions and then say its not about him. I also note that Dianne Abbot has waded in attacking the female columnist who was on with Owen Jones.

If it led to us seeing a lot less of Mr Jones on TV I would be very happy.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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techiedave said:
...and did unfortunately come across as very self centred and rather spoilt.....
Owen Jones? I don't believe that at all. No way.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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StottyEvo said:
After seeing headlines I watched the clip expecting to side with him, I was surprised to find he seemed to be frustrated and emotional. He didn't seem to even attempt to see the point that they were making.

IMO it wasn't directly an attack on the LGBT community, it was an attack on western values of which the attacker through the LGBT community were the worst of.
A mass shooting in a well known gay club by a Muslim extremist isn't a direct attack against gays?
Ok. A mere coincidence then. As Jones quite rightly said, if someone slayed 50 people in a synagogue, do you think it wouldn't be classed as an anti-Semitic attack?
Sky presenters kept trying to persuade Jones that regardless of where the attack took place it was firstly an attack on humanity. Not quite sure they got the point.
Jones is annoying & petulant. Doesn't stop him from being correct in this instance.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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zygalski said:
Sky presenters kept trying to persuade Jones that regardless of where the attack took place it was firstly an attack on humanity. Not quite sure they got the point.
Jones is annoying & petulant. Doesn't stop him from being correct in this instance.
I think he was right that is was primarily an attack on gays. The problem was that he seemed to think that he was the only one with a right to an opinion and everyone else should shut up and allow him to pronounce his definitive judgement without argument. Then got into a strop when others dared to express a view.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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zygalski said:
A mass shooting in a well known gay club by a Muslim extremist isn't a direct attack against gays?
Ok. A mere coincidence then. As Jones quite rightly said, if someone slayed 50 people in a synagogue, do you think it wouldn't be classed as an anti-Semitic attack?
Sky presenters kept trying to persuade Jones that regardless of where the attack took place it was firstly an attack on humanity. Not quite sure they got the point.
Jones is annoying & petulant. Doesn't stop him from being correct in this instance.
End of the day his response was wrong. He did seem extremely upset - maybe we don't know he actually lost someone he knew which would explain it. Maybe he saw the attack on his own way of life as a gay man hence him not getting physically upset about say France, all the other US shootings, the primary school in Russia etc etc sadly far far too many innocent lives destroyed by lunatics.

I've never liked his style and personally I'd rather see people who are actually properly passionate about something but sadly the debate was in essence I'm right your wrong and now I'm getting into a strop.

ThunderGuts

12,230 posts

193 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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So it sounds like non-gays can't comment according to good old Owen.

Does that mean he can't comment on non-gay matters?

Has his leftist theology flipped on its head.


:Hehe:

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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zygalski said:
StottyEvo said:
After seeing headlines I watched the clip expecting to side with him, I was surprised to find he seemed to be frustrated and emotional. He didn't seem to even attempt to see the point that they were making.

IMO it wasn't directly an attack on the LGBT community, it was an attack on western values of which the attacker through the LGBT community were the worst of.
A mass shooting in a well known gay club by a Muslim extremist isn't a direct attack against gays?
Ok. A mere coincidence then. As Jones quite rightly said, if someone slayed 50 people in a synagogue, do you think it wouldn't be classed as an anti-Semitic attack?
Sky presenters kept trying to persuade Jones that regardless of where the attack took place it was firstly an attack on humanity. Not quite sure they got the point.
Jones is annoying & petulant. Doesn't stop him from being correct in this instance.
To further confuse matters, it was a mass shooting in a well known gay club by a gay muslim extremist (he was apparently a regular at the club).

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

162 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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zygalski said:
StottyEvo said:
After seeing headlines I watched the clip expecting to side with him, I was surprised to find he seemed to be frustrated and emotional. He didn't seem to even attempt to see the point that they were making.

IMO it wasn't directly an attack on the LGBT community, it was an attack on western values of which the attacker through the LGBT community were the worst of.
A mass shooting in a well known gay club by a Muslim extremist isn't a direct attack against gays?
Ok. A mere coincidence then. As Jones quite rightly said, if someone slayed 50 people in a synagogue, do you think it wouldn't be classed as an anti-Semitic attack?
Sky presenters kept trying to persuade Jones that regardless of where the attack took place it was firstly an attack on humanity. Not quite sure they got the point.
Jones is annoying & petulant. Doesn't stop him from being correct in this instance.
Nobody said it was a coincidence confused if you're an extremist muslim you probably hate western values, most of all homosexuality.

There's a middle ground between Owen Wilson and the Sky presenters opinions, somewhere in that middle ground is probably the correct answer.

iphonedyou

9,234 posts

156 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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ThunderGuts said:
I love JHB.
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johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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with the information available I took it to be a terror attack I never took into account who or what the people where. When I saw Jones getting agitated it seemed to me he was pissed because it wasn't being reported as a specifically homophobic attack (if it is the right description sorry if it isn't).
If the killer had not been exposed to the views he had it seems unlikely this would of happened.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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StottyEvo said:
Nobody said it was a coincidence confused if you're an extremist muslim you probably hate western values, most of all homosexuality.
I's say it was a close run thing between that, a JHB style woman (ie independent, mind of her own, educated etc etc) any woman who refuses to 'toe the line', alcohol and bacon.

I kind of get where the lefty idiot is coming from - it was a homophobic attack. However it was also an act of terrorism in the same way that the Paris attacks, Madrid attacks, London attacks, 9/11 were and for him not to see that is a big fail on his part

Mark Benson

7,498 posts

268 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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In student politics and on the hard left (much the same thing) your opinion isn't valid unless you're the most offended/hurt/oppressed of all the groups that could be hurt/offended/oppressed.

In oppression/phobia Top Trumps it goes something like Islam>LGBT>BAME>Disabled>Women>everyone else>Jews. The higher up the scale a spokesperson is, the more they feel the right to automatically have their views respected and heard. Content and delivery do not matter, in fact the more strident you are the more 'passionately' you feel about something.

Jones had a point. To begin with. Then he got all shouty and did that thing all the lefty panelists do, shaking his head and talking over people he didn't agree with. When the other two didn't capitulate or rise to the bait he stomped off in a huff, thus showing JUST HOW OFFENDED AND OPPRESSED HE WAS.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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You're joking. Just walking near a pig will get you labelled anti-Semitic nowadays.

ReallyReallyGood

1,620 posts

129 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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zygalski said:
As Jones quite rightly said, if someone slayed 50 people in a synagogue, do you think it wouldn't be classed as an anti-Semitic attack? Sky presenters kept trying to persuade Jones that regardless of where the attack took place it was firstly an attack on humanity. Not quite sure they got the point.
Agree.

Don't particularly like Owen Jones, but on this he was right to call them out. His fellow panelists failed to see his point, though perhaps he could have made it better.

SeeFive

8,280 posts

232 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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There was no argument to have. It was clearly a terrorist attack of some form on a venue known to hold a large gay community. Terrorist against humans, terrorist against gays, both valid assertions as the last time I looked gay people were also human.

His petulant, lefty, shouty, "my opinion is the only one that matters" approach to debating it simply lost any credibility for anything he was saying, whether it was right or wrong. The other woman was only slightly better, and the host was simply stirring the st.