Sound insulation, block out boiler noise?

Sound insulation, block out boiler noise?

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Andehh

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7,110 posts

206 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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We have the boiler above our ensuite, which is next to our bedroom. Quite often the boiler firing in the night wakes me up. I built a crude cabinet around it, but still hear the dull rumblings & it firing up.

It is a Worcester bosch system boiler, and to be fair is pretty quiet.

In tempted to try some fire proof sound deadened panels, the triangular kind, and sticking then on the inside of the cupboard. Trying to ensure full coverage.

Having only the simplest of knowledges of sound waves though, I'm not quite sure what I should be looking for to work best for the dull rumbling noises boiler gives out? Any suggestions?

Cheers guys

Paul Drawmer

4,878 posts

267 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Why is it firing up at night?

Vaud

50,446 posts

155 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Paul Drawmer said:
Why is it firing up at night?
Combi boilers fire up if the room thermostat asks them to?

nyt

1,807 posts

150 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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I think you need to switch it to 'economy mode' - otherwise it fires up periodically to heat a small reservoir of water so that you get hot water from the taps more quickly.

Should be a button on the front of the boiler

Vaud

50,446 posts

155 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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nyt said:
I think you need to switch it to 'economy mode' - otherwise it fires up periodically to heat a small reservoir of water so that you get hot water from the taps more quickly.

Should be a button on the front of the boiler
But if it is firing to heat the radiators?

Sheepshanks

32,747 posts

119 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Andehh said:
It is a Worcester bosch system boiler, and to be fair is pretty quiet.
It's probably more vibration than noise that you're picking up.

essayer

9,064 posts

194 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Sheepshanks said:
It's probably more vibration than noise that you're picking up.
Agree, the hum from the pump on ours seems to be carried through the brick wall and into floorboards etc

CoolHands

18,618 posts

195 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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If you can hear it as it’s mounted to the wall, I think you’re going to struggle to stop hearing it. As others say, why is it firing up? I wouldn’t want that anyway, at night.

Andehh

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7,110 posts

206 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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We have an evohome system, which controls all the rooms individually, my young sons room is set at 16 degrees, so on cold nights the evohome will keep the boiler firing up a few times to keep the room from dropping below that 16 degree minimum.

It is a mounted on the wall, which obviously is the same wall my head is next to. I feared it might be the vibrational.

Might have to continue living with it! Thanks guys

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Vaud said:
But if it is firing to heat the radiators?
Who has their heating on all night?

Douglas Quaid

2,282 posts

85 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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If you’re going to do it then get some heavy stuff. Mass blocks noise. Maybe some RW5 Rockwool, as thick as you can make it.

Gingerbread Man

9,171 posts

213 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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nyt said:
I think you need to switch it to 'economy mode' - otherwise it fires up periodically to heat a small reservoir of water so that you get hot water from the taps more quickly.

Should be a button on the front of the boiler
System boiler, not a combi boiler. Hot water cylinder provides the hot water.

It sounds like it is in the loft? Is it the frost stat turning the boiler on? Try one night with the heating set to off at night and see if it still fires up.

Maybe a small oil heater in your sons room overnight.


LordLoveLength

1,922 posts

130 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Andehh said:
In tempted to try some fire proof sound deadened panels, the triangular kind, and sticking then on the inside of the cupboard. Trying to ensure full coverage.

Having only the simplest of knowledges of sound waves though, I'm not quite sure what I should be looking for to work best for the dull rumbling noises boiler gives out? Any suggestions?

Cheers guys
The triangular panels will do zilch for you - they are designed to absorb sound reflecting within a room and thereby making it sound less lively in the room. They don’t stop sound transmission through the surface they are mounted on, and work at higher frequencies than the dull rumble you are trying to reduce anyway.

You need mass to stop lower frequencies. A couple of layers of acoustic plasterboard with overlapping joins, sealed with decent mastic will reduce air borne sounds significantly.

Transmission sounds through walls, joists, floors and pipes are harder to deal with - these will tend to be the sounds that rumble.
Your bedroom ceiling may be acting as a soundboard also. Some extra plasterboard in the floor space between the boiler and the bedroom will help - and making sure *all* the air gaps between the rooms are filled with sealer should make a huge difference.
Depending on the construction of the house, you may want to fill around the joist ends into the wall - these are often a good conduit between rooms. It may be easier to fill these with expanding foam.
You need things to be solid and airtight. Good luck!




Vaud

50,446 posts

155 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Who has their heating on all night?
I don't, but I have a house thermostat set for 15c, so on cold nights it will kick in a couple of times.

Mr Pointy

11,215 posts

159 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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OP: what you probably need to cut down transmitted noise is the boiler to be on anti-vibration mounts.

https://www.plumbcenter.co.uk/product/worcester-bo...

I wish I'd seen these before I had mine installed in the airing cupboard.



TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Vaud said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Who has their heating on all night?
I don't, but I have a house thermostat set for 15c, so on cold nights it will kick in a couple of times.
So you do - just at a lower temperature than the day.

scottdm3

151 posts

131 months

Sunday 5th November 2017
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Is it mounted directly n the wall or onto a board?

nyt

1,807 posts

150 months

Monday 6th November 2017
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Andehh said:
We have an evohome system, which controls all the rooms individually, my young sons room is set at 16 degrees, so on cold nights the evohome will keep the boiler firing up a few times to keep the room from dropping below that 16 degree minimum.

It is a mounted on the wall, which obviously is the same wall my head is next to. I feared it might be the vibrational.

Might have to continue living with it! Thanks guys
If it's just one room, might it be easier & cheaper just to put a thermostat controlled electric radiator in that room?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Futura-Electric-Radiator-...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Futura-Electric-Radiator-...


Andehh

Original Poster:

7,110 posts

206 months

Monday 6th November 2017
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Mr Pointy said:
OP: what you probably need to cut down transmitted noise is the boiler to be on anti-vibration mounts.

https://www.plumbcenter.co.uk/product/worcester-bo...

I wish I'd seen these before I had mine installed in the airing cupboard.
SOAB grumpy Damn, had I known about them before I had the damn thing hung on the wall!


Thanks for the suggestions guys. I am tempted to just set the room to warm up a few degrees in the middle of the night. Instead of itt turning on & off regularly, it would then just comes on, stay on for 20mins then coast until morning.




Al Murphy

291 posts

159 months

Monday 6th November 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Vaud said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Who has their heating on all night?
I don't, but I have a house thermostat set for 15c, so on cold nights it will kick in a couple of times.
So you do - just at a lower temperature than the day.
And when the room reaches that lower night time temperature?