Maximum legal speed in a van
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Just a bit of advice, to clarify my ignorance! Through the post this morning came a speeding fine. I was doing 71mph on A303, on a dual carriageway section. I was driving my Mercedes Vito Dualiner - seats in the back, side windows, no window in the rear door. The script states the speed limit of this vehicle is 60mph, as it’s a goods vehicle.
Can anyone just confirm that’s correct. At a toll bridge etc, it’s classed as a car, as has seats in the back.
I know I broke the limit, so not denying it, just didn’t realise the speed limit for this type of vehicle is 60mph.
Cheers
Can anyone just confirm that’s correct. At a toll bridge etc, it’s classed as a car, as has seats in the back.
I know I broke the limit, so not denying it, just didn’t realise the speed limit for this type of vehicle is 60mph.
Cheers
Brinyan said:
Just a bit of advice, to clarify my ignorance! Through the post this morning came a speeding fine. I was doing 71mph on A303, on a dual carriageway section. I was driving my Mercedes Vito Dualiner - seats in the back, side windows, no window in the rear door. The script states the speed limit of this vehicle is 60mph, as it’s a goods vehicle.
Can anyone just confirm that’s correct. At a toll bridge etc, it’s classed as a car, as has seats in the back.
I know I broke the limit, so not denying it, just didn’t realise the speed limit for this type of vehicle is 60mph.
Cheers
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/advice/2017...Can anyone just confirm that’s correct. At a toll bridge etc, it’s classed as a car, as has seats in the back.
I know I broke the limit, so not denying it, just didn’t realise the speed limit for this type of vehicle is 60mph.
Cheers
It isn't altogether straight forward. Is the van dual purpose?
Edited by OnaRoll on Wednesday 17th April 12:09
It depends on what it says on the V5. If the Dualiner is described as a "Light Commercial", as far as the law is concerned it is a van and subject to 60mph speed limits on dual carriageway and 50mph limit on single carriageway NSL roads.
If it is described and taxed as a "Passenger Car", even if it looks like a van with seats (e.g. Peugeot Traveller or Hyundai i800) it is subject to car speed limits.
The other similar one people get caught out with is twinncab pickups (Amarok etc) which are also commercial vehicles so subject to the lower limits, despite most being only used for car type duties.
If it is described and taxed as a "Passenger Car", even if it looks like a van with seats (e.g. Peugeot Traveller or Hyundai i800) it is subject to car speed limits.
The other similar one people get caught out with is twinncab pickups (Amarok etc) which are also commercial vehicles so subject to the lower limits, despite most being only used for car type duties.
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What is it registered as? (look on your V5)
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What is it registered as? (look on your V5)
Always been the same limits for vans.
50mph single carriageway, 60mph dual carriageway & 70mph motorway.
FYI, your vehicle is classified as a Goods Vehicle.
Another little note for all, car derived vans that have GVW >2000kgs will fall under the above limits (Combo, Partner, Transit Connect, Caddy et al)
50mph single carriageway, 60mph dual carriageway & 70mph motorway.
FYI, your vehicle is classified as a Goods Vehicle.
Another little note for all, car derived vans that have GVW >2000kgs will fall under the above limits (Combo, Partner, Transit Connect, Caddy et al)
Isn't the Dualiner constructed as a van, albeit yours has an extra row of seats ? If a van (and it certainly isn't car-derived), then lower limits apply.
Had it been fitted with a rear window, it would likely have passed as a 'dual-purpose' vehicle - these are not subject to special speed limits for their class.
Had it been fitted with a rear window, it would likely have passed as a 'dual-purpose' vehicle - these are not subject to special speed limits for their class.
It is all made very clear on both websites.
"Most vans:
have a lower speed limit than cars
must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars."
" ‘car-derived van’ means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes."
Vito Dualiner (min 2700kg) and nearly every small van I mentioned above must adhere to Goods vehicle limits
"Most vans:
have a lower speed limit than cars
must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars."
" ‘car-derived van’ means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes."
Vito Dualiner (min 2700kg) and nearly every small van I mentioned above must adhere to Goods vehicle limits
SkodaIan said:
It depends on what it says on the V5. If the Dualiner is described as a "Light Commercial", as far as the law is concerned it is a van and subject to 60mph speed limits on dual carriageway and 50mph limit on single carriageway NSL roads.
If it is described and taxed as a "Passenger Car", even if it looks like a van with seats (e.g. Peugeot Traveller or Hyundai i800) it is subject to car speed limits.
The other similar one people get caught out with is twinncab pickups (Amarok etc) which are also commercial vehicles so subject to the lower limits, despite most being only used for car type duties.
Your information on double cabs is incorrect. Although the Amarok and Ranger are subject to the lower limits, it’s because they both exceed the unladen weight for a dual purpose vehicle. Other double cabs are subjected to car speed limits.Ihave spoken to several police, traffic police and a camera van operator, and none had any idea of these upper weight limits.If it is described and taxed as a "Passenger Car", even if it looks like a van with seats (e.g. Peugeot Traveller or Hyundai i800) it is subject to car speed limits.
The other similar one people get caught out with is twinncab pickups (Amarok etc) which are also commercial vehicles so subject to the lower limits, despite most being only used for car type duties.
Reffro said:
It is all made very clear on both websites.
"Most vans:
have a lower speed limit than cars
must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars."
" ‘car-derived van’ means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes."
Vito Dualiner (min 2700kg) and nearly every small van I mentioned above must adhere to Goods vehicle limits
Can't really argue with that."Most vans:
have a lower speed limit than cars
must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
Vehicles under 2 tonnes laden (loaded) weight may qualify as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’. These vehicles have the same speed limits as cars."
" ‘car-derived van’ means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes."
Vito Dualiner (min 2700kg) and nearly every small van I mentioned above must adhere to Goods vehicle limits
normalbloke said:
Although the Amarok and Ranger are subject to the lower limits, it’s because they both exceed the unladen weight for a dual purpose vehicle.
What was the unladen weight of the Amarok at the time of the offence? Answer - they don't know not least because no two are necessarily the same due to spec and potentially could be altered.I have yet to find an Amarok owner who has been caught by this and let's be honest you never see them obeying the lower limit - mine included
surveyor said:
You have also been lucky to get away with car rates on toll bridges Most charge van rates where they exist for my transit dual cab,
I used to get charged van rates in my car derived Astra van at Dartford. Used to piss me off no end, plus I couldn't use the car only barriers on the right because of this. I got a dart tag at one stage thinking it may cure the problem but it didn't and I still had to queue through the manned booths, so I sent it back in disgust.
Willhire89 said:
normalbloke said:
Although the Amarok and Ranger are subject to the lower limits, it’s because they both exceed the unladen weight for a dual purpose vehicle.
What was the unladen weight of the Amarok at the time of the offence? Answer - they don't know not least because no two are necessarily the same due to spec and potentially could be altered.I have yet to find an Amarok owner who has been caught by this and let's be honest you never see them obeying the lower limit - mine included
It hasn't been a problem in the past and only stems from the MK6 Ranger (T6 facelift) post 2015 which pushes over the 2,040 kg weight limit in certain specs.
Of the current Ranger crop all of the double cabs and most of the super cabs are now overweight and lose their dual purpose exemption.
My Mk2 Ranger Super Cab weighs in at 1,800 kg.
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