SME with ill owner -advice please

SME with ill owner -advice please

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Turn7

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23,591 posts

221 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Have worked for a SME in a very tight segment for nearly 4 years now. Started on lowish wages with regualr uplifts due to gaining experience.

Currently now lead engineer, responsible for liasing with Ops manager and dishing out work and routings for 3 other engineers.

Very small firm, run by a very odd and paranoid character.

This chap was diagnosed with Leukemia of some sort in Jan.

He has pretty much only been in for about 12 days since then, and has nothing positive to say about anyone, despite us keeping the lights on all year.

We are now grinding to a halt as he sacked the sales rep very early on in the year.

The Ops manager can sell, but needs soemone manning the phones to allow him to visit clients.

This isnt happenig, and we are seriously runnign out of work......

Sales are below norm and IM concerned about the future...

Jump now or hang in there ?

mr_spock

3,341 posts

215 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Jump.

Vaud

50,418 posts

155 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Jump.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Is there opportunity here? If he has lost the fight, and you have the hunger, can you talk to the boss about a new role and something akin to stock options for success in things back on track?

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Monday 8th July 2019
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Buy the place.

NNH

1,517 posts

132 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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SpeckledJim said:
Buy the place.
I've just done exactly this. Everything I own, plus a very large mortgage, is going into buying part of the firm from the ailing owner. OP - if you head down this route, the trickiest bit may be to help the owner understand that you're not trying to cheat him out of all his hard work and investment, especially if he's a bit peevish.

The Moose

22,844 posts

209 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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SpeckledJim said:
Buy the place.
Agreed!

spikeyhead

17,298 posts

197 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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The Moose said:
SpeckledJim said:
Buy the place.
Agreed!
No, jump, along with the ops manager and ex sales manager and start afresh.

hyphen

26,262 posts

90 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Buy it, or get together and setup your own

Unless crazy owner is also brilliant and you still all lean on him.

DSLiverpool

14,733 posts

202 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Are clients repetitive or single hit ?
If rep then go for it, it’s how you can get started with a bit of s boost.

Turn7

Original Poster:

23,591 posts

221 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Its a service type business, and the bigger players are now taking on the lower end of the market as theyve saturated the upper end.

We cant compete with them on any level really.

I briefly thought about a buyout, but I know he would want crazy money for it.

I also think the market is shifting away from non branded - to brand names



Edited by Turn7 on Tuesday 9th July 20:30

mr_spock

3,341 posts

215 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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I think you've answered your own question.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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There are always niches which the big boys don’t bother with, in any industry.

You don’t need a buy out. Just performance related pay.


The Moose

22,844 posts

209 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Turn7 said:
I briefly thought about a buyout, but I know he would want crazy money for it.
Funny things happen with illnesses.

Frimley111R

15,615 posts

234 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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The Moose said:
Turn7 said:
I briefly thought about a buyout, but I know he would want crazy money for it.
Funny things happen with illnesses.
Yes, he'll either want to hang on to it despite his illness, want big money for it or will want to sell it on. Talk to him about his future plans. If he wants to hang on to it then potentially you lot can jump and start afresh. Without you lot there is no business but that sometimes still doesn't make an owner see that as the best course of action.

Talk to him and then make a decision...

Turn7

Original Poster:

23,591 posts

221 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Talking to won’t work
I think he is totally in denial about how ill he really is, plus he never tells us the truth about anything anyway.

To say he is very odd is a huge understatement.

NNH

1,517 posts

132 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Turn7 said:
Talking to won’t work
I think he is totally in denial about how ill he really is, plus he never tells us the truth about anything anyway.

To say he is very odd is a huge understatement.
Run. Don't look back. Good luck with the escape.

The Moose

22,844 posts

209 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Turn7 said:
Talking to won’t work
I think he is totally in denial about how ill he really is, plus he never tells us the truth about anything anyway.

To say he is very odd is a huge understatement.
Who knows! One things for sure - I’d you don’t talk to him, you won’t get anywhere!

My FIL bought a small business from a guy who was very ill. It took a while to make the deal happen, but eventually this other guy was left with the option of either taking the deal or basically chucking everything in the skip.

Having said that, as you describe him, I’m amazed anyone stays working there!

Turn7

Original Poster:

23,591 posts

221 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Above average salaries help....

No one ever wants to engage with him though,they all tend to try and avoid him if poss.

SpeedBash

2,324 posts

187 months

Tuesday 9th July 2019
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Turn7 said:
To say he is very odd is a huge understatement.
Intrigued. Examples please.