New driver and speeding. Revocation?

New driver and speeding. Revocation?

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surveyor

Original Poster:

17,807 posts

184 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Passed in April 2019

Stopped doing 102moh on motorway in UK

Likely outcome and is there any point in him instructing a specialist solicitor?

Cheers me dears

Solocle

3,268 posts

84 months

Saturday 11th July 2020
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Band C fine, 7 to 56 days disqualification OR six points.

Six points is going to mean an automatic license revocation and retest.

Durzel

12,254 posts

168 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Courts are minded to avoid “preferential bans” in lieu of points where said points would result in revocation.

I’d say he’s odds on at that speed for 6 points and automatic relocation by DVLA. Too fast for 3 points, too slow for a straight ban.

5 points would be possible but, again, they’d know - and perhaps think it prudent - that 6 would mean a reassessment of driving ability.

R0G

4,984 posts

155 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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surveyor said:
Passed in April 2019

Stopped doing 102moh on motorway in UK

Likely outcome and is there any point in him instructing a specialist solicitor?

Cheers me dears
Why did you choose to do such a speed is a more pertinent question for a new driver

singlecoil

33,504 posts

246 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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R0G said:
surveyor said:
Passed in April 2019

Stopped doing 102moh on motorway in UK

Likely outcome and is there any point in him instructing a specialist solicitor?

Cheers me dears
Why did you choose to do such a speed is a more pertinent question for a new driver
Questions about what happened in the past as never as pertinent as questions about what should happen in the future.

Phunk

1,974 posts

171 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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When I was a young and foolish 18 year old I got stopped doing 111mph on the M74 in Dumfries.

Went to court, 0 points, £200 fine and 3 months ban.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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singlecoil said:
Questions about what happened in the past as never as pertinent as questions about what should happen in the future.
I can't do anything about yesterday. I may be able to do something about tomorrow.

Fluid

1,726 posts

185 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Phunk said:
When I was a young and foolish 18 year old I got stopped doing 111mph on the M74 in Dumfries.

Went to court, 0 points, £200 fine and 3 months ban.
Was that pre or post June 1997?

Edited for wrong month.


Edited by Fluid on Sunday 12th July 08:42

Drawweight

2,876 posts

116 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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R0G said:
surveyor said:
Passed in April 2019

Stopped doing 102moh on motorway in UK

Likely outcome and is there any point in him instructing a specialist solicitor?

Cheers me dears
Why did you choose to do such a speed is a more pertinent question for a new driver
Because it wouldn’t go any faster? biggrin

surveyor

Original Poster:

17,807 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Drawweight said:
R0G said:
surveyor said:
Passed in April 2019

Stopped doing 102moh on motorway in UK

Likely outcome and is there any point in him instructing a specialist solicitor?

Cheers me dears
Why did you choose to do such a speed is a more pertinent question for a new driver
Because it wouldn’t go any faster? biggrin
The boy is an idiot.

He’s already had a course for speeding past a variable camera.

And it took him 8 goes to pass.

I refer back to my first line.

His dad is encouraging him to lie. About what I have no idea. To give him some credit he is point blank refusing to do that.

drmike37

459 posts

56 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Maybe his poor judgement is inherited?

wiliferus

4,060 posts

198 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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surveyor said:
The boy is an idiot.

He’s already had a course for speeding past a variable camera.

And it took him 8 goes to pass.

I refer back to my first line.

His dad is encouraging him to lie. About what I have no idea. To give him some credit he is point blank refusing to do that.
Lie about what? Say that he wasn’t driving? That’s about the only lie I can think of for this situation. Doesn’t work out overly well. Sounds like he’s lucky he has you as a voice of reason and sound judgement.
Just my two penneth, if he’s bang to rights little point in lawyering up. Attend court, look smart, be apologetic and remorseful. Take what’s coming and he can learn from it.
Will be interesting to see how the Mags deal with him. I shouldn’t imagine that sort of speed from a driver with 15 months experience will amuse them. OP Plse keep us updated with the outcome.

QBee

20,948 posts

144 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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34 years ago I got caught at over 100 mph on a motorway, and I was over 30 at the time.
Fine and a one month ban.

Best thing that ever happened to me - I was habitually driving far too fast and inevitably I would have had a serious accident some time soon, possibly fatal.
It slowed me down.



surveyor

Original Poster:

17,807 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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wiliferus said:
surveyor said:
The boy is an idiot.

He’s already had a course for speeding past a variable camera.

And it took him 8 goes to pass.

I refer back to my first line.

His dad is encouraging him to lie. About what I have no idea. To give him some credit he is point blank refusing to do that.
Lie about what? Say that he wasn’t driving? That’s about the only lie I can think of for this situation. Doesn’t work out overly well. Sounds like he’s lucky he has you as a voice of reason and sound judgement.
Just my two penneth, if he’s bang to rights little point in lawyering up. Attend court, look smart, be apologetic and remorseful. Take what’s coming and he can learn from it.
Will be interesting to see how the Mags deal with him. I shouldn’t imagine that sort of speed from a driver with 15 months experience will amuse them. OP Plse keep us updated with the outcome.
Apparently exaggerate how much he needs his car for work etc. I don’t think it would work anyway...

megaphone

10,710 posts

251 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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When he does eventually get his licence back, suggest a black box and appropriate insurance for a couple of years.

TimmyMallett

2,824 posts

112 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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drmike37 said:
Maybe his poor judgement is inherited?
Sounds like it. Dad sounds like a wicked role model.

If it's of any use, when I was in front of the magistrate with 6 points on my licence and facing another 6 (after the Clerk of the Court gave me a stern talking to for driving there) I did have some mitigating circumstances in that the road had very recently been reclassified from a 40 to a 30 and they didn't know this. I don't think you could argue that in this case. I had a lot of previous speeding offences in the past too (I think mostly SP30s bu there had been a lot staggered over years), so I couldn't really argue that I hadn't been silly in the past.

I don't think the fact the fact that he took 8 attempts is relevant, only that he's a slow learner. We all do stupid stuff but there's nothing really he can do to mitigate the impact.


Edited by TimmyMallett on Monday 13th July 09:09

Durzel

12,254 posts

168 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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He's odds on for 6 points, because it's in that band and the Mags know that 6 points = revocation for a new driver, and they have guidance that explicitly states that they should avoid discretionary bans in lieu of points in these circumstances.

Saying he needs his licence for work won't matter one jot because it's not the courts that are imposing a ban, it's the DVLA revoking his licence incidentally, and because of the aforementioned guidance.

zzrman

635 posts

189 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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surveyor said:
The boy is an idiot.

He’s already had a course for speeding past a variable camera.

And it took him 8 goes to pass.

I refer back to my first line.

His dad is encouraging him to lie. About what I have no idea. To give him some credit he is point blank refusing to do that.
To quote from Lillehammer "he's a retard on the retard bus going nowhere"

Pieman68

4,264 posts

234 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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Personal opinion if somebody has to have 8 goes to pass their test they shouldn't be allowed to drive - should have a max of 5 goes

As for then deciding to drive over the ton with very little experience - that's idiotic in the extreme, especially with one "get out of jail" card already played

Should be revoked and it wouldn't surprise me if they then take another 8 goes to pass their retest

Difficult call as to whether he is a DI's dream (bank balance) or worst nightmare (lack of spacial awareness and mechanical sympathy)

0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Monday 13th July 2020
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I was done at 101 a couple of years ago - 6 points and a big fine.