Corona - Annual leave - Spain & Others

Corona - Annual leave - Spain & Others

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russy01

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4,693 posts

181 months

Sunday 26th July 2020
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Not another corona thread...

With a lot of the COVID travel restrictions having been relaxed recently, some of the public have clearly decided to start going abroad.

I’m sure the people who booked Spanish holidays are now pretty pissed with the 2wk quarantine ruling - not to mention their employers who now have to lose their staff for further time after an already tough year.

You could view the quarantine in Spain as a sign of things to come, with other popular holiday destinations likely to follow at some point?

With this in mind would you fellow employers consider enforcing a mandatory week of quarantine on any trip outside the UK - with a view of being ahead of the curve to protect your business and its other staff.

We employ a range of staff from 20 somethings who fail to recognise COVID even exists and are probably already in Spain (who would kick off), through to the older ones who are terrified for the lives of their elderly parents (who will now be even more terrified).

Interested to see the various views. Please consider that in my business not everybody can WFH - thus if somebody in the premises gets it the whole place has to shut and everybody loses out.

Cheers.


Jasey_

4,864 posts

178 months

Sunday 26th July 2020
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If I were an employer I would actually consider paying employees for their remaining holidays in lieu of not taking them.

Mrs Jasey has been told they all have to take 60% of their holiday entitlement by October - and she's not back at work yet !!!


Jockman

17,917 posts

160 months

Sunday 26th July 2020
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You can’t buy statutory holidays. Only contractual.

GT03ROB

13,262 posts

221 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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russy01 said:
Not another corona thread...

With a lot of the COVID travel restrictions having been relaxed recently, some of the public have clearly decided to start going abroad.

I’m sure the people who booked Spanish holidays are now pretty pissed with the 2wk quarantine ruling - not to mention their employers who now have to lose their staff for further time after an already tough year.

You could view the quarantine in Spain as a sign of things to come, with other popular holiday destinations likely to follow at some point?

With this in mind would you fellow employers consider enforcing a mandatory week of quarantine on any trip outside the UK - with a view of being ahead of the curve to protect your business and its other staff.

We employ a range of staff from 20 somethings who fail to recognise COVID even exists and are probably already in Spain (who would kick off), through to the older ones who are terrified for the lives of their elderly parents (who will now be even more terrified).

Interested to see the various views. Please consider that in my business not everybody can WFH - thus if somebody in the premises gets it the whole place has to shut and everybody loses out.

Cheers.
I think anybody that books a holiday abroad for the forseeable future needs to do so on the basis that they should plan on a quarantine on return. The situation anywhere can change within a week. It's very clear that we are not in a stable or predictable situation. If your employees go overseas it needs to be on the understanding the risk when they return is all theirs. IE: if the rules change & you need to qurantine...... they take it as leave or unpaid.

As an employer no I would not enforce a weeks quarantine for anybody travelling from abroad. Many countries remain a lower risk than the UK, so it would be unreasonable & disproportianate.

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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This also raises the question of what peoples holiday entitlement is. Having been furloughed for 4 months do they loose 1/3rd of their entitlement.

clarkey

1,365 posts

284 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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Dixy said:
This also raises the question of what peoples holiday entitlement is. Having been furloughed for 4 months do they loose 1/3rd of their entitlement.
No, you still accrue holiday pay while on furlough.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,254 posts

235 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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Jasey_ said:
If I were an employer I would actually consider paying employees for their remaining holidays in lieu of not taking them.
I know it's needs must, but that's not exactly legal. (Unless of course you have a really generous holiday policy).

But, sometimes you just need to do what you need to do & deal with the fall out.

(that was always my style hehe)

Doofus

25,805 posts

173 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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All our staff are WFH, and will be for the rest of this year, at least.

Whether or not they're self-isolating is kind of irrelevant, because they can still do their jobs. smile

Dixy

2,921 posts

205 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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clarkey said:
No, you still accrue holiday pay while on furlough.
Do you have a source for this assertion.

Jasey_

4,864 posts

178 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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Dixy said:
clarkey said:
No, you still accrue holiday pay while on furlough.
Do you have a source for this assertion.
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/workers-on-temporary-leave-furlough


JapanRed

1,559 posts

111 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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Doofus said:
All our staff are WFH, and will be for the rest of this year, at least.

Whether or not they're self-isolating is kind of irrelevant, because they can still do their jobs. smile
This. If they can work from home it’s win win

russy01

Original Poster:

4,693 posts

181 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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JapanRed said:
This. If they can work from home it’s win win
This is the problem, we have people working from home - but the entire thing falls flat on its face if the people cant send goods from the warehouse!


Chrisgr31

13,474 posts

255 months

Monday 27th July 2020
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Jasey_ said:
Dixy said:
clarkey said:
No, you still accrue holiday pay while on furlough.
Do you have a source for this assertion.
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/workers-on-temporary-leave-furlough
If I understand the system correctly if they take holiday leave whilst on furlough they get full pay during those weeks.