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TheHeretic

73,668 posts

254 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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andy-xr said:
Anyone see the iOS6 Aussie 3 o clock glitch? Mildly amusing
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JD

2,769 posts

227 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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durbster said:
She was late because her new iPhone tried to take her to the south coast.
No, I think she was late due to being a moron... just as people who follow their sat-navs into lakes are.

Anyway, I have used the Navigation a few times now, and it really is very good, but totally let down by the lack of locations and POI's

The maps are very clear, as are directions, but having to google a postcode for somewhere that is a pretty big village takes the slickness right out!

andy-xr

13,204 posts

203 months

Tuesday 9th October 2012
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TheHeretic said:
andy-xr said:
Anyone see the iOS6 Aussie 3 o clock glitch? Mildly amusing
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Clocks going forwards or backwards, whichever it is down there, meant no 2am but 2 x 3's

sneijder

5,221 posts

233 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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thehawk said:
So I've seen a lot of criticism about Apple, surely TomTom must take much of the blame too? In my experience, and many others, their maps are rubbish, especially in the US.
I think it's more the way they dumped a perfectly good thing with Google maps, and decided everyone deserved their own tat.

I was in Helsinki, I wanted to find Helsinki West Harbour, not a chance.

I've not found any of the hotels I've stayed in recently.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

253 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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They cared more about ditching google than providing their customers with quality maps.

Frik

13,542 posts

242 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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I think actually they cared more about getting it launched when the new OS was launched, rather than when it was ready.

durbster

10,223 posts

221 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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JD said:
No, I think she was late due to being a moron... just as people who follow their sat-navs into lakes are.
She only took one wrong turn before realising something was amiss. That hardly makes her a moron.

The satnav on her old phone worked fine so her only fault was assuming the new one would be at least as competent.

furtive

4,498 posts

278 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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RobDickinson said:
They cared more about ditching google than providing their customers with quality maps.
Maybe Google ditched them. Or told them if they wanted to continue using their maps they had to agree to stop suing manufacturers using their phone OS

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Frik said:
I think actually they cared more about getting it launched when the new OS was launched, rather than when it was ready.
RobDickinson said:
They cared more about ditching google than providing their customers with quality maps.
It's not like they should care, they sold over 5mil iphone 5 in the first weekend so it's hardly affecting sales. They can solder the battery in, not allow external storage or usb mass storage, not put in NFC, restrict bluetooth functionality, close down the entire app ecosystem and be years behind on the competition with various technology (eg 4G/LTE), they still sell millions, so why should they care about their customers? hehe
furtive said:
Maybe Google ditched them. Or told them if they wanted to continue using their maps they had to agree to stop suing manufacturers using their phone OS
Whatever the reasons, reactions indicate that google wanted to continue to operate. Furthermore, they had a 5 year contract for the API, so they should have been able to anticipate this rather than release a half-arsed application with missing functionality like streetview.

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

244 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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TheHeretic said:
andy-xr said:
Anyone see the iOS6 Aussie 3 o clock glitch? Mildly amusing
?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/09/ios_6_alarms_bug/

CooperS

4,500 posts

218 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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ZesPak said:
Frik said:
I think actually they cared more about getting it launched when the new OS was launched, rather than when it was ready.
RobDickinson said:
They cared more about ditching google than providing their customers with quality maps.
It's not like they should care, they sold over 5mil iphone 5 in the first weekend so it's hardly affecting sales. They can solder the battery in, not allow external storage or usb mass storage, not put in NFC, restrict bluetooth functionality, close down the entire app ecosystem and be years behind on the competition with various technology (eg 4G/LTE), they still sell millions, so why should they care about their customers? hehe
furtive said:
Maybe Google ditched them. Or told them if they wanted to continue using their maps they had to agree to stop suing manufacturers using their phone OS
Whatever the reasons, reactions indicate that google wanted to continue to operate. Furthermore, they had a 5 year contract for the API, so they should have been able to anticipate this rather than release a half-arsed application with missing functionality like streetview.
I think unless Apple pull something out at the next run (a year away at most) alot of the blind faithful will start to be influenced by the glossy mags which report that Apple arent as great as it once was. Apple could be in trouble... of course in the near future they arent going to bomb like nokia or BB but alot of commentators seem to be far more vocal about Apples overal product problems than say a year ago....

Also i dont believe for one moment Google would of wanted to be pulled from Apple, think of all that data they collect and licencing revenue they must of had from Apple.

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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CooperS said:
I think unless Apple pull something out at the next run (a year away at most) alot of the blind faithful will start to be influenced by the glossy mags which report that Apple arent as great as it once was. Apple could be in trouble... of course in the near future they arent going to bomb like nokia or BB but alot of commentators seem to be far more vocal about Apples overal product problems than say a year ago....

Also i dont believe for one moment Google would of wanted to be pulled from Apple, think of all that data they collect and licencing revenue they must of had from Apple.
Agreed.

As for the last point, agreed again except for the licencing revenue. I think they'd made a maps-app instantly if they didn't have Android going the way it does. For almost every customer Apple loses because of the maps (or other missing functionality), it's one that Google "wins" on Android. I think Google are a bit spitful in the way that they're just not in a hurry to "fix" the cock-up Apple made with a map app of their own.

luke111s

847 posts

187 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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They are definitely losing their edge but I don't see that Android has more to offer than iOS (NFC aside) when it does catch up with UI.

Apple still have (by a distance) the best hardware, the best integration with their other products (iPad, iCloud, Mac), the best service (Apple Store) and best 3rd party support such as accessories, iPod docks, in car, etc. This is pretty specific to current Apple users of course.

Other than Siri the industry as a whole hasn't really had any major innovation since the iPhone 4 era, has it?

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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luke111s said:
They are definitely losing their edge but I don't see that Android has more to offer than iOS (NFC aside) when it does catch up with UI.

Apple still have (by a distance) the best hardware, the best integration with their other products (iPad, iCloud, Mac), the best service (Apple Store) and best 3rd party support such as accessories, iPod docks, in car, etc. This is pretty specific to current Apple users of course.
Don't want to start off this debate again, but this is all very "imho".
For example what it has to offer:
  • better, more real multitasking
  • more customisation
  • widgets
  • launchers
  • better google apps and google integration
  • loads of device choices
  • generally cheaper devices (even the very high-end ones)
  • much better integration between apps (love this on my Android over my iPhone!!)
  • expandable SD storage (most devices)
  • swappable battery (most devices)
  • charging/connecting with very universal cable
  • ...
There are a number of other things, this is just the tip of the iceberg, of course, you can say "I don't need that", just as you don't need NFC, or 4G, or a notifcations bar, or a bigger screen. A lot of users only seem to "need" them the moment Apple puts them in the next iPhone. Which is great for Apple of course.

As for the better integration, I do get that it integrates with iTunes nicely, but so does android, and with a whole lot of other apps. If you use Gmail for your calendar, mails and contacts, it really makes no difference if you have a Mac or another PC, if you have an iPhone or an Android.

The fact is, this argument can be reversed: what does the iPhone do that the competition doesn't? It's easy to make a list of the reverse, but what does it do rather than a non-measurable "it integrates better"? What does it integrate better?

I agree on the dock, I find the lack of bluetooth/micro-usb docks a bit of a bummer. I had to sell my dock when I sold my iPhone as it was useless (had a 3.5mm connector for other players, but who still uses that? hehe).

luke111s

847 posts

187 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Good point, maybe this needs a new thread hehe

I do agree with those points and I'm sure there are various Apple points and counterpoints to some extent; but in a more general sense both OSes have pretty much the same functionality now and it is/will be good when both are as good as eachother.

I miss when pretty much each new Nexus or Galaxy or iPhone release was quite exciting for me because of the major new features, I'm hoping the new Nexus brings something properly new to the table this year.

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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luke111s said:
I miss when pretty much each new Nexus or Galaxy or iPhone release was quite exciting for me because of the major new features, I'm hoping the new Nexus brings something properly new to the table this year.
Isn't it rumoured to be by LG? Curious, I always stayed away from LG as I found them a bit "budget". Other rumours tell us that Google is rounding up 3 or more manufacturers to each make a Nexus device in another segment (budget, mid-end, high-end?).

Anyway, like you I've followed all releases, and did like what Nokia had done (although I thought their presenter was pretty crap). Wireless charging for example looks like a very cool feature smile.

luke111s

847 posts

187 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Same feeling about LG and being budget, but hopefully theirs will be up to the standard of previous Nexus phones.

Allowing all manufactures to make a Nexus would be a great idea as there is too few 'pure Android' phones on the market.

I'd like to see HTC do a 4" Nexus, their latest WP8 handsets look really well done from the videos I have seen.

thehawk

9,335 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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And how many of you actually use NFC or need it on your phones?

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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thehawk said:
And how many of you actually use NFC or need it on your phones?
Need? Do you need Angry Birds? Do you actually need a browser? Bluetooth? Wifi?

These phones are not about what you need, it's about what's possible hehe. NFC has a promising future, and already some cool applications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1GFa1DO3

I don't know why you would try and "defend" not having NFC, why would you not have it? I mean, if you don't use it, ok, there are plenty of people not using the calendar on the iPhone, or the keyboard shortcuts, or the bluetooth, that means we should scrap it? hehe

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 10th October 14:21

PJ S

10,842 posts

226 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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At a guess, NFC is still in its infancy, and needs time to mature and find its feet in the marketplace.
Only when the BIG retailers take it up, will it start to gain any momentum.
On that basis, I can see why Apple decided it wasn't ready for them to embrace, and Nokia, etc have really nothing to lose, and everything to gain by being in at the ground floor with it.
Similarly the MEGApixel camera.