iOS 6 preview now on Apple website

[TheHeretic]

I don't know if it is patented. All I was saying was that before people go mental, they check first, (one poster said "go get 'em" or words to that effect).

Getting fed up of the whole thing.

[PPPPPP]

Apple = religion.
Android - another religion.


some differences, but so many similarities.

[Zod]

There's a place for this kind of endless argument, the Battlefront forum at arstechnica. The same people have been arguing about OSs there for years.

[TheHeretic]

Zod said:

There's a place for this kind of endless argument, the Battlefront forum at arstechnica. The same people have been arguing about OSs there for years.

I'm not interested in arguing OS's. If you like one over another, fine. Have at it. The inevitable iOS against android is always going to crop up on any apple thread. (I seldom see it on android threads).

[ApexJimi]

FFS enough!

Anyways, and more topically - I understand that Apple are withdrawing Google Maps from iOS 6, due to the inclusion of their own maps.

Would it still be possible to download the Google Maps app to the iphone?

[ZesPak]

ApexJimi said:

FFS enough!

Anyways, and more topically - I understand that Apple are withdrawing Google Maps from iOS 6, due to the inclusion of their own maps.

Would it still be possible to download the Google Maps app to the iphone?

This is actually rooted deeper afaik.

Look at the Youtube story for more clarity. Apple had a license to the google API's for 5 years, that license is over now so they could renew it or not use the API's themselves.
In essence this means that the Google Maps app and Youtube app could formerly be made by Apple, now they are made by Google.
There will be a Google Youtube app in the Appstore, and that's great as I always found the iOS one lacking to the one on Android in terms of functionality. For the maps, well, that's a different matter. If you take the Appstore policy literately, Apple could prevent Google easily from making a maps app, as it provides functionality provided by Apple themselves. However, as with many other apps, I'm guessing they won't go that far.

For the users then this doesn't change a lot, only that the Google Apps are made and provided by Google, and have to be downloaded after buying the phone, instead of having them pre-installed on purchase.

For Google, this changes nothing, only that they have to develop the iOS apps themselves without help of Apple (of course they will get help if needed I have no doubt).

For Apple, this has the impact that they have less "user tracking" through those Google Apps. The big advantage they had with the API was that they knew and could track what you were doing on maps, youtube,... just like Google does. With the Apps provided by google instead of through the API, this probably won't be true anymore.

[TheHeretic]

ApexJimi said:

FFS enough!

Anyways, and more topically - I understand that Apple are withdrawing Google Maps from iOS 6, due to the inclusion of their own maps.

Would it still be possible to download the Google Maps app to the iphone?

As far as I am aware, (I could be wrong), this move was sped up due to google shipping features on android, but not iOS, hence them developing their own. I would imagine that maps would be downloadable, (if they remove it at all, which I doubt very much). The apple maps will just be the default version, rather than the google version.

[ZesPak]

To add to my post:

http://allthingsd.com/20120806/why-is-apples-youtu...

Article said:

Our license to include the YouTube app in iOS has ended. Customers can use YouTube in the Safari browser and Google is working on a new YouTube app to be on the App Store.

It's only logical that maps is discontinued for the same reasons.

[xkrsupercharged]

What would I have liked to see -

The much rumoured touchless payment system as an alternate of carrying around credit/debit cards. I guess this could still work through an app or some sort?

I'd also have wanted the phone to be able to smell press a button and Siri would say "this smells like ste" or "this smells like Chicken Tikka Masala"!!

I'd have also wanted the touch screen to have a real feel of items displayed so we could be viewing a shirt on the Armani website and be able to feel what it actually feels like

Is that a lot to expect from a innovative company like Apple?

That would have been groundbreaking but am hoping it would be ready for iOS26...

[BenM77]

Android trolls in full force again

It will be the best selling phone once it is out and the mini iPad will sell like hot cakes fact.

[Mermaid]

BenM77 said:

... and the mini iPad will sell like hot cakes fact.

I think so too, but I expect this could affect maxi-Ipad sales..

[luke111s]

This thread is up

Anyway; pleased that Maps has been redone. iOS Maps was miles behind Android Maps so hopefully it has caught up.

[TheHeretic]

Mermaid said:

I think so too, but I expect this could affect maxi-Ipad sales..

Not sure about that. The burgeoning smaller tablet market is a niche of its own I think. It all depends on the price.

[Mermaid]

I have no doubt that Apple has thought of super niche they can fill, for me its a sat-nav device too.

[luke111s]

Mermaid said:

BenM77 said:

... and the mini iPad will sell like hot cakes fact.

I think so too, but I expect this could affect maxi-Ipad sales..

I don't think Apple mind if mini-iPad takes sales from maxi-iPad

I would imagine more sales overall with a small drop in maxi-iPad sales. I'm interested to see the price point.

[luke111s]

Mermaid said:

I have no doubt that Apple has thought of super niche they can fill, for me its a sat-nav device too.

Underwater iPad-sat-nav?

[BenM77]

I think with the latest iPad being as good as it is it is replacing a lot of laptops but at £399 is expensive for a light use web browser. This is where the mini iPad comes in and if the price is right it will effect android tablet sales in a big way IMO

[einstein75]

But would a price that is low enough to hit the android tablet market tempt users away from the regular ipad, so much so that it would erode a lot of profitabilty from the whole ipad (mini and regular) product line?

It'll be a fine line and not something that Apple usually do, which is to sell a premium product for a premium price.

[Stuart]

I've been running iOS6 for a couple of months now (or since the second beta came out at least, whenever that was). I'm by no means a hopeless Apple fanboy, and I also run a Galaxy S2 with ICS, which is a very nice OS.

I'm really liking OS6 though, even there aren't many features which break new ground. I do genuinely prefer it in daily running to Android, but that's perhaps because I've been using iOS for longer.

Things I really like about 6:

- Volume button as camera button. Nice this. Quite often smartphone cameras miss the moment because you're dicking about unlocking the screen, opening the app and then focussing/pressing the on screen button. It feels a bit more like you've got a compact camera in your pocket.

- Facebook integration is good, but the share button which sits on safari pages/within galleries/iTunes/wherever pulls up a really useful little screen with FB/Print/Twitter and a couple of other options.

- Native functionality access through safari is great. It means I don't need to use native apps if a website has a good mobile site, because native functionality (particularly camera) is more accessible. I'll prove this with the edit by accessing this post from my iPhone and uploading a screen grab of the share page using Safari. This'll make our forthcoming mobile site redesign easier and should mean that you can finally upload images to forums via mobile, or create an ad on a mobile using your camera phone.

- Redesigned music and iTunes interfaces are very slick. Particularly the transition from one to the other if it recognises music you've bought elsewhere (such as desktop iTunes) and is available on iCloud. Really nicely done.

I do really like using my S2, but iOS6 is a good job of iterating what is already, for me at least, the most user-friendly iOS out there.

Eta - pic uploaded via safari on iPhone.

Edited by Stuart on Wednesday 5th September 17:38

[Zod]

Stuart said:

- Volume button as camera button. Nice this. Quite often smartphone cameras miss the moment because you're dicking about unlocking the screen, opening the app and then focussing/pressing the on screen button. It feels a bit more like you've got a compact camera in your pocket.

That's been there since iOS 5 came out.