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Lucas Ayde

3,557 posts

168 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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I've also experienced the Echo (dot) dropping out when streaming music, with a bluetooth output enabled. It seems fine if I play on the internal speaker but that's not really suitable for listening to music so I haven't tested it extensively.

Basically, plays the music stream for a while but then just hangs with the echo becoming unresponsive, it just flashes a blue lights and 'bongs' whenever you try to give it a command. Seems to drop off the wifi network.

whoami

13,151 posts

240 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Lucas Ayde said:
I've also experienced the Echo (dot) dropping out when streaming music, with a bluetooth output enabled. It seems fine if I play on the internal speaker but that's not really suitable for listening to music so I haven't tested it extensively.

Basically, plays the music stream for a while but then just hangs with the echo becoming unresponsive, it just flashes a blue lights and 'bongs' whenever you try to give it a command. Seems to drop off the wifi network.
I'm experiencing this too.

Most annoying.

dxg

8,197 posts

260 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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whoami said:
Lucas Ayde said:
I've also experienced the Echo (dot) dropping out when streaming music, with a bluetooth output enabled. It seems fine if I play on the internal speaker but that's not really suitable for listening to music so I haven't tested it extensively.

Basically, plays the music stream for a while but then just hangs with the echo becoming unresponsive, it just flashes a blue lights and 'bongs' whenever you try to give it a command. Seems to drop off the wifi network.
I'm experiencing this too.

Most annoying.
Me too.

768

13,677 posts

96 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Had a quick look at modifying the Alexa app on Android this evening to see if I could get conversations and the drop in feature. Conversations was trivial and I think drop in should be possible. I've got the option to appear, it just thinks my devices are offline.


Watchman

6,391 posts

245 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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I'm not sure I fully understand the difference between conversations and drop-in. Can anyone explain please?

Also, the on-line articles suggest these features are now available but I can't see them. I have the latest version of the app according to the Google Play Store.

Zoon

6,701 posts

121 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Watchman said:
I'm not sure I fully understand the difference between conversations and drop-in. Can anyone explain please?

Also, the on-line articles suggest these features are now available but I can't see them. I have the latest version of the app according to the Google Play Store.
US only as far as I know, dictated by your amazon account signup location.

768

13,677 posts

96 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Watchman said:
I'm not sure I fully understand the difference between conversations and drop-in. Can anyone explain please?

Also, the on-line articles suggest these features are now available but I can't see them. I have the latest version of the app according to the Google Play Store.
Conversations is calling other people with Echo devices. Drop in is calling your own Echo devices like an intercom. There's an overlap between the two in terms of the code.

Only available for people with accounts associated with amazon.com purely by a switch in your Alexa app, it's disabled unless you modify the bytecode or I guess intercept wherever the VOX_TACHYON_NA feature value comes from, I'm assuming an Amazon service.

FWIW - inside the APK in classes.dex:com/amazon/dee/app/services/identity/UserIdentity.class there's this method:


public boolean isConversationsSupported();
Code:
0: aload_0
1: ldc #145 // String VOX_TACHYON_NA
3: invokevirtual #147 // Method hasFeature:(Ljava/lang/String;)Z
6: istore_1
7: getstatic #31 // Field TAG:Ljava/lang/String;
10: astore_3
11: iload_1
12: ifeq 38
15: ldc #103 // String yes
17: astore_2
18: aload_3
19: ldc #149 // String isConversationsSupported? : %s
21: iconst_1
22: anewarray #4 // class java/lang/Object
25: dup
26: iconst_0
27: aload_2
28: aastore
29: invokestatic #109 // Method java/lang/String.format:(Ljava/lang/String;[Ljava/lang/Object;)Ljava/lang/String;
32: invokestatic #115 // Method android/util/Log.i:(Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)I
35: pop
36: iload_1
37: ireturn
38: ldc #123 // String no
40: astore_2
41: goto 18


Change it to just return true (iconst_1, ireturn) with a bytecode editor. Patch the apk, resign and reinstall and you have conversations. I can't see any technical reason why they're not enabling this for everyone else and given the code's all there for it, I'm hopeful they'll release the feature to everyone.

Supersam83

606 posts

145 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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I bought an Amazon Echo and 2 Echo dots for my house on Prime Day.

Finally got round to setting them up.

Anybody have a quick list of the essential skills to download without reading through 48 pages of threads. Cheers.

I also have Hive active heating and am looking to connect to lighting around the house.

33q

1,555 posts

123 months

Friday 4th August 2017
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Just Bluetooth connected my iPhone to my echo.

Great for playing iTunes through a speaker without faff.


Watchman

6,391 posts

245 months

Wednesday 9th August 2017
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I'm getting there with the home automation. I've had LightwaveRF for a while switching my outside lights. Recently I've added a couple of LWRF sockets inside the house, and have them switching lights in my lounge. I've not been able to complete the switching of my ceiling lights yet - I need to add an additional cable run in the ceiling and wall from my ceiling light to the wall switch before this will work, although I have proved the solution works with a temporary cable hanging down in the lounge.

Alexa controls all of the LWRF stuff with very simple commands - "Alexa, turn off the drive lights". No need to reference the LightwaveRF brand at all (see "Harmony" below).

Apparently Sonos integration will happen this year but there's no further update (that I can find) that narrows down the date for this. I have 4 Sonos speakers around the house, so it will be great when this is integrated. I hope we will have access to our Deezer account through Alexa too.

HeatMiser have confirmed they have submitted a Skill to Amazon and have been asked in turn to rectify something small. They have resubmitted the Skill and have a notice on their forum that they expect it to be released this month. I really like the simplicity of the HeatMiser NeoStat installations. I have 2-zones (upstairs and downstairs). When the Skill goes live, I'll buy a 3rd for the water, then I can hard-wire the power to the Thermostats and do away with the timer box in the airing cupboard altogether.







We're having the kitchen replaced soon. The intention (yet to be confirmed) is to go for electric underfloor heating in that space. HeatMiser has a thermostat specifically to control this, so I'll buy one of those too when the time comes.

Alexa should be able to control all the heating with commands as simple as "Alexa, turn up the heating by 1-degree downstairs", or reference the kitchen, or heat the water up for 1-hour, etc.



I have a nice Samsung TV. I understand Logitech Harmony might be able to control it but I'm short of details. I *believe* it will utilise an IR blaster but I haven't yet found enough info to understand this fully, or what connections the Harmony hub needs. I don't want their remote controllers - I just want the phone apps and Alexa integration.

If anyone knows more about that... I'm all ears.

One thing I'm concerned about with Harmony is that people are saying you have to ask Alexa to "tell Harmony to turn to BBC1" or something, whereas the Americans can simply ask Alexa to "turn to BBC1" etc. There's a lot of criticism about this in the reviews, with Logitech refusing to even confirm if they will bring that more integrated function to the UK.


I disabled my house alarm a couple of months back. It started "creaking" at 3am one morning... one of those nice-and-hot days we had before the Summer returned to the predictable rain and cold. This "creaking" was evidently the way the alarm unit reacted to a failing battery. It was loud enough that I worried about it waking the neighbours, so my kids shone torches at me up a ladder at 3:15am while I "cut the blue wire" and gained even more respect for the bomb disposal experts in the world.

Since then, I've been planning what sort of house security replacement I want and I think I've nailed it. Audible alarms seldom (if ever) result in your neighbours investigating the source of the noise, even though it pisses everyone off within a mile radius. But to have no security seems a bit optimistic. I could easily recommission the alarm and replace the battery but I really don't think audible alarms have any practical purpose.

We bought a dog a year ago, and he's going to have to start staying at home for up to 4 hours a day (2 or 3 days/week) while my wife goes into work. She thought it might be nice to watch him with some sort of security camera - just to ensure he's happy. Made me think about what sort of house security I wanted (the dog is no deterrent - he looks more like a toy dog than anything). I thought the most useful security would be decent quality cameras, linked to the house lighting, so now we're investing in a few of the Netgear Arlos, and (if I can get it to work), I'll get the motion detection to switch on the LWRF lighting in the area immediately around the particular camera that detects motion. I suspect it might need a little IFTTT but that's never been difficult.

The lighting isn't strictly necessary for the Arlo system as that (apparently) has decent night vision but if you believe some sort of notification helps to prompt intruders to "fk the hell off", bright lights ought to do that job as well as the siren used to.


According to reviews, that new Echo Show seems to integrate nicely with the Arlo, and you are able to instruct Alexa to "show me the front door" on its screen but "Show" isn't in the UK yet so I wondered if there was a way to push the video feed from the Arlo system to the TV using Google Chromecast from the Arlo phone app, and the Echo Dot to initiate it all. Dot doesn't seem to have the Arlo Skill though... so that'll be something I experiment with when I break into my £2 coin collection in September and buy the first pack of 3 Arlos.


Lastly, I have bought myself a birthday present from my wife (yes, that's the way to get what you want). It's a battery operated speaker for the Echo Dot. It effectively turns the Dot into an Echo but allows for up to 6-hours on the battery. If we ever have any nice weather again, it means we can sit around the outside table when I BBQ for the family and bring Alexa outside with us. My WiFi is quite strong in that part of the garden, so this gets around one of the gripes I always had with the relative lack of portability in Sonos kit. I don't want loud music outside - just something in the background to make it all more friendly.



https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ninety7-Cordless-Speaker-...




Some sunshine would be nice.

Edited by Watchman on Thursday 10th August 00:43

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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To answer a couple of your questions:

Harmony is the best "cheap" AV controller I've tried, there is better stuff if you have ten times the money to spend on purcharsing an installation but at that price point Harmony is hard to beat. The actual Harmony connects over WiFi to your phone/Echo, but can use a mix of bluetooth or IR to control your other devices. The standard unit allows for two IR blasters (kit usually only contains one of them) to be connected to the base Harmony unit, which will also out put IR, giving you a max of 3 zones of IR. I have one zone for the TV (using the IR blaster), which is on top of a TV bench, then two other zones for two different cupboards of gear (one via the remaining IR blaster, the other via the base unit). This is enough for me to control a lot of devices.

If that isn't enough zones for you, you can point the Harmony IR output to something like these: https://www.keene.co.uk/infra-red/ir-distribution-... I used to use the Keene IR controler to control my Arcam amp via the 2.5mm jack on the back of the amp as the IR receiver on the Arcam was very difficult to line up with a blaster.

Controlling Harmony activities via Echo used to be a PITA and not what I recommend as the Harmony Echo integration is long winded. I recommend using a 3rd party amp like Yonomi as it gives you far greater control over what things are named and how things are triggered. For example, with Echo connected directly to Harmony I would need to say "echo, ask Harmony to, pause dvd", meaning I have to remember what device is active and which device I wanted to control. With Yonomi I could tell it to "pause downstairs tv" and it would pause anything as I would just send multiple pause commands for all my devices via the Yonomi activity. However as of last month the Harmony skill has been updated and now allows for context sensitive commands and can match Yonomi, but I have not tried this yet (as my Yonomi is working perfectly).

For security I would recommend IR cameras that are compatible with Echo (so can alert you with voice), zigabee so can set off interior alarms, and have some sort of web interface to show you visual and audio of the alert in real time. My preference is the Nest system as it just works but this is not cheap and there are other alternatives.

Watchman

6,391 posts

245 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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tankplanker said:
To answer a couple of your questions:

Harmony is the best "cheap" AV controller I've tried, there is better stuff if you have ten times the money to spend on purcharsing an installation but at that price point Harmony is hard to beat. The actual Harmony connects over WiFi to your phone/Echo, but can use a mix of bluetooth or IR to control your other devices.
Ah, thanks. So no need for a network cable connection back to my router. Good.

I really don't want to spend a lot on this sort of thing. I'm only "playing" with it really - a bit of fun with some arguable added convenience.

tankplanker said:
The standard unit allows for two IR blasters (kit usually only contains one of them) to be connected to the base Harmony unit, which will also out put IR, giving you a max of 3 zones of IR. I have one zone for the TV (using the IR blaster), which is on top of a TV bench, then two other zones for two different cupboards of gear (one via the remaining IR blaster, the other via the base unit). This is enough for me to control a lot of devices.

If that isn't enough zones for you, you can point the Harmony IR output to something like these: https://www.keene.co.uk/infra-red/ir-distribution-... I used to use the Keene IR controler to control my Arcam amp via the 2.5mm jack on the back of the amp as the IR receiver on the Arcam was very difficult to line up with a blaster.
Oh no, two will be plenty - in fact one might be. We only have Sonos for music now, and the TV "system" is comprised of the TV itself, a DVD player that rarely gets any use at all, and a satellite box for my wife's Polish TV viewing. They're all next to one another.

BUT, what I may prefer to do is to mount the Harmony hub on the opposite wall. I could "lose" it there, and not spoil the minimalist look of the TV cabinet. It would be about 12 feet away (max). Could you confirm this isn't a bad idea, please?

tankplanker said:
Controlling Harmony activities via Echo used to be a PITA and not what I recommend as the Harmony Echo integration is long winded. I recommend using a 3rd party amp like Yonomi as it gives you far greater control over what things are named and how things are triggered. For example, with Echo connected directly to Harmony I would need to say "echo, ask Harmony to, pause dvd", meaning I have to remember what device is active and which device I wanted to control. With Yonomi I could tell it to "pause downstairs tv" and it would pause anything as I would just send multiple pause commands for all my devices via the Yonomi activity. However as of last month the Harmony skill has been updated and now allows for context sensitive commands and can match Yonomi, but I have not tried this yet (as my Yonomi is working perfectly).
The forums and reviews discuss the UK "red" Harmony Skill vs the American "blue" Skill. I can only see the red one in my list of Skills which is why I was concerned. I am comfortable with middleware like Yonomi and IFTTT but I do prefer "native" connectivity if possible.

tankplanker said:
For security I would recommend IR cameras that are compatible with Echo (so can alert you with voice), zigabee so can set off interior alarms, and have some sort of web interface to show you visual and audio of the alert in real time. My preference is the Nest system as it just works but this is not cheap and there are other alternatives.
I have a couple of (admittedly, embarrassingly pathetic) reasons for not wanting Nest, so that system aside I have been looking at others. I live in an area without streetlights, so something with reasonable night vision is preferable, although I will endeavour to get the camera system to trigger lighting anyway.

Arlo seems to fit the bill in some ways but I'm "unconfirmed" in others. For example, the positives are:

  1. It has *some* Echo integration although that may only be with the Echo Show (as I can't find a Skill using the app connected to my pair of Echo Dots)
  2. It triggers itself to start recording when it senses movement
  3. I assume you get some sort of alert on your phone, as you described above. I think this is a reasonable assumption or I'd expect a number of negative comments to that effect in the reviews I've read - some are very detailed
  4. It records to the internet, and I *think* there's no on-going subscription (but I need to double check this)
  5. It is entirely wireless (well, the cameras are - I'm not worried about the hub box).
But, the negatives or unconfirmed items include:

  1. I don't know if you get Arlo to trigger anything "external" when it senses movement, like my LWRF lighting which I'd really like. I would imagine this would have to happen through IFTTT os Yonomi as I doubt there will be any native middleware between them
  2. I don't know if there's any Echo integration other than through the Echo Show, and if there is I'm not sure what I could expect from the functionality - or even what I'd actually want apart from asking Alexa to port the video from one of the cameras to the TV (if that is possible - see below)
  3. I don't know if my ambition to port the app through Chromecast to the TV is realistic (I've had a low success rate using Chromecast to date), or if there's an alternative possibility (could the Arlo hub output HDMI?.. for example).

At the end of the day I don't really *need* the TV for Arlo other than for a bit of fun. The phone app integration is absolutely the most useful but I'd like to know what's possible with the system before I buy it, and measure it against other systems just so I don't invest in something I regret later.


Anyway, thanks for your replies. Very helpful. thumbup

Watchman

6,391 posts

245 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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5-more mins of research have led me to the realisation that the Arlo Skill is only available in the US, although it appears to be compatible with all the Arlo devices (well, that's a bit confusing actually. The Amazon page contradicts itself - see below).

And the reviews are rather scathing. Apparently you cannot arm/disarm the Arlos by voice commands, and the Arlos cannot alert you through the Echo either.



The Arlos might be great but they are expensive and at that price you'd expect them to be fully Echo ready, and available with that Echo readiness in the UK.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M0VSEAZ?ie=UT...


Edited by Watchman on Thursday 10th August 12:17

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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If a normal remote works from that distance then the Harmony will, mine seems higher power than a normal remote so distance or even bouncing the signal off a wall *usually* works. I say usually as I had problems with my old Arcam amp even with the blaster aimed directly at the front, but then that was crap even with the official Arcam remote, hence why I used the dedicated socket on the back of the amp. My new amp does not have a problem.

I just use the normal UK skill, but with Yonomi, super reliable that way, but I would want to test the updated skill as it may work as well but miss out Yonomi. I'm not a fan of IFTTT, it is too slow for me as you are routing to an internet server rather than a local server.

Nest does have very good night vision, my street lights go off about 12 o'clock and don't come back on till about 6am so my cameras would be useless without it. Nest really does just work out of the box, I had mine up and running in about 20 minutes for three cameras. Anything else would require faffing, and anything with local storage is a pain. I would also be worried about security with the cheaper cameras as plenty of the Chinese ones might as well not have any security. A quick google will find you a bunch of sites showing other peoples cameras in action. redface

whoami

13,151 posts

240 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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The Nest Aware subscription charges are pretty steep though.

tankplanker

2,479 posts

279 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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whoami said:
The Nest Aware subscription charges are pretty steep though.
I completely agree, Nest is not a cheap option to buy or its £80 a year subscription, price is the main complaint against it.

Zoon

6,701 posts

121 months

Thursday 10th August 2017
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tankplanker said:
whoami said:
The Nest Aware subscription charges are pretty steep though.
I completely agree, Nest is not a cheap option to buy or its £80 a year subscription, price is the main complaint against it.
£6.66 a month isn't much for having all your footage stored remotely. It also tells you if a person is visible which is a great feature.

pmanson

13,382 posts

253 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Hi,

Anybody else with Hue / Echo been experiencing issues recently?

Alexa seems to be able to switch on lights as normal through a variety of commands but has suddenly started saying that Hue is not responding when I try to switch off the lights.

tedmus

1,885 posts

135 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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pmanson said:
Hi,

Anybody else with Hue / Echo been experiencing issues recently?

Alexa seems to be able to switch on lights as normal through a variety of commands but has suddenly started saying that Hue is not responding when I try to switch off the lights.
The last couple of days my lights have been coming on without being requested, I have no scenes set in Hue or actions in Yonomi.

Also my dot in the living started playing music without being asked the other day but not sure if it picked something up from the TV, nothing in the history on the app though, might have to try a reset.

Scott W

571 posts

243 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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pmanson said:
Hi,

Anybody else with Hue / Echo been experiencing issues recently?

Alexa seems to be able to switch on lights as normal through a variety of commands but has suddenly started saying that Hue is not responding when I try to switch off the lights.
Everything is working fine for me. Lights on/off/change colour/brightness up and down with no problems whatsoever.