Home CCTV ?

[motco]

Durzel said:

Mr Trophy said:

Spider webs are a complete pain in the cock!

+1

Any effective solutions besides separate IR?

Not Spiderex that's for sure. Nor mothballs either. A long feather duster and a daily walk works best.

[dmsims]

Durzel said:

+1

Any effective solutions besides separate IR?

Yes buy a turret camera

[Mr Apples]

davek_964 said:

ETA : my internal cameras cost ~£35 and look a bit like mini daleks.

Edited by davek_964 on Friday 18th November 10:58

That looks pretty good to me for £35.

[davek_964]

Mr Apples said:

davek_964 said:

ETA : my internal cameras cost ~£35 and look a bit like mini daleks.

Edited by davek_964 on Friday 18th November 10:58

That looks pretty good to me for £35.

Yep, they are far better than I expected them to be.

[juggsy]

Bit of a thread resurrection, but wondering what the latest recommendations are on home CCTV? Are network cams using PoE better than traditional BNC cables ones these days? I don't want wireless (I.e. Arlo) as I don't want to have to take them down and charge them periodically. For me, Nest can is overpriced and there are a couple of design flaws.

I'm thinking of a couple of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hikvision-DS-2CD2342WD-I-...

Thoughts/recommendations appreciated.

Edited by juggsy on Monday 18th September 22:06

[dci]

juggsy said:

Bit of a thread resurrection, but wondering what the latest recommendations are on home CCTV? Are network cams using PoE better than traditional BNC cables ones these days? I'm thinking of a couple of these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hikvision-DS-2CD2342WD-I-...

Thoughts/recommendations appreciated.

Seems a tad overpriced to me. Personally I would use cameras from the HD-Turbo range and run power and video over CAT5e via video baluns. Keep a small multi channel PSU local to the recorder and you have the same 'single cable' convinience as you would with IP cameras for much less cost.

These cameras: DS-2CE56F7T-VPIT @ £50-ish with a suitable recorder (should be about £180 with a 2TB drive) will offer all of the performance of the IP cameras for much lower cost.

[dmsims]

dci said:

These cameras: DS-2CE56F7T-VPIT @ £50-ish

Source ?

[juggsy]

dci said:

Seems a tad overpriced to me. Personally I would use cameras from the HD-Turbo range and run power and video over CAT5e via video baluns. Keep a small multi channel PSU local to the recorder and you have the same 'single cable' convinience as you would with IP cameras for much less cost.

These cameras: DS-2CE56F7T-VPIT @ £50-ish with a suitable recorder (should be about £180 with a 2TB drive) will offer all of the performance of the IP cameras for much lower cost.

Must admit I lose track of all these standards (TVI, HD-TVI, Turbo HD, AHD etc). Presume these still use a BNC connector? When I last installed a system I found these a pain to get through a hole, whereas an IP system means a slim network cable which can be crimped once fed through a hole would be easier.

So assume the main benefit of the one you suggest is price?

[dci]

dmsims said:

Source ?

First result on Amazon when that part number is entered into the search bar.

I would link it but I'm using a mobile device which keeps reverting to the app.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B06Y5JXP9N/ref=cm_sw_r...

Edited by dci on Tuesday 19th September 19:37

[dci]

juggsy said:

Must admit I lose track of all these standards (TVI, HD-TVI, Turbo HD, AHD etc). Presume these still use a BNC connector? When I last installed a system I found these a pain to get through a hole, whereas an IP system means a slim network cable which can be crimped once fed through a hole would be easier.

So assume the main benefit of the one you suggest is price?

Hikvision seem to change their range about nearly every quarter so it's hard to keep track. I sell the things and I struggle to keep up at times..

They would have a BNC connector yes but I would use CAT5e cable instead of coax and connect at both ends using video baluns.

Like this - http://www.hikvision.com/europe/Products_accessrie...

They are simple spring compression terminals which are in my opinion much easier to terminate than an RJ45 end.

They are cost effective which is a plus especially if you were only going to use CAT5e with an RJ45 on both ends anyway. IP really comes into its own when your connecting multiple cameras across a site wide network. Hikvision now make them up to 5MP which is all you should really need and more for a domestic camera system.

[juggsy]

dci said:

Hikvision seem to change their range about nearly every quarter so it's hard to keep track. I sell the things and I struggle to keep up at times..

They would have a BNC connector yes but I would use CAT5e cable instead of coax and connect at both ends using video baluns.

Like this - http://www.hikvision.com/europe/Products_accessrie...

They are simple spring compression terminals which are in my opinion much easier to terminate than an RJ45 end.

They are cost effective which is a plus especially if you were only going to use CAT5e with an RJ45 on both ends anyway. IP really comes into its own when your connecting multiple cameras across a site wide network. Hikvision now make them up to 5MP which is all you should really need and more for a domestic camera system.

Thanks dci, appreciate the advice. Didn’t know about the video baluns, will take a look!

[georgefreeman918]

Anyone use or have any thoughts on the Nest external cameras? I know the £8 a month, is annoying but any thoughts on the actual quality and usability of the setup?

[juggsy]

georgefreeman918 said:

Anyone use or have any thoughts on the Nest external cameras? I know the £8 a month, is annoying but any thoughts on the actual quality and usability of the setup?

Aside from the cost of the camera, and subscription which adds up with multiple cameras, the silly cable poking out of the bottom would bug me. It’s been widely critisized for this, seems like a mad design flaw when in most cameras the cable is hidden in the mount.

[dci]

juggsy said:

Thanks dci, appreciate the advice. Didn’t know about the video baluns, will take a look!

do
You seem pretty well informed anyway. If you need any further help then let me know!

[juggsy]

dci said:

do
You seem pretty well informed anyway. If you need any further help then let me know!

Appreciated! One quick question actually, any recommendations on a DVR (or NVR if going IP) with a decent app and functionality?

[juggsy]

Looks like Nest have a new outdoor cam out, still bloomin’ expensive and needs a subscription for facial recognition:

https://www.cnet.com/news/nests-next-product-the-n...

[dci]

juggsy said:

Appreciated! One quick question actually, any recommendations on a DVR (or NVR if going IP) with a decent app and functionality?

I keep banging the same drum but you really can't go wrong with Hikvision DVRs and NVRs. They are as are simple or complex as you want them to be, cheap, reliable and the app is great with no subscription to pay.

Hikvision are taking the CCTV world by storm and there's a very good reason for it!

A lot of the camera models are available in a WIFI format or are able to record straight to SD card.

I'll dig out a few part numbers if needed.

[ExV8]

davek_964 said:

That picture is from an outdoor camera mounted to the wall. I do have internal Vstarcams looking out of windows, but obviously IR has to be switched off so they don't show much at night unless there is other illumination. This is from one of them :



ETA : my internal cameras cost ~£35 and look a bit like mini daleks.

Edited by davek_964 on Friday 18th November 10:58

Just a query and not a point to prove, but how does this image square off with the DPA and ICO guidance on home cctv. The image ought to be within property boundaries or you need to explain why you need to capture further and be subject to SDA requests and thus register.

Only asking as I have blocked out areas collected not within my boundary.

[Magic919]

I think most people just ignore it. Whilst the Police are happy to take notice, I’d so the same.

[juggsy]

dci said:

I keep banging the same drum but you really can't go wrong with Hikvision DVRs and NVRs. They are as are simple or complex as you want them to be, cheap, reliable and the app is great with no subscription to pay.

Hikvision are taking the CCTV world by storm and there's a very good reason for it!

A lot of the camera models are available in a WIFI format or are able to record straight to SD card.

I'll dig out a few part numbers if needed.

Thanks DCI, Hikvision is where I’m looking, sometimes the apps can be a bit Mickey Mouse so glad to hear the Hikvision one is decent. If you have any P/Ns that’d be great! Appreciate your advice