IPhone 8 ?

[Brainpox]

jamoor said:

The phone doesn't have it!

One the one hand you have apple saying USB C is the future, on the other hand the best iphone yet doesn't even have it.

To fast charge it you have to buy a usb c charger and an adapter. It doesn't make sense.

Yes it does: $$$

[NDA]

Has any PH'er given us a review of the 8 yet?

[jamoor]

Brainpox said:

Yes it does: $$$

Oh, I never realised that they replaced the lightning ports with usb C ones.

My mistake!

[ZesPak]

Brainpox said:

Yes it does: $$$

I don't think it's that simple. They also fairly recently changed ports, and a lot of people buy into the "connector".
I know a couple of people who changed phones after they dropped the 30 pin and for them it was a bit "it doesn't matter, I have to change all my cables anyway".

Then they showed the lightning port, by a lot of measures a very good port then and still is now, changing it now could upset some loyal customers.

I find it annoying as now we have 3 chargers, we ditched the 30pin a couple of years ago luckily. But now we have Micro USB (older smartphones), USB C (new smartphones) and lightning port (iPhone). But if you have a purely iPhone household, you can do with only one. I'm very certain that changing ports would put a lot of people off upgrading.

[TheAngryDog]

ZesPak said:

I'm very certain that changing ports would put a lot of people off upgrading.

Unless they give a free adapter away with every phone? Though that would still be a bit annoying I think..

[Tycho]

TheAngryDog said:

ZesPak said:

I'm very certain that changing ports would put a lot of people off upgrading.

Unless they give a free adapter away with every phone? Though that would still be a bit annoying I think..

That would be a good thing IMO but don't forget that if you replace lightning with USB-C then Apple loose control of the connection and wouldn't get a cut of the dock market etc. It would be good for the customer going forward though to match the connections on the Macbook and iPhone.

[TheAngryDog]

Tycho said:

TheAngryDog said:

ZesPak said:

I'm very certain that changing ports would put a lot of people off upgrading.

Unless they give a free adapter away with every phone? Though that would still be a bit annoying I think..

That would be a good thing IMO but don't forget that if you replace lightning with USB-C then Apple loose control of the connection and wouldn't get a cut of the dock market etc. It would be good for the customer going forward though to match the connections on the Macbook and iPhone.

The other option would be a reduced price adapter maybe? But yes, I see your point, so I cannot see Apple doing anything like that.

[ashleyman]

I don't understand why they have TouchID on the latest MacBooks and they've removed it from the latest iPhones!

The cable situation is shocking and now extends to headphones too. Guess Apple won as I still spent £130 on wireless headphones when I got the iPhone 8 and Apple Watch 3.

Edited by ashleyman on Sunday 24th September 21:18

[Brainpox]

ashleyman said:

I don't understand why they have TouchID on the new MacBooks and they've removed it from the iPhones!

They haven't removed it from the iPhones. If you need TouchID then you can get the 8.

[ashleyman]

Brainpox said:

ashleyman said:

I don't understand why they have TouchID on the new MacBooks and they've removed it from the iPhones!

They haven't removed it from the iPhones. If you need TouchID then you can get the 8.

I've changed my post to add the word 'latest'. Hopefully that should help generate some serious answers.

[Brainpox]

ashleyman said:

I've changed my post to add the word 'latest'. Hopefully that should help generate some serious answers.

No one so far has managed to reliably get a fingerprint reader to work through a screen.

The alternative would be to put the reader on the back, but this would 1) not look 'Apple' and 2) be copying every other manufacturer out there.

I think Apple's ultimate goal is to have a phone that is literally just a screen - no buttons and no ports (wireless charging and bluetooth audio only).

Once someone works out how to read fingerprints through a screen, TouchID will be back.

[Dicky Knee]

Brainpox said:

No one so far has managed to reliably get a fingerprint reader to work through a screen.

The alternative would be to put the reader on the back, but this would 1) not look 'Apple' and 2) be copying every other manufacturer out there.

I think Apple's ultimate goal is to have a phone that is literally just a screen - no buttons and no ports (wireless charging and bluetooth audio only).

Once someone works out how to read fingerprints through a screen, TouchID will be back.

Sony have their fingerprint ID in the on/off button.

[Durzel]

Brainpox said:

Once someone works out how to read fingerprints through a screen, TouchID will be back.

Have you ever known Apple to reintroduce technology they've taken out?

They made quite a big fuss about the security improvements purportedly in FaceID, over TouchID. The idea that they're reintroduce it seems unlikely in that context.

[p1stonhead]

Durzel said:

Brainpox said:

Once someone works out how to read fingerprints through a screen, TouchID will be back.

Have you ever known Apple to reintroduce technology they've taken out?

They made quite a big fuss about the security improvements purportedly in FaceID, over TouchID. The idea that they're reintroduce it seems unlikely in that context.

no way they will bring it back given how they spoke about it being so much better (1:1,000,000 vs 1:50,000) than Touch ID.

They would look stupid saying 'we have brought back this inferior and less secure feature'.

Iphone 8 will be the last of Touch ID.

[otolith]

p1stonhead said:

The 7 is 95% of the X.

It's got a bigger screen than a 7+ in a smaller phone. It's a lot faster. But whether that matters at all depends on what you want it for - an original iphone is 100% of an X if you just make phone calls with it...

[p1stonhead]

otolith said:

p1stonhead said:

The 7 is 95% of the X.

It's got a bigger screen than a 7+ in a smaller phone. It's a lot faster. But whether that matters at all depends on what you want it for - an original iphone is 100% of an X if you just make phone calls with it...

A bigger screen obviously. But a lot faster?

At what? Is it even a noticable difference outside of a spreadsheet or graph?

I bet its not.

[ashleyman]

p1stonhead said:

A bigger screen obviously. But a lot faster?

At what? Is it even a noticable difference outside of a spreadsheet or graph?

I bet its not.

I went from a 6+ to an 8+ and the difference between the 2 is huge.

From simple things like unlocking the phone to loading up a web page the 8+ is much faster.

[silentbrown]

p1stonhead said:

They would look stupid saying 'we have brought back this inferior and less secure feature'.

Apple Pencil? Jobs:"If you see a stylus, they blew it"

Fingerprint sensors in general are unobtrusive and ergonomically feel "right", because they're similar to buttons that we know and love. FaceID is literally more "in your face", and I don't think the alleged security improvement will make any real-world difference. You've still only got a 1:10000 PIN as backup if you can't use FaceID.

[p1stonhead]

silentbrown said:

p1stonhead said:

They would look stupid saying 'we have brought back this inferior and less secure feature'.

Apple Pencil? Jobs:"If you see a stylus, they blew it"

Fingerprint sensors in general are unobtrusive and ergonomically feel "right", because they're similar to buttons that we know and love. FaceID is literally more "in your face", and I don't think the alleged security improvement will make any real-world difference. You've still only got a 1:10000 PIN as backup if you can't use FaceID.

Oh I agree, and its one of the reasons I wont be getting an X (other than the mental price).

As said before, my phone is unlocked before I even look at it due to putting my print on Touch ID on the way out of the pocket. Face ID cant be quicker.

[otolith]

p1stonhead said:

otolith said:

p1stonhead said:

The 7 is 95% of the X.

It's got a bigger screen than a 7+ in a smaller phone. It's a lot faster. But whether that matters at all depends on what you want it for - an original iphone is 100% of an X if you just make phone calls with it...

A bigger screen obviously. But a lot faster?

At what? Is it even a noticable difference outside of a spreadsheet or graph?

I bet its not.

That's what I mean by "depends on what you want it for". There will be apps for it which will run unacceptably slowly or not at all on a 7. I don't run anything on my 6s that needs so much processing power, but other people play games on them or edit video right on the phone.