Best place to buy Win 10
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Penelope Stoppedit said:
Until 31 December 2017. I've used an ebay key for Win7 after a problem with my laptop. It worked fine. I'd made a note of the key with the original installation but had made a mistake in reading or writing and the little sticker was all but indecipherable. £10 was convenient. It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user. Different countries, different strokes I believe.
It is a 'one use' option.
I cloned the clean installation of Win10 and keep that pristine. I also cloned a second, then swop HDDs every 8 months or so. That means that if I have a problem It doesn't take days to update Windows. I recently had a failure of an HDD. I was up an running within the hour.
It is a 'one use' option.
I cloned the clean installation of Win10 and keep that pristine. I also cloned a second, then swop HDDs every 8 months or so. That means that if I have a problem It doesn't take days to update Windows. I recently had a failure of an HDD. I was up an running within the hour.
Derek Smith said:
I cloned the clean installation of Win10 and keep that pristine. I also cloned a second, then swop HDDs every 8 months or so. That means that if I have a problem It doesn't take days to update Windows. I recently had a failure of an HDD. I was up an running within the hour.
How does that work then?Microsoft release a big update every six months, so when you swap drives you're going to be due at least one big update and 8 months of small updates.
And until it's all updated, your system is vulnerable to 8 months of security issues.
Sounds to me like you've doubled the number of updates you have to put up with.
On a more general note, I really don't get people's issues with updates. You have a third party giving you free updates to make your computer less vulnerable and people complain.
Don't see car manufacturers rolling out new locks to previous models as security flaws are found.
In terms of update interruptions, it's like having a car, you don't wait till your car runs out of fuel before refilling. You fill when convenient to you, based on your knowledge of upcoming journeys. If you have a long journey, you will fill up and check other fluids, tyre pressures etc.
Just apply this thinking to you PC. When you have a moment, or you're going out for lunch, check for updates, and reboot.
If you have a particularly busy time coming up, take ten minutes to again check for updates and apply, so you're not interrupted.
I think most peoples issues with the update system is how it forces itself upon you whenever it feels like it , even when running full-screen games or whatever, there's no common sense involved from the MS end. At least wait until the PC has been idle for 5 minutes or something.
For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.
For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 26th November 11:11
JimSuperSix said:
I think most peoples issues with the update system is how it forces itself upon you whenever it feels like it , even when running full-screen games or whatever, there's no common sense involved from the MS end. At least wait until the PC has been idle for 5 minutes or something.
For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.
Not really, it only forces itself on users when they have ignored update requests.For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.
Edited by JimSuperSix on Sunday 26th November 11:11
I've been on Windows 10 on 3 different home PC's and several work PC's and I've never had an update interrupt me. Simply because I update as I explained.
Keeping with cars, it's actually like you get multiple fuel warnings, ignore them, cos you're busy driving, then complaining your car has stopped when you had a really important meeting to attend.
mygoldfishbowl said:
^^ Have you had the "fall edition" (or something) update yet? If not you're soon to be interrupted, and if you're as lucky as me, with an older HP machine, you'll also get a new display driver that doesn't work.
Yep - "Fall creators update" already installed on all my boxes - no issues whatsoeverDerek Smith said:
It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user.
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.Order66 said:
Derek Smith said:
It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user.
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.Order66 said:
Derek Smith said:
It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user.
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.And what law would that be precisely?
Order66 said:
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.
I don't disagree at all but I suspect you're confusing the Ebay key with a genuine OEM license; you won't get an OEM license for £10.The cheap Ebay and similar keys are either recycled from old PCs, or MSDN licenses that are reused over and over. At the very best they are all rather grey legally and whilst Derek is probably correct that nobody is going to arrest him over them, there is a very real chance that Microsoft will deactivate the keys once they notice they're being reused outwith the terms of the license agreement.
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