Best place to buy Win 10

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jonm01

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817 posts

237 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Will be installing Parallels with Win 10 on a new iMac, where's the best place to get Win 10? There are a lot of sellers on Amazon selling keys for circa 10 pounds, are they legit?

colin79666

1,816 posts

113 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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If you have. Windows 7 or 8.1 retail key it still activates with a clean Windows 10 install. You can download media direct from Microsoft.

Otherwise I’d stear clear of dodgy keys on Amazon marketplace or eBay. A legit boxed copy is around £100.

Andehh

7,108 posts

206 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Meh, I'd still buy the £10 license from some where like amazon with their cast iron customer service in case I had any problems.

Download the content from Microsoft, burn to a USB stick & job done!

jonm01

Original Poster:

817 posts

237 months

Friday 24th November 2017
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Bought a Win 10 Pro license from an Amazon seller fo £8. It worked fine.

Penelope Stoppedit

11,209 posts

109 months

Teppic

7,344 posts

257 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
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Penelope Stoppedit said:
Until 31 December 2017.

jonm01

Original Poster:

817 posts

237 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
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Isn't that just for upgrading?

sgrimshaw

7,323 posts

250 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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jonm01 said:
Isn't that just for upgrading?
Yup

Derek Smith

45,613 posts

248 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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I've used an ebay key for Win7 after a problem with my laptop. It worked fine. I'd made a note of the key with the original installation but had made a mistake in reading or writing and the little sticker was all but indecipherable. £10 was convenient. It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user. Different countries, different strokes I believe.

It is a 'one use' option.

I cloned the clean installation of Win10 and keep that pristine. I also cloned a second, then swop HDDs every 8 months or so. That means that if I have a problem It doesn't take days to update Windows. I recently had a failure of an HDD. I was up an running within the hour.


Penelope Stoppedit

11,209 posts

109 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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jonm01 said:
Isn't that just for upgrading?
Yes and no, Google will reveal all

zippy3x

1,314 posts

267 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Derek Smith said:
I cloned the clean installation of Win10 and keep that pristine. I also cloned a second, then swop HDDs every 8 months or so. That means that if I have a problem It doesn't take days to update Windows. I recently had a failure of an HDD. I was up an running within the hour.
How does that work then?

Microsoft release a big update every six months, so when you swap drives you're going to be due at least one big update and 8 months of small updates.
And until it's all updated, your system is vulnerable to 8 months of security issues.

Sounds to me like you've doubled the number of updates you have to put up with.

On a more general note, I really don't get people's issues with updates. You have a third party giving you free updates to make your computer less vulnerable and people complain.
Don't see car manufacturers rolling out new locks to previous models as security flaws are found.

In terms of update interruptions, it's like having a car, you don't wait till your car runs out of fuel before refilling. You fill when convenient to you, based on your knowledge of upcoming journeys. If you have a long journey, you will fill up and check other fluids, tyre pressures etc.

Just apply this thinking to you PC. When you have a moment, or you're going out for lunch, check for updates, and reboot.
If you have a particularly busy time coming up, take ten minutes to again check for updates and apply, so you're not interrupted.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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I think most peoples issues with the update system is how it forces itself upon you whenever it feels like it , even when running full-screen games or whatever, there's no common sense involved from the MS end. At least wait until the PC has been idle for 5 minutes or something.

For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 26th November 11:11

zippy3x

1,314 posts

267 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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JimSuperSix said:
I think most peoples issues with the update system is how it forces itself upon you whenever it feels like it , even when running full-screen games or whatever, there's no common sense involved from the MS end. At least wait until the PC has been idle for 5 minutes or something.

For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.

Edited by JimSuperSix on Sunday 26th November 11:11
Not really, it only forces itself on users when they have ignored update requests.
I've been on Windows 10 on 3 different home PC's and several work PC's and I've never had an update interrupt me. Simply because I update as I explained.

Keeping with cars, it's actually like you get multiple fuel warnings, ignore them, cos you're busy driving, then complaining your car has stopped when you had a really important meeting to attend.

mygoldfishbowl

3,697 posts

143 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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^^ Have you had the "fall edition" (or something) update yet? If not you're soon to be interrupted, and if you're as lucky as me, with an older HP machine, you'll also get a new display driver that doesn't work.

zippy3x

1,314 posts

267 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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mygoldfishbowl said:
^^ Have you had the "fall edition" (or something) update yet? If not you're soon to be interrupted, and if you're as lucky as me, with an older HP machine, you'll also get a new display driver that doesn't work.
Yep - "Fall creators update" already installed on all my boxes - no issues whatsoever

Order66

6,728 posts

249 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Derek Smith said:
It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user.
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.

Penelope Stoppedit

11,209 posts

109 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Order66 said:
Derek Smith said:
It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user.
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.
Thank you for verifying this, I couldn't work out how it could be legal but now am more knowledgeable as to why it is illegal

Derek Smith

45,613 posts

248 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Order66 said:
Derek Smith said:
It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user.
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.
I'll tell her. Thank you for the information.

And what law would that be precisely?




deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Order66 said:
It absolutely is illegal "as such". Unless you fulfill the terms of the OEM System Builder license (i.e. installed on a newly built PC which is then resold to someone else as the first user) the license is no more legal than a pirated one. If conflicting information genuinely came from a lawyer then they are simply incorrect.
I don't disagree at all but I suspect you're confusing the Ebay key with a genuine OEM license; you won't get an OEM license for £10.

The cheap Ebay and similar keys are either recycled from old PCs, or MSDN licenses that are reused over and over. At the very best they are all rather grey legally and whilst Derek is probably correct that nobody is going to arrest him over them, there is a very real chance that Microsoft will deactivate the keys once they notice they're being reused outwith the terms of the license agreement.

Order66

6,728 posts

249 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
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Derek Smith said:
And what law would that be precisely?
Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988