City Of Barcelona Will Soon Be Using Linux

City Of Barcelona Will Soon Be Using Linux

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Penelope Stoppedit

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11,209 posts

108 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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https://itsfoss.com/barcelona-open-source/

Will more follow and if so will Microsoft need to make big changes to its OS in an attempt to bing customers back to them?

randlemarcus

13,507 posts

230 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Is their EA up for negotiation then? That's usually what sparks this garbage...

dcb

5,834 posts

264 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Penelope Stoppedit said:
https://itsfoss.com/barcelona-open-source/

Will more follow and if so will Microsoft need to make big changes to its OS in an attempt to bing customers back to them?
Good to see them using a gradual approach. It gives time for user acceptance
and time for bugs to be ironed out.

Somewhat different to the Bavarian idea of writing their own bespoke version of Linux
and doing it all at once.



randlemarcus

13,507 posts

230 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Not wholly convinced that 12 months is gradual, but opinions vary.

Sheepshanks

32,531 posts

118 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to do the same here over the years?

Edited by Sheepshanks on Friday 12th January 15:45

Penelope Stoppedit

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11,209 posts

108 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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dcb said:
Good to see them using a gradual approach. It gives time for user acceptance
and time for bugs to be ironed out.

Somewhat different to the Bavarian idea of writing their own bespoke version of Linux
and doing it all at once.
I have just been reading about Germany and their going back to Windows, I knew nothing about this
Here is a list of Linux adopters but it is very likely behind the times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopte...

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

80 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Sheepshanks said:
Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to of the same here over the years?
Not to this extent no. I know that Parliament passed a motion that called for all digital word documents to be in the Open Document Format. But Microsoft started crying about it and appealed.

Plus, with the NHS, they're never given the right amount of money to do it properly and they never appoint the right people to do it. No matter how much Crapita protests.

Penelope Stoppedit

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11,209 posts

108 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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sgtBerbatov said:
Sheepshanks said:
Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to of the same here over the years?
Not to this extent no. I know that Parliament passed a motion that called for all digital word documents to be in the Open Document Format. But Microsoft started crying about it and appealed.

Plus, with the NHS, they're never given the right amount of money to do it properly and they never appoint the right people to do it. No matter how much Crapita protests.
Surely it is a must for the NHS to be using Linux, the management could then take more money out of the pool

randlemarcus

13,507 posts

230 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Open source is not free software. Folks still want to complain to someone and those people cost money. Users want well written software, with good UX.

In some cases, open source support can cost more than MS stuff.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

80 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Penelope Stoppedit said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Sheepshanks said:
Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to of the same here over the years?
Not to this extent no. I know that Parliament passed a motion that called for all digital word documents to be in the Open Document Format. But Microsoft started crying about it and appealed.

Plus, with the NHS, they're never given the right amount of money to do it properly and they never appoint the right people to do it. No matter how much Crapita protests.
Surely it is a must for the NHS to be using Linux, the management could then take more money out of the pool
Well you would think that, especially with all the Windows XP machines the organisation is running.

But a lot of their systems run on ActiveX poisoned pages, and it's expensive software that the developer might not want to port to Linux. Yes Linux has WINE and can run near enough everything but there's also the stability question which can cause problems, and to top it all off the training for the end users.

My mother in law is a nurse and she's useless with technology. God help the tech support who have to deal with her, after I had to explain Facebook to her.

Penelope Stoppedit

Original Poster:

11,209 posts

108 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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sgtBerbatov said:
Penelope Stoppedit said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Sheepshanks said:
Haven't various councils and NHS Trusts tried to of the same here over the years?
Not to this extent no. I know that Parliament passed a motion that called for all digital word documents to be in the Open Document Format. But Microsoft started crying about it and appealed.

Plus, with the NHS, they're never given the right amount of money to do it properly and they never appoint the right people to do it. No matter how much Crapita protests.
Surely it is a must for the NHS to be using Linux, the management could then take more money out of the pool
Well you would think that, especially with all the Windows XP machines the organisation is running.

But a lot of their systems run on ActiveX poisoned pages, and it's expensive software that the developer might not want to port to Linux. Yes Linux has WINE and can run near enough everything but there's also the stability question which can cause problems, and to top it all off the training for the end users.

My mother in law is a nurse and she's useless with technology. God help the tech support who have to deal with her, after I had to explain Facebook to her.
Mmmm nothings straight forward

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Lol.

Barcelona has quite big public debt and they're angling for a price-cut from Microsoft thumbup

Ynox

1,702 posts

178 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Isn't Munich moving back from Linux to Windows?

I love Linux (particular soft spot for RHEL/Centos - although I run a Mac for both home and work other than servers), but for day to day stuff I really can't help but feel it's complete false economy to run anything but Windows for the average office environment!

Andy-SP2

271 posts

75 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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I've only ever used it in a home environment but it's very interesting...

I sometimes get called on to recover data from MS hard drives... A windows machine may not recognise them but Ubuntu often does the trick.

buggalugs

9,243 posts

236 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Ynox said:
Isn't Munich moving back from Linux to Windows?

I love Linux (particular soft spot for RHEL/Centos - although I run a Mac for both home and work other than servers), but for day to day stuff I really can't help but feel it's complete false economy to run anything but Windows for the average office environment.
They are, the chap who championed the project has gone now and others are swaying things in a different direction.

Can you imagine if Microsoft did Office 365 for Linux? There’s a reason they don’t! Sad fact is they’re dominant and they’re going to make sure that that doesn’t happen.

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

80 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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buggalugs said:
Ynox said:
Isn't Munich moving back from Linux to Windows?

I love Linux (particular soft spot for RHEL/Centos - although I run a Mac for both home and work other than servers), but for day to day stuff I really can't help but feel it's complete false economy to run anything but Windows for the average office environment.
They are, the chap who championed the project has gone now and others are swaying things in a different direction.

Can you imagine if Microsoft did Office 365 for Linux? There’s a reason they don’t! Sad fact is they’re dominant and they’re going to make sure that that doesn’t happen.
Office 365, in the browser at least, works really well on Linux.

As for Munich, they have a massive budget and money to burn. Thats really the only reason they're moving back to Microsoft. With Barcelona I think there's a real economic advantage/carrot to get Linux installed and to make it a success.

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Here on the continent (Netherlands, Germany) this exercise has been tried several times in various level of government.
And this is almost without exception the takeaway from it:
Ynox said:
.., but for day to day stuff I really can't help but feel it's complete false economy to run anything but Windows for the average office environment!
I love linux and I've pushed it to some people over windows about a decade ago, but I woudn't want to spend that effort again.
Of course, you should always look at the alternatives, even if it is just to negotiate some discounts.

grumbledoak

31,500 posts

232 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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So, 2018 will be the year of Linux on the desktop. Finally!

hehe

randlemarcus

13,507 posts

230 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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buggalugs said:
They are, the chap who championed the project has gone now and others are swaying things in a different direction.

Can you imagine if Microsoft did Office 365 for Linux? There’s a reason they don’t! Sad fact is they’re dominant and they’re going to make sure that that doesn’t happen.
You may get be surprised at the new Microsoft. I suspect you won't get an Office for every distro, but I could see them giving it a crack for the biggies. If you can run Linux in Azure...

Seriously, you can always use the Online versions on a Tier One browser, and I believe there are ways of running the fat client apps under Wine.

GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

156 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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randlemarcus said:
buggalugs said:
They are, the chap who championed the project has gone now and others are swaying things in a different direction.

Can you imagine if Microsoft did Office 365 for Linux? There’s a reason they don’t! Sad fact is they’re dominant and they’re going to make sure that that doesn’t happen.
You may get be surprised at the new Microsoft. I suspect you won't get an Office for every distro, but I could see them giving it a crack for the biggies. If you can run Linux in Azure...

Seriously, you can always use the Online versions on a Tier One browser, and I believe there are ways of running the fat client apps under Wine.
Well they do most stuff for OSX these days so while OSX does not equal linux it's a close enough cousin to suggest they aren't a million miles away from achieving the same in Linux.

Only stopper is demand I suspect, given OSX is pretty common among development circles even in enterprise environments the desire to actually move that step further onto Linux maybe be a blocker.

RE the "new microsoft" I've recently started using VScode and that's available for all 3 OS, great bit of software imo and unusually so for the company involved given I use Skype for Business and that's a pile of steaming poop biggrin